So how are we feeling about Coach McDermott?

[Billy Claude]

Same as it has been for the last season and a half; a very good football coach who is not very good in end game situations. Great coach for building a winner, not clear he is the guy to get you over the hump.

[teef]

3 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

For me any real discussion about McDummy still comes back to how this team has performed on the road this year:

 

@ NYJ - Loss, in overtime despite Aaron Rogers going down with season ending injury on first drive. (non playoff team)

@ WFT - Win, best overall win/performance on road but Allen and offense was not great as defense carried them (non playoff team)

* Jaguars - Loss,  I know this was technically a 'home game' but we all know what happened between the big injuries and really getting dominated from start to finish

@NE - Loss, against Mac Jones and a team that then went on to lose 5 straight after this. (non playoff team)

@ CIN - Loss, against a team that was starting to get hot before Burrows season ending injury. (non playoff team)

@ PHI - Loss, Probably Allen's best game of the year and he certainly hasn't been anywhere close to it since. Eagles have since loss every game they've played other than the Giants. (playoff team)

@ KC - Win, but probably would have lost if not for the infamous Toney Offside call on a play that would have taken the lead for the Chiefs in final minute of game. Also important to note the Bills were 1-5 away from Buffalo up until this point.  (playoff team)

@ LAC - Win, but barely against a QB with less than 5 career starts and interim head coach that has never even held a DC or OC position in the NFL. (non playoff team)

@ MIA - TBD (playoff team)

 

My point here is that regardless of the outcome on Sunday night, there's very little here to indicate this team is going to win a playoff game, especially on the road where Allen/McD have never done that.

god...you are so scared about sunday night.  this is perfect.  

[ProcessTruster]

7 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

For me any real discussion about McDummy still comes back to how this team has performed on the road this year:

 

@ NYJ - Loss, in overtime despite Aaron Rogers going down with season ending injury on first drive. (non playoff team)

@ WFT - Win, best overall win/performance on road but Allen and offense was not great as defense carried them (non playoff team)

* Jaguars - Loss,  I know this was technically a 'home game' but we all know what happened between the big injuries and really getting dominated from start to finish

@NE - Loss, against Mac Jones and a team that then went on to lose 5 straight after this. (non playoff team)

@ CIN - Loss, against a team that was starting to get hot before Burrows season ending injury. (non playoff team)

@ PHI - Loss, Probably Allen's best game of the year and he certainly hasn't been anywhere close to it since. Eagles have since loss every game they've played other than the Giants. (playoff team)

@ KC - Win, but probably would have lost if not for the infamous Toney Offside call on a play that would have taken the lead for the Chiefs in final minute of game. Also important to note the Bills were 1-5 away from Buffalo up until this point.  (playoff team)

@ LAC - Win, but barely against a QB with less than 5 career starts and interim head coach that has never even held a DC or OC position in the NFL. (non playoff team)

@ MIA - TBD (playoff team)

 

My point here is that regardless of the outcome on Sunday night, there's very little here to indicate this team is going to win a playoff game, especially on the road where Allen/McD have never done that.

why bother with all the discourse when you stated your position very clearly in your first 7 words

 

the drought did so much damage to this fan base so it is all understandable I suppose; the PTSD will probably take a full 10 years to recover from and we are only in year 5

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, teef said:

god...you are so scared about sunday night.  this is perfect.  

 

It's not going to be easy Teef...the anxiety and tension should be off the charts for all Bills fans right now.

 

Yes the Dolphins are reeling and certainly didn't look like a superbowl contender against the Ravens...but the main point is the Bills are not very good on the road this year where the Dolphins have been near flawless at home with their only loss coming in that weird Titans MNF game that they blew a 2 score lead in the final minutes.

 

A true 50/50 toss up type of game if I've ever seen one and if they let Tua and that offense get going early and build a lead I don't think the Bills win especially if keeps playing the way he has in recent weeks.

[teef]

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

 

It's not going to be easy Teef...the anxiety and tension should be off the charts for all Bills fans right now.

 

Yes the Dolphins are reeling and certainly didn't look like a superbowl contender against the Ravens...but the main point is the Bills are not very good on the road this year where the Dolphins have been near flawless at home with their only loss coming in that weird Titans MNF game that they blew a 2 score lead in the final minutes.

 

A true 50/50 toss up type of game if I've ever seen one and if they let Tua and that offense get going early and build a lead I don't think the Bills win especially if keeps playing the way he has in recent weeks.

i certainly don't think it will be an easy game, and say what you want about road wins...the bills tend to have the phins number.  road or at home.  i just enjoy you squirm at how the miami could blow this yet again this year.  lose on sunday, and the phins will be one and done in the playoffs.  it just comes down to what bills team shows up this sunday.  

[FilthyBeast]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

i certainly don't think it will be an easy game, and say what you want about road wins...the bills tend to have the phins number.  road or at home.  i just enjoy you squirm at how the miami could blow this yet again this year.  lose on sunday, and the phins will be one and done in the playoffs.  it just comes down to what bills team shows up this sunday.  

