Allen shoulder injury

[Beck Water]

17 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

Every year is the same excuse and the same injury.  Not buying it. Source is Twitter and some no name? 

 

Dude, Just Stop.  It's not the same injury, and it's not just Twitter and "some no name".

[Einstein]

14 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

My guess is when the season ends a similar story will also be coming out about Diggs. Whether his will be surgery free or not, who knows, TBD??

 

I was of the same opinion until McD recently said Diggs has no injury.

 

Prior to that, I figured the Bills could hide behind omission of truth. Now, they would be outright lying. That would not go over well with the league office.

 

Im starting to think what McD said is true - we just aren’t going to him as much.

9 minutes ago, BCAS Baritone said:

  Injuries only need to be reported it it is likely to affect his availability for the game.  

 

FYI - The following is direct from the NFL:

 

[Einstein]

Basically, if an injury has the possibility to affect a players performance, it must be reported.

[Goin Breakdown]

Ok so not on the report, not hurt. He just stinks right now. 

[Big Turk]

19 hours ago, BigDingus said:

They should've just listed him as "Probable" in the weekly injury reports, as that would at least take SOME of the heat off him.

 

Joe Burrow got a free pass for being one of the worst QBs in the league the first 3 or 4 weeks (statistically), as did Lawrence for recent struggles. I don't buy the excuse "that'll just make people target him more!" either. They're already trying to do that, especially since they know they'll get opportunities with him running a lot.

 

If the injury is anywhere as notable as that tweet makes it out to be, they're doing him a disservice by trying to hide it.

 

If that was still a designation that would be an option. However you can only use questionable and doubtful now.

[bigduke6]

make sense,  passing game looks terrible,  its not all Allen,  but most of it is.   betting we see something injury wise about Diggs as well after the season.   he just doesnt look right since about midway.   its not just the numbers that make me think this.

 

team has covered up lingering injury issues before.  smells the same.  getting it done with smoke and mirrors every season it seems.

hard to win it all with key players gone or playing sub 80% health.

Edited January 3 by bigduke6

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

52 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I was of the same opinion until McD recently said Diggs has no injury.

 

Prior to that, I figured the Bills could hide behind omission of truth. Now, they would be outright lying. That would not go over well with the league office.

 

Im starting to think what McD said is true - we just aren’t going to him as much.

 

FYI - The following is direct from the NFL:

 

 

Well I'll believe it when the season ends.

 

Wasn't Diggs on the injury report back around late Oct, something with his back.  Maybe still lingering effects and Bills feel since he was on injury report for it initially, they can get around it and whatever fine they get, so be it?? 

 

Allen isn't on the injury report anymore either, but he even said something about the shoulder maybe a week ago, kind of implying it's much better, but could read what he said as not 100%.  Add to that the post yesterday about when the season ends, the whole story will come out about it.

[Billzgobowlin]

19 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Because some attention seeker  says something on Twitter doesn’t make it “confirmation “…

What's twitter?

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

I was of the same opinion until McD recently said Diggs has no injury.

 

Prior to that, I figured the Bills could hide behind omission of truth. Now, they would be outright lying. That would not go over well with the league office.

 

Im starting to think what McD said is true - we just aren’t going to him as much.

 

FYI - The following is direct from the NFL:

 

 

You should include the full context

Quote

Some injuries are automatically reportable because they result in the player’s unavailability or
limited availability to the club. These include any injury that:
(a) causes the player to miss a game;
(b) prevents the player from finishing a game;
(c) causes the player to miss a practice (Did Not Participate);
(d) limits the player’s participation in practice (Limited Participation); or
(e) prevents the player from finishing a practice (Limited Participation).
Other injuries may be reportable because of their effect upon the player’s performance despite
his continuing availability to the club.
As one example, assume a club’s quarterback suffers an injury to a finger of his right (throwing)
hand during the club’s first game of the season. After treatment, he is able to finish the game
despite his injury. Given the injury’s effect upon the player’s performance, and the fact that he is
a key player, the injury must be listed on the club’s Practice Report each day of the following
week, even if the player takes all the reps in practice, and even if the club is certain that he will
play in the club’s next game. In such a case, the player should be listed as
“Full Participation (right finger)” in the Practice Report, but would not be listed in the club’s Game Status Report for
Week 2 because the player is certain to play in the club’s upcoming game.
See Section 2 (Game Status Report) on page 5. The club must continue to list the player on its weekly Practice Reports
until the player’s injury no longer affects the player’s performance.

