So how are we feeling about Coach McDermott?

[longtimebillsfan]

4 hours ago, Malazan said:

Short of a Superbowl, I think they need a change. There's something wrong with the way this team conducts itself. They are flat and unprepared and seem to have volatile emotional swings throughout the season and within individual games. I mean, that happens, but it's too much. The lack of consistency is their biggest problem.

Look around the league.  You are describeing 30 of the 32 teams in the NFL.  Injuries take their toll and it takes a few games to adjust.   A fact you seem to ignore. 

[McBean]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Has anyone changed their opinion of him over the last month?

 

This will be an emotional weekend. I’m prepared for a lot of McDermott threads Sunday night if things go poorly. I want to see how we’re feeling entering the biggest regular season game of his head coaching career.

Still can’t stand him as HC, but if he wins a Super Bowl this year, he can stay here forever.

 

I just want 1.

[longtimebillsfan]

4 hours ago, FireChans said:

We should check in on if Tyler Dunne’s opinion has changed.

 

anyone seen him hanging around a Wegmans parking lot?

I am sure this is hilarious, but I don't understand this reference.

[PBF81]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is by that metric we had the

7th hardest schedule in the NFL pre-season.

 

EDIT: sorry 7th.

 

Preseason?  

 

Why does that matter?  

 

Also, that 2014 team was led by Orton, as we've discussed in the past.  A washed-up Jackson was our RB.  So to go only a game better with Allen and Cook would seem to be seriously underachieving, the reasons notwithstanding.  

 

That 2004 team was led by Bledsoe.  Same there.  

 

 

[bobobonators]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Has anyone changed their opinion of him over the last month?

 

This will be an emotional weekend. I’m prepared for a lot of McDermott threads Sunday night if things go poorly. I want to see how we’re feeling entering the biggest regular season game of his head coaching career.

Im at where I’ve always been at:  he stays as long as the team is playing hard and winning. We are still doing both of those things. When we have back to back 8-9 seasons then we can start talking about replacing him. 
 

I believe since 2019 or 2020 only Andy Reid has more wins than McD. 

5 hours ago, Malazan said:

Short of a Superbowl, I think they need a change. There's something wrong with the way this team conducts itself. They are flat and unprepared and seem to have volatile emotional swings throughout the season and within individual games. I mean, that happens, but it's too much. The lack of consistency is their biggest problem.

As in my previous post, since 2019 or 2020 (I can’t remember now) only Andy Reid has more wins than McD. That’s pretty consistent. 
 

I just checked - the Bills have the 2nd most regular seasons wins since 2019. The Chiefs are #1. 
 

Yeh, let’s fire McD. Fire Beane too!

Edited January 2 by bobobonators

[GunnerBill]

49 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Preseason?  

 

Why does that matter?  

 

Also, that 2014 team was led by Orton, as we've discussed in the past.  A washed-up Jackson was our RB.  So to go only a game better with Allen and Cook would seem to be seriously underachieving, the reasons notwithstanding.  

 

That 2004 team was led by Bledsoe.  Same there.  

 

 

 

I haven't seen an updated metric. Id be surprised if the Bills have had many seasons with 6 games against 10 win teams. 

 

And if the Bills lose on Sunday they have underachieved. There is no dispute about that.

Edited January 2 by GunnerBill

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I haven't seen an updated metric. Id be surprised if the Bills have had many seasons with 6 games against 10 win teams. 

 

And if the Bills lose on Sunday they have underachieved. There is no dispute about that.

 

Well, so far, and if we include Miami twice, we'll have faced only five 10-win teams.  

 

Anytime there's been a 10-win team in the division, that's two games.  

 

But by the same vein, how many times have we played 7 teams with 6 or fewer wins.  

 

We played five 10-win teams in 2021.  

 

We played seven 10-win teams in 2020.  

