TheFunPolice Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) He's doing a good job with defense. I just hope he allows Beane to stock the offense with playmakers this off-season. Overall he's above average. There are a lot of bad coaches in the NFL. Edited January 3 by TheFunPolice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 49 minutes ago, HappyDays said: This made me realize something that I had felt but wasn't consciously thinking about. Every week over the past month or so the defense is playing with its hair on fire. They might not always perform great but they are rallying to the ball, celebrating after big plays, and just generally look they are playing like their lives are on the line week after week. When they let the opposing offense make a play they don't let it shake them, they're just on to the next play. Everybody looks like they know what their teammates around them are doing and have enough trust in their teammates to simply execute their role on the play. The offense in contrast always looks a bit lethargic to me. It looks like a group of co-workers that have a pleasant enough relationship but aren't going to war for each other. When they have a bad play it often snowballs into a string of bad plays. The players openly show frustration on the field. There is often times a complete lack of cohesion. Allen and his pass catchers aren't always on the same page. The OL miscommunicates and allows free rushers. I think there is really something to this. Considering how good the defense has been WITHOUT all pros Matt Milano, and Tre White I'd say the defense has been carrying some games. The Buffalo offense should have been blowing out some of these bad teams and the defense has saved the day. I don't know where this fire McD all started (possibly by Ken Dorsey) However, the right guy was fired after the Bills under Dorsey after they went 5-5 after 10 games. New Buffalo OC Joe Brady has only one loss to the NFC Champ Eagles at Philly in OT!!! NY Jets, Chiefs, Chargers, Cowboys, and Patriots... all wins. That win against Dallas was a thing of beauty with that Buffalo run game 49 rushes for 266 yards and 3 TDs. 31 to 10 against one of the best teams in the NFL at that time. weren't they the #1 scoring offense before that game? The Buffalo offense hasn't been itself most of the season and we know Dorsey was a big part of that problem. Looking at that Patriots game I have to think it's mostly on the players themselves as they tend to play down to the level of the opponent. Allen looked bad, with missed throws, and missed looks. The Bills O line looked bad in the middle as both OGs were owned all game. Then the drops! Three of those drops would have been for first-downs. Both Diggs and Kincade targeted 7x with only 4 catches each. Cook had a drop, and Murray had a drop and Sherfield went 0 for 3. I'd also like to add that Bills fans should be so happy that they have a magic man at GM. That trade for Rasul Douglas was one of the best ever, a 3rd rounder for a guy playing like a 1st. Two INT's with one a pick-six and another tipped that Ed Oliver caught for an INT. Great stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 hours ago, newcam2012 said: Who said McD has no responsibility for building the Bills into a top franchise? I didn't. When you land a Josh Allen it's pretty much a given you can sleepwalk into a top 10 franchise. He that good. The issue and the debate is why the Bills haven't been able to even sniff a super bowl. Frankly, they haven't even been close!!! There are several reasons why and one IMHO includes McD. Of course,you disagree. Should this fan base accept a good regular season as a success, playoff appearances as a success? One playoff win and out as a success? This is what we've gotten under McD. Success can be measured and interpreted in many ways. I'd argue the goalpost have dramatically moved for at least a couple of years. McD continues to fall short. Not sure how Bills fans nonchalantly dismiss the 13 second nightmare and the Bengal thrashing as hoe hum. What's the next occurrence of failure? Can't wait to hear your excuse. Justin Herbert has entered the chat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Hutz Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 My opinion hasn't changed at all. His team still shows it has trouble closing out games against bad teams the last two weeks. I'm probably in the minority here, but short of winning a Super Bowl I think he shouldn't return next season. It's understandable that a lot of Bills fans are just happy to make the playoffs after all the losing seasons we had before Allen got here, but you really should want more from this team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 6 hours ago, newcam2012 said: Who said McD has no responsibility for building the Bills into a top franchise? I didn't. When you land a Josh Allen it's pretty much a given you can sleepwalk into a top 10 franchise. He that good. The issue and the debate is why the Bills