Double dip at receiver?

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

Disagree. What if BPA is a QB?  What if it’s a CB three years in a row?  It’s a flawed system. You identify areas of need and then take BPA based on that board. 

To me you evaluate the draft as a whole and get the best collection of talent. Some would call it value based drafting. You can draft for need but doesn't mean always taking the BPA as you need to look at the board as a whole picture not just each round as they come up.

[DapperCam]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

What is the issue with this team right now?  What about last year in the playoffs?  That’s right…offensive weapons. You can spin it all you want, but WR is the biggest need. It just is. 

You are confusing the needs of the team this season and the needs of the team next season. We are losing half our defensive starters to retirement, injury and FA is my prediction. That is going to be the biggest need. We've been fairly fortunate to have stable starters on the defense the past 3-4 years or so (remarkably so), but that is all coming to an end now.

[whorlnut]

Just now, DapperCam said:

You are confusing the needs of the team this season and the needs of the team next season. We are losing half our defensive starters to retirement, injury and FA is my prediction. That is going to be the biggest need. We've been fairly fortunate to have stable starters on the defense the past 3-4 years or so (remarkably so), but that is all coming to an end now.

Disagree

[The Jokeman]

7 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

You seem a lot older than that. My point is that this is a new NFL. It’s a passing league. We have a franchise qb and you don’t wanna get him the best WR possible?  You would rather take an edge?  We tried that in 21 with two straight picks in 1 and 2, which pretty much inspired this entire thread. Not to mention we took one in 2 the year before. Other than the Diggs trade, the earliest asset Beane has used on a wr has been a 4. You think that has anything to do with why we are in this mess to begin with?

What is the issue with this team right now?  What about last year in the playoffs?  That’s right…offensive weapons. You can spin it all you want, but WR is the biggest need. It just is. 

And as a passing league if you can't protect your franchise QB it doesn't matter how good your WRs are. See Cincy with an injured Burrow not in the playoffs. WR is not the biggest need if we lose Floyd and AJE in free agency. I can debate last year's playoffs loss was lack of a quality CB1 and missing Von Miller and Da'quan Jones on the DLineman. 

Edited January 3 by The Jokeman

[The Cincinnati Kid]

2 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

You are confusing the needs of the team this season and the needs of the team next season. We are losing half our defensive starters to retirement, injury and FA is my prediction. That is going to be the biggest need. We've been fairly fortunate to have stable starters on the defense the past 3-4 years or so (remarkably so), but that is all coming to an end now.

Sherfield is one year deal, Davis is up, Harty is going to be cut… queue the Spider-Man Pointing Gif? The roster next year takes shape in time, but having limited guys under contract on DL is also true of WR.

[whorlnut]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

And as a passing league if you can't protect your franchise QB it doesn't matter how good your WRs are. See Cincy with an injured Burrow not in the playoffs. WR is not the biggest need if we lose Floyd and AJE in free agency. I can debate last year's playoffs was lack of a quality CB1 and missing Von Miller and Da'quan Jones. 

Just about every media outlet and the vast majority of the fanbase disagrees with you. Agree to disagree.

[The Jokeman]

4 minutes ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:

Sherfield is one year deal, Davis is up, Harty is going to be cut… queue the Spider-Man Pointing Gif? The roster next year takes shape in time, but having limited guys under contract on DL is also true of WR.

Who's more valuable to the team Davis or Floyd? If lose both which would you want to replace first?

[The Cincinnati Kid]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

Who's more valuable to the team Davis or Floyd? If lose both which would you want to replace first?

The guy that scores the points with a guy better at scoring points.

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

Who's more valuable to the team Davis or Floyd? If lose both which would you want to replace first?

What’s the biggest weakness right now?  WR cause Davis is insanely inconsistent. We don’t have to lose Davis for me to want to replace him. His time is up. He’s easily replaceable. As for Floyd…we got him on a one year deal. You think we couldn’t find another vet to sign a similar deal?  We don’t have to draft an edge to replace him. We could probably even get him back. 

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:

The guy that scores the points with a guy better at scoring points.

It's easier to beat a team if have to score 17 points instead of 20.

[The Cincinnati Kid]

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

It's easier to beat a team if have to score 17 points instead of 20.

They can score 17, 20, 24, it really doesn’t matter if I’m scoring 35, 38, 41…

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:

They can score 17, 20, 24, it really doesn’t matter if I’m scoring 35, 38, 41…

And how many teams scored 35 PPG this season? Guess who has the best record in the league? Surprise the team with the best defense.

[whorlnut]

11 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

It's easier to beat a team if have to score 17 points instead of 20.