 

 

[HappyDays]

Ask me after the season. Before the season my belief was that the Bills would coast into the #2 or #3 seed with ease but likely fall short of the #1 seed. So I never planned on using the regular season as a measuring stick. I said before the season if McDermott once again has us lose a disappointing playoff game short of the AFCCG I would want to replace him. For me a competitive loss in the AFCCG is the absolute floor of what I would be comfortable with to keep McDermott another year.

 

Of course the regular season went worse than I expected and now we are fighting for our playoff lives. If we beat Miami and get in, McDermott will genuinely have done a great job down the stretch getting the team back on track for a playoff run with a very impressive win streak over a tough stretch of games. Still my initial feelings before the season won't have changed - I need to see him prove he can have this team prepared for a Super Bowl, not a mere playoff appearance which now is just the floor. So playoff success will still be my measuring stick.

 

If we flat out miss the playoffs I'll feel hopeless going into next season knowing that our head coach isn't the one and counting the days until he's fired, hopefully before it's too late to grace Allen's career with at least one championship.

 

Edited January 2 by HappyDays

[Malazan]

2 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Look around the league.  You are describeing 30 of the 32 teams in the NFL.  Injuries take their toll and it takes a few games to adjust.   A fact you seem to ignore. 

 

It's been going back to last season so not sure how much longer they'd need to adjust to injuries that happened this season.. last season. That's some strange time loop you've conceived of there..

2 hours ago, bobobonators said:

Yeh, let’s fire McD. Fire Beane too!

 

Not sure what you have against Beane. The rest of us are talking about McDermott. Oh, there's something else that slightly different about Reid and McDermott... can't quite remember what it is, but I feel there's 2 of them.

[Kincaid Kool-Aid]

Let’s see how the rest of the year plays out. That said, assuming we don’t get at least to the super bowl, all bets should be off and I’m fine moving on if Beane feels strongly about an offensive minded coach to shake things up. As others have said, the problem a defensive head coach presents is losing offensive coordinators every 2-3 years if they’re any good. Would love to have the next Andy Reid to give Josh stability and let them hire a top d coordinator to handle that side.

Edited January 2 by Kincaid Kool-Aid

[newcam2012]

29 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Ask me after the season. Before the season my belief was that the Bills would coast into the #2 or #3 seed with ease but likely fall short of the #1 seed. So I never planned on using the regular season as a measuring stick. I said before the season if McDermott once again has us lose a disappointing playoff game short of the AFCCG I would want to replace him. For me a competitive loss in the AFCCG is the absolute floor of what I would be comfortable with to keep McDermott another year.

 

Of course the regular season went worse than I expected and now we are fighting for our playoff lives. If we beat Miami and get in, McDermott will genuinely have done a great job down the stretch getting the team back on track for a playoff run with a very impressive win streak over a tough stretch of games. Still my initial feelings before the season won't have changed - I need to see him prove he can have this team prepared for a Super Bowl, not a mere playoff appearance which now is just the floor. So playoff success will still be my measuring stick.

 

If we flat out miss the playoffs I'll feel hopeless going into next season knowing that our head coach isn't the one and counting the days until he's fired, hopefully before it's too late to grace Allen's career with at least one championship.

 

Took the words right out of my mouth. I couldn't agree more. 👍

[ProcessTruster]

I don't put a lot on the HC.   The OC and DC call the plays.  The positional assistants drill the players.  The players play the games.   The HC is mainly a coordinating person who gets the last say when needed, which isn't very often.   

 

So if you have great OC and DC and other staff, it is totally disfunctional to fire the HC bc that means a new HC replaces all the staff, setting the players and field performance back months/years.  

 

McD is obviously much more agressive than Frazier and the defense is much more an attacking defense.  Frazier watched the defense, McD actually calls the defense play by play.  

 

I think it is insane to replace McD and set everything back by years.  Why would you do this?   Winning and losing games in the NFL is a knifes edge right now, I want as much stability as I can. 

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

I don't put a lot on the HC.   The OC and DC call the plays.  The positional assistants drill the players.  The players play the games.   The HC is mainly a coordinating person who gets the last say when needed, which isn't very often.   