haven't been able to even sniff a super bowl. Frankly, they haven't even been close!!! There are several reasons why and one IMHO includes McD. Of course,you disagree. Should this fan base accept a good regular season as a success, playoff appearances as a success? One playoff win and out as a success? This is what we've gotten under McD. Success can be measured and interpreted in many ways. I'd argue the goalpost have dramatically moved for at least a couple of years. McD continues to fall short. Not sure how Bills fans nonchalantly dismiss the 13 second nightmare and the Bengal thrashing as hoe hum. What's the next occurrence of failure? Can't wait to hear your excuse. Drew Brees was a HOF QB (Josh Allen isn’t yet) and he missed the playoffs 3 straight years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Never said he can’t beat Mahomes and Burrow. You make a big argument that McDermott should make a Super Bowl because he has Allen. Losing to Burrow and Mahomes shouldn’t be considered fireable offenses is all I’m saying. How many chances? I think we’re at least 2 years of missing the playoffs or 2 years of 1 and done in the playoffs before McDermott’s seat gets hot. That's fair. 43 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: Justin Herbert has entered the chat. I don't think Herbert is in Allen's league. Just my opinion. 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: Drew Brees was a HOF QB (Josh Allen isn’t yet) and he missed the playoffs 3 straight years. He also has a SB ring. Tick Tok... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 My opinion of him had not changed. I think he's just good enough to always keep his job but never win a Superbowl so perfect for Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 6 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: It's not going to be easy Teef...the anxiety and tension should be off the charts for all Bills fans right now. Yes the Dolphins are reeling and certainly didn't look like a superbowl contender against the Ravens...but the main point is the Bills are not very good on the road this year where the Dolphins have been near flawless at home with their only loss coming in that weird Titans MNF game that they blew a 2 score lead in the final minutes. A true 50/50 toss up type of game if I've ever seen one and if they let Tua and that offense get going early and build a lead I don't think the Bills win especially if keeps playing the way he has in recent weeks. The dolphins are 13- 3 at home. The home field is very big here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: That's fair. I don't think Herbert is in Allen's league. Just my opinion. He also has a SB ring. Tick Tok... Sure, but the expectation for a Star Wars number HoF QB should be playoffs every year, right? except that doesn’t happen that way. McD is currently 9th in the NFL when it comes to total playoff games. The folks above him: McVay: good playoff resume Sean Payton: 3 playoff wins since 2017 (less than McD) Tomlin: 3 playoff wins since 2015 (less than McD) Haurbaugh: 2 playoff wins since 2014 (less than McD) McCarthy: 3 playoff wins since 2016 (less than McD) Carroll: 2 playoff wins since 2016 (less than McD) Andy Reid: great playoff resume Bill Belichick: great playoff resume with Brady, but 3 playoff wins since 2018, all in that season with Brady. (Less than McD) By the numbers, McD is one of the top coaches in terms of playoff appearances and wins since 2017. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Outside of maybe the Ravens and 9ers, what team has not had similar issues that the bills have had this season? Eagles were the last standing undefeated team this season, and they've looked awful as of late. Kc is not their usual selves. Browns look great having flacco as their starting qb. Case and point, this nfl season hasent been completely normal. tons of injuries, lots of starting qbs out. This season as a whole might just be an oddball honestly. It wouldn't even shock me to see a team like the Browns in the superbowl this year. The whole season has just been weird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 6 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: I'm sure you're surprised to hear this...but I agree 100% with everything you just said...especially what version of the Bills (and most importantly JA17) shows up. It's not like number 17 and the offense has been humming. In fact, I'd argue Allen has played pretty poorly. In his last four games, he's the worst rated QB passing under no pressure. That's just crazy that the Bills are still winning. I don't think the current version of Allen gets it done on Sunday. I'm extremely interested in seeing the adjustments Miami makes on offense. The Bills D destroyed their rhythm and timing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 30 minutes ago, FireChans said: Sure, but the expectation for a Star Wars number HoF QB should be playoffs every year, right? except that doesn’t happen that way. McD is currently 9th in the NFL when it comes to total playoff games. The folks above him: McVay: good playoff resume Sean Payton: 3 playoff wins since 2017 (less than McD) Tomlin: 3 playoff wins since 2015 (less than McD) Haurbaugh: 2 playoff wins since 2014 (less than McD) McCarthy: 3 playoff wins since 2016 (less than McD) Carroll: 2 playoff wins since 2016 (less than McD) Andy Reid: great playoff resume Bill Belichick: great playoff resume with Brady, but 3 playoff wins since 2018, all in that season with Brady. (Less than McD) By the numbers, McD is one of the top coaches in terms of playoff appearances and wins since 2017. