So how are we feeling about Coach McDermott?

[Buffalo03]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I gave you examples there too. You didn't like them.

 

You only consider someone has answered the question if you agree with their response. 

 

You are incapable of meaningful discussion.

 

And I think you are overestimating it.

And please state reasons why. How do you think I'm overestimating the talent. Do you even know? Or do you disagree just to disagree?

Edited January 2 by Buffalo03

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

In what ways? The guy that originally posted this said that 13 or 14 would be overachieving but that 10 would be under achieving. Are we really gonna argue about a difference of 2 or 3 games? This team can win 11 and it can certainly win 14. It just doesn't because of bad coaching and game management earlier in the season. All 6 losses are by one score and could have gone either way. We have a top 3 QB, a good RB, a good up and coming TR, a solid Oline and pretty much a solid defense with missing core players I may add. Keep that in mind. We are missing Milano and Tre and have still won 10 games. The only thing we really need help at is WR. Tell me how I'm wrong

 

It can win 14. It can win 17. It can win 7. 11 or 12 is par for this roster agains this schedule. 13 or 14 wasn't impossible but I do think would have been an overachivement. 9 or 10 would be an underachievement.

 

 

2 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

When sufficient info and facts aren't provided to produce a meaningful discussion, I'd place the reason for a lack of one onto the person making claims but not avowing them firmly.  

 

 

 

They were provided. You just didn't like what it proved so disregarded them. 

 

Stick with your narratives. They are safer for you.

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

And please state reasons why. How do you think I'm overestimating the talent. Do you even know? Or do you disagree just to disagree?

 

I have given my reasons earlier in this thread. 

[Buffalo03]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

It can win 14. It can win 17. It can win 7. 11 or 12 is par for this roster agains this schedule. 13 or 14 wasn't impossible but I do think would have been an overachivement. 9 or 10 would be an underachievement.

 

 

This team is talented to have won every game we have played in. Again, tell me where I am wrong in my assessment. Do we not have a top 3 or 4 QB in the whole league? Do we not have a good/decent RB, do we not have the best oline we have had in years? Do we not have an up and coming TE? Do we not have a top 10 defense without our best players? Tell me where I am wrong

[Trogdor]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

The consensus among fans was that Marv was the right coach for the collection of egos that made up that team.  
 

No one called for his firing after even the 3rd SB loss.  Very faint if any.  I recall there were times more people at times called for Reich to start over Kelly if he had a bad game which of course was ridiculous.  
 

Marv had a great OC in Marchibroda from 1989 to 1992 and that was as elite as the offense would be under Kelly.  Still good after he left but those were the peak seasons.  
 

 

As time passed most will now tell you if the team had a better collection of defensive coaches (or head coach in general) maybe we win one.  
 

I’m of the belief we were out coached badly in SB 25 and the other 3 we faced teams with superior talent that would have required significantly better coaching to win.  
 

Marchibroda was gone by then and the defense was just average despite having the greatest defensive player ever in Bruce.  

 

This has contributed to my attitude toward McD now.  I don’t want to waste Allen and look back saying “man, he really just needed a better OC after Daboll left.”  

Yeah, a better coach probably would've made the guys stay in and prepare. There are a lot of looking through rose colored glasses when people talk about those teams. I mean, look at the saint people have made Jim Kelly into. 

[PBF81]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

This team is talented to have won every game we have played in. Again, tell me where I am wrong in my assessment. Do we not have a top 3 or 4 QB in the whole league? Do we not have a good/decent RB, do we not have the best oline we have had in years? Do we not have an up and coming TE? Do we not have a top 10 defense without our best players? Tell me where I am wrong

 

Good luck getting a direct answer.  

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

This team is talented to have won every game we have played in. Again, tell me where I am wrong in my assessment. Do we not have a top 3 or 4 QB in the whole league? Do we not have a good/decent RB, do we not have the best oline we have had in years? Do we not have an up and coming TE? Do we not have a top 10 defense without our best players? Tell me where I am wrong

 

We have lots of good players. But on a schedule with 5 games against double digit win teams (likely 6 by the end of the season cos the Jags will beat the Titans) and playing Cincy while Burrow was healthy and generally having one of the tougher schedules in the league this year you need those good players to be pretty consistently at their best to get to the bigger win totals. And the difference between good players (which we have lots of) and elite players (which we have fewer of) is the ability to repeat it week in week out, game in game out. 

 

We have lost two games this year that I put squarely on coaching. Patriots and Broncos. To argue all 6 of our losses are on coaching is ridiculous. 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

I feel he has been better with this in the last month. Have you seen something where you wouldn't agree?