 

So if you have great OC and DC and other staff, it is totally disfunctional to fire the HC bc that means a new HC replaces all the staff, setting the players and field performance back months/years.  

 

McD is obviously much more agressive than Frazier and the defense is much more an attacking defense.  Frazier watched the defense, McD actually calls the defense play by play.  

 

I think it is insane to replace McD and set everything back by years.  Why would you do this?   Winning and losing games in the NFL is a knifes edge right now, I want as much stability as I can. 

Replacing McD and setting everything back by years is not true! 

 

A coaching change could have the opposite effect and propell the team forward. 

 

Both are unknowns. What's know is McD hasn't been able to get this team over the top with one of the best QBs in the league. 

 

Arguments on both sides for and against McD exist. Fear of change shouldn't be one of them. 

Edited January 2 by newcam2012

[Matt_In_NH]

11 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

People don’t like to be wrong. 
 

They’ll always be too hard on McDermott no matter what. 

Unless they win the SB.....that is the one and only thing that will shut (most) people up.

11 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

This thread amazes me. 
 

You guy would rather have Hank Bullough?

Or Jim Ringo?

Or Kay Stephenson?

 

4 out of every 5 Bills coaches have been losers. Chumps. Under .500. 
 

Yet you want to take one of most winning Bills ever and toss him aside after a winning season?

 

SM H

 

I am not a fire him guy but the chances of getting a Bullough are pretty much zero.   Coaches will be falling all over themselves to get the job with the freedom the owner allows and the guy they have at QB. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

14 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Totally understandable. What fans fail to understand is we have the expectation of Super Bowl because McDermott has built those expectations. 

 

No we don't. We have those expectations because we have a top 3 franchise QB. 

[Gregg]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Replacing McD and setting everything back by years is not true! 

 

A coaching change could have the opposite effect and propell the team forward. 

 

Both are unknowns. What's know is McD hasn't been able to get this team over the top with one of the best QBs in the league. 

 

Arguments on both sides for abd against McD exist. Fear of change shouldn't be one of them. 

 

Agreed. Look at what the Texans have become with DeMeco Ryans or the Lions with Dan Campbell. McDermott has been here 7 years. His regular season record is very good, but the lack of playoff success is why I want to move on from him. I don't think he will lead the Bills to a Super Bowl Championship at this point. IMHO.

Edited January 2 by Gregg

[Buffalo_Stampede]

19 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

No we don't. We have those expectations because we have a top 3 franchise QB. 

And McDermott created the structure and support to develop that QB. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

And McDermott created the structure and support to develop that QB. 

No he didn't. In fact he did just the opposite. 

Beane got Allen Diggs. McD has created unnecessary tension with our superstar WR. 

McD has botched the OC hires terribly. He and Beane failed to recognize Teller was a future star. Even now McD keeps Murray active while Fournette sits on the PS. 

McD benches the #1 RB after a fumble.  How did that help Allen?

Allen wins despite McD not the other way around. 

[Homey D. Clown]

I have now gone from an objective critic, but not an outright apologist, to a ride or die kind of guy.  To see what he and his coaching staff has had to endure and work through to get to 10 wins with the kind of injuries and piss poor play at the QB position at times, I am now all in.

 

I'm sorry to those who gripe about clock management, and going soft on defense (see all 22 from Philly, he clearly did not), he's a rather solid coach, and I don't think you're going to find a single coach out there who would have done better, let alone produce what this team has.  not one.  This team belives in him, and that can't be measured in my opinion.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

No he didn't. In fact he did just the opposite. 

Beane got Allen Diggs. McD has created unnecessary tension with our superstar WR. 

McD has botched the OC hires terribly. He and Beane failed to recognize Teller was a future star. Even now McD keeps Murray active while Fournette sits on the PS. 

McD benches the #1 RB after a fumble.  How did that help Allen?

Allen wins despite McD not the other way around. 

Unbelievable people believe this stuff. The fact that McDermott is also responsible for Brandon Beane should’ve stopped you from posting this.

 

McDermott built everything!