 

There's obviously some weasel words.  If the Bills felt Allen's shoulder injury no longer affected his performance (taking him off injury report before Week 17), they're allowed to say "that's what we thought based on practice and the report from our head trainer, but whoops".  It's also possible that he got a "ding" early in the game that re-aggrevated it and affected him.

 

On the Diggs thing, I believe McDermott's actual words were something like "no significant injuries".  By this time in the season, almost all the players have various dings and bruises.  So as long as he's taking every rep in practice and there's no question he's going to play, there are all kinds of weaseling. 

Remember the NFL concluded the Bills did NOT violate their injury policy

when they had Jerry Hughes (their best pass rusher) on injury report only for "Vet Rest" then he got post-season tendon surgery on his wrist and revealed he'd been playing all season with torn wrist ligaments.

Edited January 3 by Beck Water

[Nextmanup]

59 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Ok so not on the report, not hurt. He just stinks right now. 

For some reason, a lot of Bills fans simply can't accept that Josh is a very inconsistent player.

 

People say things like "Where did Josh go?" when he looks terrible for a couple of games. And then they say "OH, he's back.  We found him again!" when he plays lights out.

 

No, Josh was here the whole time.  It's who he is.  You never know what you're going to get exactly.

 

We are going to have trouble winning a Super Bowl with him, b/c without No.1 seeding, we are going to need FOUR GAMES IN A ROW agains the cream of the league...and asking Josh to play with that level of consistency is a tall order.

 

 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

You should include the full context

 

There was no additional context that was relevant. I see you bolded "may be reportable", which is irrelevant, considering our situation involves a key player that the very next paragraph states clearly "must be listed".

Therefore, the entire context for the situation we are speaking of, was included...

 

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

There's obviously some weasel words.  If the Bills felt Allen's shoulder injury no longer affected his performance (taking him off injury report before Week 17), they're allowed to say "that's what we thought based on practice and the report from our head trainer, but whoops".  It's also possible that he got a "ding" early in the game that re-aggrevated it and affected him.

 

I guess they could.

But the NFL could also say "Yeah, nice try, here is a nice fat fine". Like they did with the Falcons just two weeks ago. And the Steelers a couple years ago.

But maybe the team figures "those fine are worth it". Especially since they're "fat" for a fan but not for a billion dollar team.

 

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Edited January 3 by Einstein

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

For some reason, a lot of Bills fans simply can't accept that Josh is a very inconsistent player.

 

People say things like "Where did Josh go?" when he looks terrible for a couple of games. And then they say "OH, he's back.  We found him again!" when he plays lights out.

 

No, Josh was here the whole time.  It's who he is.  You never know what you're going to get exactly.

 

We are going to have trouble winning a Super Bowl with him, b/c without No.1 seeding, we are going to need FOUR GAMES IN A ROW agains the cream of the league...and asking Josh to play with that level of consistency is a tall order.

 

 

I agree 100% here.  

[chongli]

 

[BRH]

Shocking news:  

 

Man who plays quarterback in NFL is dinged up after 16 games.

 

 

[ALG1130]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

For some reason, a lot of Bills fans simply can't accept that Josh is a very inconsistent player.

 

People say things like "Where did Josh go?" when he looks terrible for a couple of games. And then they say "OH, he's back.  We found him again!" when he plays lights out.

 

No, Josh was here the whole time.  It's who he is.  You never know what you're going to get exactly.

 

We are going to have trouble winning a Super Bowl with him, b/c without No.1 seeding, we are going to need FOUR GAMES IN A ROW agains the cream of the league...and asking Josh to play with that level of consistency is a tall order.

 

 

Wow, just wow! Fans like you make my chaotic side long for another QB carousel stretch, and it most likely will happen once Josh retires. I can't wait. How ridiculously spoiled and entitled Bills fans have become.

[Alphadawg7]

21 hours ago, HappyDays said:

It has been theorized by many that Allen has been struggling with some kind of shoulder injury this season. Apparent confirmation here:

 

FWIW CJ Caggiano is a reputable insider, I've followed him for a while. Every year he has schedule leaks that turn out to be correct, and he has given a couple injury updates that turned out to be correct as well.

 

Take the info how you will, but if true it could possibly explain some of the recent mechanical issues Allen has had on some of his throws.