 

I'm sure you're surprised to hear this...but I agree 100% with everything you just said...especially what version of the Bills (and most importantly JA17) shows up.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

54 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Who said McD has no responsibility for building the Bills into a top franchise? I didn't.

 

When you land a Josh Allen it's pretty much a given you can sleepwalk into a top 10 franchise. He that good. 

 

The issue and the debate is why the Bills haven't been able to even sniff a super bowl. Frankly, they haven't even been close!!! There are several reasons why and one IMHO includes McD. Of course,you disagree. 

 

Should this fan base accept a good regular season as a success, playoff appearances as a success? One playoff win and out as a success? This is what we've gotten under McD. Success can be measured and interpreted in many ways. I'd argue the goalpost have dramatically moved for at least a couple of years.

 

McD continues to fall short. Not sure how Bills fans nonchalantly dismiss the 13 second nightmare and the Bengal thrashing as hoe hum. What's the next occurrence of failure? Can't wait to hear your excuse. 

Why? Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes. Same thing was said about Tony Dungy and Peyton Manning because of Belichick and Brady.

 

Did you know Ben Roethlisberger has 2 rings. Probably. But did you know he avoided having to face Tom Brady both times he won a ring?

 

I think some people would discredit McDermott if he won a ring but didn’t beat Andy Reid.

 

You keep saying he has Allen, but the other teams have better QBs. This argument works better whenever he loses to a worse QB in the playoffs. 
 

I don’t accept the general statement that he can’t win in the playoffs. The truth is he can’t beat Mahomes and Burrow, yet.

Edited January 2 by Buffalo_Stampede

[teef]

9 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

I'm sure you're surprised to hear this...but I agree 100% with everything you just said...especially what version of the Bills (and most importantly JA17) shows up.

for what it's worth, i have no idea what to expect with this game.  does super hero josh show up, or is it the bills offense of the last two weeks.  i don't even have a hunch about this game.

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Two moments from this week alone illustrate my concerns:

 

1. Josh being pissed we just did the dumb "try to make them jump" on 4th down instead of actually playing aggressively, playing TO WIN, and really going for it.

 

2. McD having to call a time out when we lined up in shotgun instead of the Tush Push. How did he not know it was that play called until they were already lined up? Is he not listening to the coach chatter while we are on offense?

it seems in general fans are applauding HC’s alertness to the situation and calling the time out.  No one seems to expect the Bills to be organized in situations calling for quick accurate decision making. 

[JackKemp]

21 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

McDermott can't do anything right.  Allen can't do anything wrong.  Am I doing it right?

This right here^^^^^^

[DrDawkinstein]

49 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

why bother with all the discourse when you stated your position very clearly in your first 7 words

 

the drought did so much damage to this fan base so it is all understandable I suppose; the PTSD will probably take a full 10 years to recover from and we are only in year 5

 

You arent responding to a Bills fan there.

[Nihilarian]

Best Buffalo Bills head coach since Marv Levy!

 

Did anyone else notice how the Buffalo Bills defense won the game against NE this past week? Who was calling the defensive plays again? 

 

Meanwhile, the Buffalo offense was falling on its face all game with missed throws, dropped passes, and bad O-line play.

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Why? Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes. Same thing was said about Tony Dungy and Peyton Manning because of Belichick and Brady.

 

Did you know Ben Roethlisberger has 2 rings. Probably. But did you know he avoided having to face Tom Brady both times he won a ring?

 

I think some people would discredit McDermott if he won a ring but didn’t beat Andy Reid.

 

You keep saying he has Allen, but the other teams have better QBs. This argument works better whenever he loses to a worse QB in the playoffs. 
 

I don’t accept the general statement that he can’t win in the playoffs. The truth is he can’t beat Mahomes and Burrow, yet.

This is hogwash. Mahomes and Burrow aren't moons ahead of Allen in talent. It's ridiculous to say Allen can't beat Mahomes or Burrow. He had Mahomes beat and the coach shi! the bed in 13 seconds. Allen has beaten Mahomes in the regular season more than once. The "yet" doesn't give you an out here. 

 

Burrow is very good but it's can be argued Josh is better. Either way there's not a huge difference to say Allen can't beat Burrow. The Bills coaching staff was abysmal in the Bengals playoff game. That's when I firmly knew McD wasn't the guy. The "yet" doesn't give you an out here. 

 

Football is a team sport led by a QB driven league. Allen has not progressed further in the playoffs not because of Allen. There's a lot of reasons and it's not that Allen can't beat Mahomes or Burrow yet.  What a crazy statement.

 

Look at coaching and game planning as a start as to why the Bills can't get over the hump. Other variables are applicable such as injuries, player execution, and team weaknesses. 

 

How many more chances do you give McD to fail?  How many more excuses?

 

Mahomes, Burrow, Reid, injuries, coordinators, special teams coach, PTSD, bad luck, etc... Pick one or more.