End of the first half yesterday was the latest example. We could have gotten the ball back with over two minutes left if he had taken his timeouts when he should have. 

[Buffalo03]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

We have lots of good players. But on a schedule with 5 games against double digit win teams (likely 6 by the end of the season cos the Jags will beat the Titans) and playing Cincy while Burrow was healthy and generally having one of the tougher schedules in the league this year you need those good players to be pretty consistently at their best to get to the bigger win totals. And the difference between good players (which we have lots of) and elite players (which we have fewer of) is the ability to repeat it week in week out, game in game out. 

 

We have lost two games this year that I put squarely on coaching. Patriots and Broncos. To argue all 6 of our losses are on coaching is ridiculous. 

So, we lost the first Jets game because we aren't talented enough, even though we killed them the second time? I think the London trip playing a Jags team that had already been in London for 2 weeks played a big part in that loss, we lost the first Patriots game because of coaching, we lost the Eagles game because of coaching. We didn't Los because lack of talent. This team is capable of blowing anyone out on any given week if we played the way we should and I think you know that. But because of scheme and injuries, we haven't. 

[PBF81]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

They were provided. You just didn't like what it proved so disregarded them. 

 

Stick with your narratives. They are safer for you.

 

So are you now saying that Gilliam didn't make quite a few impact plays on offense last season then? 

 

Which is it?  

 

 

[Buffalo03]

5 minutes ago, K-9 said:

End of the first half yesterday was the latest example. We could have gotten the ball back with over two minutes left if he had taken his timeouts when he should have. 

I don't even remember that to be honest with you. I just know there hasn't been as much the last month that I have been frustrated with about him as I had earlier in the season

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

So, we lost the first Jets game because we aren't talented enough, even though we killed them the second time? I think the London trip playing a Jags team that had already been in London for 2 weeks played a big part in that loss, we lost the first Patriots game because of coaching, we lost the Eagles game because of coaching. We didn't Los because lack of talent. This team is capable of blowing anyone out on any given week if we played the way we should and I think you know that. But because of scheme and injuries, we haven't. 

 

We lost the Jets game because of Josh Allen. Anyone who still refuses to accept that needs to come into the real world.

 

We lost the Eagles game to a better team on the day who just made one or two more plays than we did.

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

So are you now saying that Gilliam didn't make quite a few impact plays on offense last season then? 

 

Which is it?  

 

 

 

I am saying the same now as I said then. He did make an impact but not week in week out. His role was very gameplan specific. But in those games the result of his usage was very clear and backed up by the numbers.

[Warriorspikes51]

I’m not a huge fan of his. 
 

I will say what he has done since that stupid article came out has been impressive.

 

he’s had immense pressure on him 

[Buffalo03]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

We lost the Jets game because of Josh Allen. Anyone who still refuses to accept that needs to come into the real world.

 

We lost the Eagles game to a better team on the day who just made one or two more plays than we did.

Yes, I agree, Josh Allen was probably the main reason for that first Jet loss but does that mean he isn't talented enough? We lost the Eagles game because just like so many times this season, McDermott's defense (because of McDermott) buckled in the final 2 minutes of a game. It was also McDermott's decision to kneel with 20 seconds left in regulation to go to OT instead of being aggressive. It was coaching that lost that game

[FilthyBeast]

Here's another thought to ponder, regardless your stance on McD....this team may never have a better chance to get to/win a superbowl in the coming years when you consider how wide open things are right now especially in the AFC as a whole.

 

Yes the Ravens look like a prohibitive favorite right now, but we've seen how different Lamar looks in the playoffs...after all even McD and a lot of this current roster already beat him there, albeit at home.

 

Chiefs defense is elite and more than good enough to carry them right now but you'll never see Mahomes and that offense look like this again. Veach will fix that in a major way in the offseason. And at least the Bills get them in Buffalo finally should that materialize later this month.

 

Other than those 2 teams I don't see anyone else that could possibly be in the way especially since I'm not a believer in the Browns/Flacco either despite beating up on some bad teams as of late.

 

The anxiety and tension among the Bills fanbase is going to be at an all time high leading up to Sunday Night, and will only grow exponentially should this team get into the playoffs again....to say it's now or never is an understatement.

[PBF81]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

We lost the Jets game because of Josh Allen. Anyone who still refuses to accept that needs to come into the real world.

 

We lost the Eagles game to a better team on the day who just made one or two more plays than we did.

 

And naturally the coaches, particularly McD, had little control over us throwing the ball 70% of the time, over 2/3 of the plays, when the weakness of the Jets' D is their rushing D. 

 

OK 

 

Out of curiosity, what makes the Eagles better?  

 

What?  Better OL?  Better QB?  RB?  D?  