 

This has nothing to do with the accuracy of what he is saying...but this guy is a total tool for telling everyone Josh has a shoulder injury but then saying well I won't say exactly what it is until after the season because I was told to keep it confidential.  Are you serious?  How is telling everyone about the injury keeping the injury confidentail?  What an idiot.  And then says I want to keep it confidential for "competitive integrity" reasons...but AGAIN you did NOT keep it confidential, you just told everyone he has a shoulder injury so if they want to target that shoulder they can.  Doesn't matter he didn't say the specifics of the shoulder, all any opponent needed to know is that his shoulder has some sort of issue.  

 

CJ who are dumb as rocks.  

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

For some reason, a lot of Bills fans simply can't accept that Josh is a very inconsistent player.

 

People say things like "Where did Josh go?" when he looks terrible for a couple of games. And then they say "OH, he's back.  We found him again!" when he plays lights out.

 

No, Josh was here the whole time.  It's who he is.  You never know what you're going to get exactly.

 

We are going to have trouble winning a Super Bowl with him, b/c without No.1 seeding, we are going to need FOUR GAMES IN A ROW agains the cream of the league...and asking Josh to play with that level of consistency is a tall order.

 

 

 

No offense, but its hard to take anything you say seriously when you have one note...one speed...at all times and that is always the negative view on everything.  There are a handful of you that I can't fathom how you are Bills fans as you seem hate everyone associated with the team and only ever "like" or approve of negative posts and themes on this board.  

And this take on Josh is another prime example of over the top negative outlook.   If you just had some balance it would be one thing, but you and a few others just always exaggerate things to the highest level of negativity which then just ruins your point because it goes from something that might have had some relevance to over the top nonsense.  

[ALG1130]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No offense, but its hard to take anything you say seriously when you have one note...one speed...at all times and that is always the negative view on everything.  There are a handful of you that I can't fathom how you are Bills fans as you seem hate everyone associated with the team and only ever "like" or approve of negative posts and themes on this board.  

And this take on Josh is another prime example of over the top negative outlook.   If you just had some balance it would be one thing, but you and a few others just always exaggerate things to the highest level of negativity which then just ruins your point because it goes from something that might have had some relevance to over the top nonsense.  

🙌Right? This is silly and makes me side eye if these people are actually Bills fans. I mean, of course we all get frustrated when Josh is careless with the ball, throws a boneheaded INT(usually good for one per game), BUT, he is the driving force behind this team. The glue that holds it together. Accounts for about 85% of TD's. He is on the cover of Madden and getting endorsement deals for a reason. These things aren't just handed out. He is a star and our shining hope for attracting other star talents to this team, because most free agents don't want to just come to small market/cold Buffalo for no good reason. Josh GIVES us a reason for them to come here. I need someone to tell me one playoff game, outside of maybe Houston, where Josh was the reason we didn't advance to the SB? Chiefs in the AFCCG? They were a lot better, and we kept kicking field goals. Chiefs in the divisional? Josh was flawless and most definitely could have taken us to the SB and WON it for us if we hang on for 13 freaking seconds? Divisional last year? Wasn't his best game, but that game was a total team failure, it was not all on him. We always have a chance with him. We might not with our next QB. Blows my mind anyone would say we can't win a SB with him at QB, when he is the main reason we have a chance at all 😒

[H2o]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

For some reason, a lot of Bills fans simply can't accept that Josh is a very inconsistent player.

 

People say things like "Where did Josh go?" when he looks terrible for a couple of games. And then they say "OH, he's back.  We found him again!" when he plays lights out.

 

No, Josh was here the whole time.  It's who he is.  You never know what you're going to get exactly.

 

We are going to have trouble winning a Super Bowl with him, b/c without No.1 seeding, we are going to need FOUR GAMES IN A ROW agains the cream of the league...and asking Josh to play with that level of consistency is a tall order.

 

 

This is a pretty outrageous take. The only reason we have a shot at a SB is because of JA17. And as long as we have JA17 we have a shot at the SB. Do you think we'd have been better off keeping Tyrod?  There have been A LOT worse QB's than JA17 who've hoisted a Lombardi when you go through the history of the NFL as a whole. Just from recent memory here are a few:

 

Ben Ro has 2.

Eli has 2.

Nick Foles.

Joe Flacco.

Trent Dilfer.

Brad Johnson.

 

You think any of those guys are better than JA? Yeah, none of them are and they have Lombardi's to their credit.  

[Beck Water]

Gaaaaaaah!

 

So Buffalo Bills Injury report just came out

 

Allen is on the injury report for "Neck" and "Right finger"

 

Finger on his throwing hand

 

Please remove sharp objects from my vicinity