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. There's no doubt McD has a great track record of making the playoffs. I don't think anyone is arguing that. You talked about since 2017 and him being one of the top coaches. Stats can definitely be deceiving and skewered in many directions depending on where you are trying to go. Let's dig deeper and paint a different picture. McD is 4-5 in the playoffs. Firechans that's a whooping 44% win percentage. Are you saying that's elite? Cream of the crop? Top notch? More specifically, let's look at the last three years when Allen was clearly elite. Well, let's just leave it at we all know the results. Not sure how any football fan can say McD was elite. A case certainly can be made of the opposite. Moreover, amoung the football people the whispers are McD and the Bills just always seemingly fall short. Can't argue that with only one AFC championship game on his resume. A big fat loss at that. Josh Allen tick tok clock is running... I'm not sure how any football fan or Bills fan can come away with McD is an above average playoff coach. 13 seconds and both playoff games last year are screaming off the charts. Multiple blown leads and not finishing are screaming off the charts. Do you know the window a coach and an elite QB together have to make a SB appearance and win it? Let's just say the window has passed. No way no how is McD a quality playoff coach. Your breakdown doesn't tell a complete picture. In fact, I'd call it deceptive. No offense. Edited January 3 by newcam2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 31 minutes ago, FireChans said: Sure, but the expectation for a Star Wars number HoF QB should be playoffs every year, right? except that doesn’t happen that way. McD is currently 9th in the NFL when it comes to total playoff games. The folks above him: McVay: good playoff resume Sean Payton: 3 playoff wins since 2017 (less than McD) Tomlin: 3 playoff wins since 2015 (less than McD) Haurbaugh: 2 playoff wins since 2014 (less than McD) McCarthy: 3 playoff wins since 2016 (less than McD) Carroll: 2 playoff wins since 2016 (less than McD) Andy Reid: great playoff resume Bill Belichick: great playoff resume with Brady, but 3 playoff wins since 2018, all in that season with Brady. (Less than McD) By the numbers, McD is one of the top coaches in terms of playoff appearances and wins since 2017. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. What is your criteria here? Super Bowl coaches with crappy QB's? Thanks for the insight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: There's no doubt McD has a great track record of making the playoffs. I don't think anyone is arguing that. You talked about since 2017 and him being one of the top coaches. Stats can definitely be deceiving and skewered in many directions depending on where you are trying to go. Let's dig deeper and paint a different picture. McD is 4-5 in the playoffs. Firechans that's a whooping 44% win percentage. Are you saying that's elite? Cream of the crop? Top notch? More specifically, let's look at the last three years when Allen was clearly elite. Well, let's just leave it at we all know the results. Not sure how any football fan can say McD was elite. A case certainly can be made of the opposite. Moreover, amoung the football people the whispers are McD and the Bills just always seemingly fall short. Can't argue that with only one AFC championship game on his resume. A big fat loss at that. Josh Allen tick tok clock is running... I'm not sure how any football fan or Bills fan can come away with McD is an above average playoff coach. 13 seconds and both playoff games last year are screaming off the charts. Multiple blown leads and not finishing are screaming off the charts. Do you know the window a coach and an elite QB together have to make a SB appearance and win it? Let's just say the window has passed. No way no how is McD a quality playoff coach. Your breakdown doesn't tell a complete picture. In fact, I'd call it deceptive. No offense. Um, yes. Since 2017: Carroll is 1-4. 