[Billsatlastin2018]

13 Seconds & 12 Men!

 

Only a Lombardi will change my mind.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

This is hogwash. Mahomes and Burrow aren't moons ahead of Allen in talent. It's ridiculous to say Allen can't beat Mahomes or Burrow. He had Mahomes beat and the coach shi! the bed in 13 seconds. Allen has beaten Mahomes in the regular season more than once. The "yet" doesn't give you an out here. 

 

Burrow is very good but it's can be argued Josh is better. Either way there's not a huge difference to say Allen can't beat Burrow. The Bills coaching staff was abysmal in the Bengals playoff game. That's when I firmly knew McD wasn't the guy. The "yet" doesn't give you an out here. 

 

Football is a team sport led by a QB driven league. Allen has not progressed further in the playoffs not because of Allen. There's a lot of reasons and it's not that Allen can't beat Mahomes or Burrow yet.  What a crazy statement.

 

Look at coaching and game planning as a start as to why the Bills can't get over the hump. Other variables are applicable such as injuries, player execution, and team weaknesses. 

 

How many more chances do you give McD to fail?  How many more excuses?

 

Mahomes, Burrow, Reid, injuries, coordinators, special teams coach, PTSD, bad luck, etc... Pick one or more.

Never said he can’t beat Mahomes and Burrow. You make a big argument that McDermott should make a Super Bowl because he has Allen. Losing to Burrow and Mahomes shouldn’t be considered fireable offenses is all I’m saying.

 

How many chances? I think we’re at least 2 years of missing the playoffs or 2 years of 1 and done in the playoffs before McDermott’s seat gets hot.

[BillsFanSD]

I know McDermott will be back next year, and I'm not necessarily even opposed to that, but I don't think he's the guy who's going to get us a championship.  Would love to be proven wrong, but the past several years have been the epitome of "good but not great."

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

How many chances? I think we’re at least 2 years of missing the playoffs or 2 years of 1 and done in the playoffs before McDermott’s seat gets hot.

Missing the playoffs even once with a healthy Josh Allen should immediately put you on the hot seat.  Not fired, but on notice at least.

[Since1981]

It seems we all mostly agree on two:

1. Defense and DC--McD is good. Seems above avg and he and Beane are Tetris masters in 2023.

2. Offense and OC--A last minute save at OC (day after Bronco L). Jury out, but HC gets credit for a last minute save.

 

3. Now. 3 min drill or time compressed, stress, decision? I think he's below average. for 50/50 calls, He's almost never on the positive side.

 

[HappyDays]

6 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

He is a good DC. But it's obvious he spends all his time with the Defense and practically zero time on Offense or Special Teams, as evidenced by the fact that the only unit that shows up ready to play each week is the Defense.

 

This made me realize something that I had felt but wasn't consciously thinking about. Every week over the past month or so the defense is playing with its hair on fire. They might not always perform great but they are rallying to the ball, celebrating after big plays, and just generally look they are playing like their lives are on the line week after week. When they let the opposing offense make a play they don't let it shake them, they're just on to the next play. Everybody looks like they know what their teammates around them are doing and have enough trust in their teammates to simply execute their role on the play.

 

The offense in contrast always looks a bit lethargic to me. It looks like a group of co-workers that have a pleasant enough relationship but aren't going to war for each other. When they have a bad play it often snowballs into a string of bad plays. The players openly show frustration on the field. There is often times a complete lack of cohesion. Allen and his pass catchers aren't always on the same page. The OL miscommunicates and allows free rushers.

 

I think there is really something to this.

 

Edited January 2 by HappyDays

[Toyo321]

His game mistakes this year had me calling for his head too.  Way to many bad calls on D and bad coaching decisions.

 

12 MEN on the field, 13 Seconds,  and terrible time management when there are 5 minutes or less remaining in 4th Qtrs during games.  

 

He should have gone for two points on one of the touchdowns on Sundays win versus the Pats.  Why take the chance to allow a touchdown to beat you.

 

Put your team in a position not to lose by a Touchdown, and only tie the game.  He does this way to often.  He is not a cutting edge strategist as a head coach, when it comes to real-time game decision making and the use of analytics.  He is way behind other coaches when it comes to this.

 

He needs to get to the AFC CG.  HE NEEDS TO WIN THAT GAME!!!  that will at least show progress.  That means his 1st Super Bowl apperance.

 

But the problem is I do not see this team getting 4 more straight wins with him at the helm.  He is going to have this team unprepared for a opponent and it could come as soon as this Sunday against Miami.  I don't see us losing this game but if he chokes in this game and we miss the playoffs he needs to be fired immediately.

 

No delays.  Fired right after the team lands back in Buffalo.  I just do not have any faith in this HC and his NFL competency.

 

Edited January 3 by Toyo321

[EasternOHBillsFan]

The Super Bowl window is closing, and we're stuck with him, I'm afraid... changing horses midstream will just leave an absolute mess. Us winning all of these games in a row has forced us into this corner... it would look San Diego Chargers bad if we fired him and we won at least one playoff game.