 

We've scored 430 and allowed 297. 

They've scored 423 and allowed 401.  

 

So out of curiosity, what in your mind makes them a better team?  

 

We can go over the offensive and defensive rankings in numerous categories if you'd like, but I don't think that they top us in any of them.  

 

 

[Rubes]

7 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Here's another thought to ponder, regardless your stance on McD....this team may never have a better chance to get to/win a superbowl in the coming years when you consider how wide open things are right now especially in the AFC as a whole.

 

Yes the Ravens look like a prohibitive favorite right now, but we've seen how different Lamar looks in the playoffs...after all even McD and a lot of this current roster already beat him there, albeit at home.

 

Chiefs defense is elite and more than good enough to carry them right now but you'll never see Mahomes and that offense look like this again. Veach will fix that in a major way in the offseason. And at least the Bills get them in Buffalo finally should that materialize later this month.

 

Other than those 2 teams I don't see anyone else that could possibly be in the way especially since I'm not a believer in the Browns/Flacco either despite beating up on some bad teams as of late.

 

The anxiety and tension among the Bills fanbase is going to be at an all time high leading up to Sunday Night, and will only grow exponentially should this team get into the playoffs again....to say it's now or never is an understatement.

 

There is still a possible scenario where the Bills get in as #6 and the Chiefs are #3...

 

[PBF81]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

We lost the Jets game because of Josh Allen. Anyone who still refuses to accept that needs to come into the real world.

 

We lost the Eagles game to a better team on the day who just made one or two more plays than we did.

 

I am saying the same now as I said then. He did make an impact but not week in week out. His role was very gameplan specific. But in those games the result of his usage was very clear and backed up by the numbers.

 

Well, you provided me two games, one was the KC game, which I went through play by play and disproved that.  

I then asked you for more games.  You said you were in some pub and were in the middle of lunch and drinking or something and you'd get back to me.  You never did.  I've ignored it until now.  As they say, best to let sleeping dogs lie. 

 

Either way, since you obviously had them documented, either mentally or somewhere, throw them out, I'll look at 'em and we can discuss further.  

 

Again, do you now claim that he's made any kind of significant impact this season besides that one TO?  I know he had a big penalty on Sunday.  I suppose that's impact, just not for us.  

 

Anyway, I'm all eyes and ears and have been waiting.  

 

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

And naturally the coaches, particularly McD, had little control over us throwing the ball 70% of the time, over 2/3 of the plays, when the weakness of the Jets' D is their rushing D. 

 

OK 

 

Out of curiosity, what makes the Eagles better?  

 

What?  Better OL?  Better QB?  RB?  D?  

 

We've scored 430 and allowed 297. 

They've scored 423 and allowed 401.  

 

So out of curiosity, what in your mind makes them a better team?  

 

We can go over the offensive and defensive rankings in numerous categories if you'd like, but I don't think that they top us in any of them.  

 

 

 

I think the Bills and Eagles are pretty closely matched teams. On the day their talent just made one or two more plays. If we want to really break it down simply.... Tyler Bass missed two FGs from 34 and 48 and their kicker nailed a 59 yarder in a squal. It probably came down to that as much as anything else.

[MJS]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

My opinion has changed ZERO.  Nothing that has occurred since the firing of Dorsey has changed McDermott in any way.

Back when we were losing, MANY posters here said "At this point, we have to win the AFC Championship game for me to reconsider my position with McDermott" or similar.  

 

I really hope McDermott remains on the hot seat regardless of how this season plays out.

 

The goal here is not to heroically make the playoffs...the goal should be winning MULTIPLE SUPER BOWLS while Josh Allen can still play football.

 

McDermott remains an "0 for" in that regard, and this season is likely to be the same.

He was never on the hot seat.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

Well, you provided me two games, one was the KC game, which I went through play by play and disproved that.  

I then asked you for more games.  You said you were in some pub and were in the middle of lunch and drinking or something and you'd get back to me.  You never did.  I've ignored it until now.  As they say, best to let sleeping dogs lie. 

 

Either way, since you obviously had them documented, either mentally or somewhere, throw them out, I'll look at 'em and we can discuss further.  

 

Again, do you now claim that he's made any kind of significant impact this season besides that one TO?  I know he had a big penalty on Sunday.  I suppose that's impact, just not for us.  

 

Anyway, I'm all eyes and ears and have been waiting.  

 

 

You didn't disprove it. The numbers proved me right. You just didn't accept it. I did say I'd do the same detail breakdown of the other KC game (I can't recall if I did 2021 or 2022 now) but I didn't ever get around to it. 

 

Still. I proved you wrong. As I do time and time again when you try and hammer your false narratives.