20% win percentage. BB is 5-3 McCarthy is 1-2 Harbaugh is 1-4 Payton is 3-4 Tomlin is 0-3 McVay 7-3 Shanny is 6-3 So at this point, by your playoff win% standards, McD is like a top 5 coach in the NFL. The only coaches with more or the same or more playoff games and a better playoff record since 2017 is McVay, Shanny, BB and Reid. Try to actually compare him to other coaches with the same standard. You call the stats deceptive, but what they really do is paint a picture you don't like. Folks love to say how good Tomlin and Harbaugh are, and they've won like 2 playoff games in a decade. But hey, if that's good, McD is elite lmao, 8 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: What is your criteria here? Super Bowl coaches with crappy QB's? Thanks for the insight. Criteria is wins and games. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: Um, yes. Since 2017: Carroll is 1-4. 20% win percentage. BB is 5-3 McCarthy is 1-2 Harbaugh is 1-4 Payton is 3-4 Tomlin is 0-3 McVay 7-3 Shanny is 6-3 So at this point, by your playoff win% standards, McD is like a top 5 coach in the NFL. The only coaches with more or the same or more playoff games and a better playoff record since 2017 is McVay, Shanny, BB and Reid. Try to actually compare him to other coaches with the same standard. You call the stats deceptive, but what they really do is paint a picture you don't like. Folks love to say how good Tomlin and Harbaugh are, and they've won like 2 playoff games in a decade. But hey, if that's good, McD is elite lmao, Criteria is wins and games. Only three coaches ALL TIME in the Super Bowl era above 60% winning in the regular season have never won a conference championship game. I don't even need to only include coaches partial data and exclude franchise QB's to arrive at this stat. You can twist this anyway you want. McD has been trash in the playoffs and only in the same ball park as Marty. Keep fighting that fight. Edited January 3 by Mikie2times 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 10 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Only three coaches ALL TIME in the Super Bowl era above 60% winning in the regular season have never won a conference championship game. I don't even need to only include coaches partial data and exclude franchise QB's to arrive at this stat. You can twist this anyway you want. McD has been trash in the playoffs and only in the same ball park as Marty. Keep fighting that fight. Good thing Sean’s gonna win it this year. See you at the parade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Sure, but the expectation for a Star Wars number HoF QB should be playoffs every year, right? except that doesn’t happen that way. McD is currently 9th in the NFL when it comes to total playoff games. The folks above him: McVay: good playoff resume Sean Payton: 3 playoff wins since 2017 (less than McD) Tomlin: 3 playoff wins since 2015 (less than McD) Haurbaugh: 2 playoff wins since 2014 (less than McD) McCarthy: 3 playoff wins since 2016 (less than McD) Carroll: 2 playoff wins since 2016 (less than McD) Andy Reid: great playoff resume Bill Belichick: great playoff resume with Brady, but 3 playoff wins since 2018, all in that season with Brady. (Less than McD) By the numbers, McD is one of the top coaches in terms of playoff appearances and wins since 2017. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. True but all of those coaches have a ring 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Just now, PauleeeWalnuts said: True but all of those coaches have a ring That’s great for the teams they won them for. The only coaches in the NFL I would take over McD for the Bills next season are Shanny, McVay, Reid and maybe BB but probably not. Would you want BB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Anyone that wants McD gone “unless” better get their choices lined up for who you want your next coach to be. Because the MCD homers will never let us hear the end of it until we fabricate a multi-Super Bowl winner out of fresh air. Because you know, anyone that’s ever won a SB before had to have come from being a previous SB head coaching position or McD must automatically be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 3 minutes ago, mrags said: Anyone that wants McD gone “unless” better get their choices lined up for who you want your next coach to be. Because the MCD homers will never let us hear the end of it until we fabricate a multi-Super Bowl winner out of fresh air. Because you know, anyone that’s ever won a SB before had to have come from being a previous SB head coaching position or McD must automatically be better. I think it’s absolutely reasonable to want a new voice in the locker room. I thought it was more reasonable to want it when the team was dead in the water 8 weeks ago. But it’s not necessary to believe McD is a loser and a bad coach to want a change. The Eagles fired Reid famously despite being pretty successful because they never got over the hump. The Eagles won a Super Bowl before Reid did and got to a second. Does that mean Sirianni or Pederson are better coaches than Reid? Of course not. And no one would argue that, unless they were hell-bent on being foolish. Edited January 3 by FireChans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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