You clearly want the bills to become the new packers, who pissed Aaron Rodgers off for years by not investing in top WRs. Cool. 

[Ya Digg?]

10 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

It's easier to beat a team if have to score 17 points instead of 20.

So at what point does the offense become a priority? The way the NFL is set up now teams will always have a bunch of guys on 1-2 year deals, that’s just how it works. Personally I would rather replace on the defensive line year after year with ring chasers and get younger talented guys in the offense 

[NeverOutNick]

This is an amazing WR class…ODUNZE all day!

 

Tre Harris from ole Miss is also a stud but not sure he’s coming out.  Franklin from Oregon and Walker from UNC are guys after the first first round I like a lot too. Just such a deep and awesome draft.
 

 

[Franchiseneedsme]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I agree Whorl...Diggs is slowing down. Gabe is as good as gone. Knox is no longer part of this offense as a receiver. That leaves us Kincaid & Shakir.  We must be bold and go after Odunze or Coleman in the 1st.  Then I would start looking for another wr in the 3rd-4th round.

I hate Coleman,  jumpball/contested catch guy.. yuk

Give me Troy Franklin, he's a better John Brown.

[philholbroo]

I would like to trade up for one of the big WRs (Nabers specifically), so use the pick of the double dip to just trade up and get a great 1 at least.

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Ok…if the sign wrs and ignore defensive line…I will be upset. That will leave that as a “need” in the draft. Enough with dumpster diving at WR and hoping something sticks. Time to start burning some top picks on that position. 

 

Ideally they would do both. We can't rely on a 1st round caliber WR to even make it to our pick given the importance of the position. Even if we get one, we can't rely on one picked in the 20s to have a major role next year. People expected Kincaid to have a major role this year and instead he has just been a solid role player. And we NEED a WR capable of having a major role next year. It's not optional.

 

Unfortunately Beane has backed himself into a corner. Hopkins was the play because he was an immediate improvement that would have been affordable if we had made an effort. Now we have less cap flexibility and we're coming up on an offseason where guys like Pittman and Higgins are going to get massive contracts. Looking at the FA list I don't expect there to be a good middle class of WRs. There's the $15M+ WRs, and there's the Sherfield/Harty level "upside" projects. This offseason's version of Hopkins would probably be Mike Evans but I expect him to re-sign in TB.

 

I don't know what the solution is. OBJ? Hollywood Brown? I just know I don't want to go into the draft with the same gaping hole at outside WR that we had entering last year's draft. If Beane really wanted to go nuts he could cut Hyde, Poyer, White, and Von and use the resulting cap space to make a real splash signing like Pittman. But that's not his M.O.

[Mark Vader]

4 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

They could give a futures contract to Andy Isabella.

@BADOLBILZ why is that so funny?

[BillsFanForever19]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Ideally they would do both. We can't rely on a 1st round caliber WR to even make it to our pick given the importance of the position. Even if we get one, we can't rely on one picked in the 20s to have a major role next year. People expected Kincaid to have a major role this year and instead he has just been a solid role player. And we NEED a WR capable of having a major role next year. It's not optional.

 

Unfortunately Beane has backed himself into a corner. Hopkins was the play because he was an immediate improvement that would have been affordable if we had made an effort. Now we have less cap flexibility and we're coming up on an offseason where guys like Pittman and Higgins are going to get massive contracts. Looking at the FA list I don't expect there to be a good middle class of WRs. There's the $15M+ WRs, and there's the Sherfield/Harty level "upside" projects. This offseason's version of Hopkins would probably be Mike Evans but I expect him to re-sign in TB.

 

I don't know what the solution is. OBJ? Hollywood Brown? I just know I don't want to go into the draft with the same gaping hole at outside WR that we had entering last year's draft. If Beane really wanted to go nuts he could cut Hyde, Poyer, White, and Von and use the resulting cap space to make a real splash signing like Pittman. But that's not his M.O.

 

True, that it's a lot to expect a Round 1 skill player to be the guy in Year 1. But we do have to keep in mind that Kincaid won't be a Rookie next season. He has had a solid Rookie season and I think the expectation from the team is that he'll take another step next season - as Cook, Bernard, and Shakir did.

 

I agree, as you said, we will not be able to swing a Tee Higgins given our situation. But with the hopeful steps forward with Kincaid in Year 2 and Shakir in Year 3, along with Diggs, another solid roleplayer in Round 1 (and a mid round flyer), and a good deal on a solid WR left at the end of musical chairs or a more reliable projection player than we've gotten this season with similar players - and we should be in a better position.

 

We also have 9 picks this year. So with a package of mid round picks and/or a pick next year, although we may be low in Round 1, we may be able to move up.