ESPN/Barnwell’s All-Pro teams (find the one Bill)

[boyst]

Oliver and Ferguson are the only all pros

[PBF81]

  On 1/1/2024 at 2:39 PM, BRH said:

McD should be coach of the year if he gets the team to a #2 seed with this little talent.  🤣

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He might be COTY if we had the 1st Seed locked up.  The only reason why we're in it for the 2nd Seed, is because the AFCS and AFCW are as weak as they've been in years.  

 

 

[boyst]

  On 1/1/2024 at 11:49 PM, PBF81 said:

 

He might be COTY if we had the 1st Seed locked up.  The only reason why we're in it for the 2nd Seed, is because the AFCS and AFCW are as weak as they've been in years.  

 

 

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What's absolutely insane is looking at the NFC. They have so many in the middle 8-8 teams and below but everyone swear the NFC is dominant 

[PBF81]

  On 1/2/2024 at 12:08 AM, boyst said:

What's absolutely insane is looking at the NFC. They have so many in the middle 8-8 teams and below but everyone swear the NFC is dominant 

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Weird year for sure.  Look at the South divisions.  LOL. 6 of the 8 teams 7-9 to 9-7.  Only SF and KC as double-digit win teams in the West divisions, KC barely.  It was obvious that this was going to be a much rougher year for KC.  

 

As to the NFC, hasn't it always just been the Eagles, Dallas, and Niners this season though?  Both Dallas and Philly appear to be folding late in the season.  Neither has any significant momentum going into the playoffs.  

 

This is one of those seasons that seems to illustrate the "parity" of the league.  

 

What do you think are the two best teams from each conference?  

 

 

[Sierra Foothills]

  On 1/1/2024 at 3:00 PM, Yobogoya! said:

I can't say a guy's just being a hater if he puts Trent Williams and Tyron Smith ahead of Dion.

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Problem with Tryon is he’s only played 12 games. I think Trent has missed games too. 

[RyanC883]

Bernard and Oliver should be on any list. 

Edited January 2, 2024 by RyanC883

[BarleyNY]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39216134/nfl-all-pro-team-2023-barnwell-50-best-players-every-position

 

Here is a link. I can quibble about whether some players should be first vs. second team, but the selections are very difficult to argue with overall. Certainly a case can be made for Allen over Purdy, but Purdy is a defensible selection as #2. But that's it. We have some very good players who have done well this season, but not top 4. Oliver has been very good, but he was not a top 4 DT in the league. Ditto Douglas at CB and Cook at RB.

Edited January 2, 2024 by BarleyNY

[Don Otreply]

That’s it! Get somebody to hamstring his azs asap…, that and those Azs holes at pff…,

 

 

 

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[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Am I wrong in thinking Lamar has no chance in being named a first team all-pro QB this year? 

 

Yes, he'll likely win the MVP but that is an entirely different award. An award that has almost as much to do with team success as actual individual dominance on the field. I see all three of Dak, Purdy and Allen having better chances of being named all-pro QB's this year. 

[LeGOATski]

  On 1/2/2024 at 2:45 AM, BarleyNY said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39216134/nfl-all-pro-team-2023-barnwell-50-best-players-every-position

 

Here is a link. I can quibble about whether some players should be first vs. second team, but the selections are very difficult to argue with overall. Certainly a case can be made for Allen over Purdy, but Purdy is a defensible selection as #2. But that's it. We have some very good players who have done well this season, but not top 4. Oliver has been very good, but he was not a top 4 DT in the league. Ditto Douglas at CB and Cook at RB.

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Purdy is indefensible. He's an average QB. All Pro team should be superstars. Purdy can be in the Pro Bowl.

[BarleyNY]

  On 1/2/2024 at 6:09 AM, LeGOATski said:

Purdy is indefensible. He's an average QB. All Pro team should be superstars. Purdy can be in the Pro Bowl.

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Saying Purdy isn’t too 2 would be reasonable, but calling him average is ridiculous. He’s first or near the top of every meaningful statistical category. Sure, Shanahan is an offensive genius, but no other QB has done this in his system. I’m not sure how much more you could ask of your QB. 

[NewEra]

  On 1/2/2024 at 12:42 PM, BarleyNY said:

Saying Purdy isn’t too 2 would be reasonable, but calling him average is ridiculous. He’s first or near the top of every meaningful statistical category. Sure, Shanahan is an offensive genius, but no other QB has done this in his system. I’m not sure how much more you could ask of your QB. 

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  On 1/2/2024 at 6:09 AM, LeGOATski said:

Purdy is indefensible. He's an average QB. All Pro team should be superstars. Purdy can be in the Pro Bowl.

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He might be an average QB if he played for the cardinals or patriots. 

 

But he’s not- he’s on SF and played at a level far above average.  The awards are given out based on how you actually played-  not how you would have played on a different team.  

[BarleyNY]

  On 1/2/2024 at 5:53 AM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Am I wrong in thinking Lamar has no chance in being named a first team all-pro QB this year? 

 

Yes, he'll likely win the MVP but that is an entirely different award. An award that has almost as much to do with team success as actual individual dominance on the field. I see all three of Dak, Purdy and Allen having better chances of being named all-pro QB's this year. 

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I think that Allen’s chances improve dramatically if the Bills get the number two seed. Still, I think it’ll be Lamar and Purdy for first and second All-Pro. Their teams having the number one seeds being the easy tiebreaker. 

[John from Riverside]

Bernard should at least get a mention

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

  On 1/2/2024 at 1:21 PM, BarleyNY said:

I think that Allen’s chances improve dramatically if the Bills get the number two seed. Still, I think it’ll be Lamar and Purdy for first and second All-Pro. Their teams having the number one seeds being the easy tiebreaker. 

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Isn't all-pro mostly a stats award though? Lamar even with having been playing better these last few weeks is still behind a few of the QB's in both efficiency and total numbers. In the past MVP and all pro QB's have usually aligned but that's also been because the MVP's of recent memory have also happened to clearly lead the league in yards, TD's and efficiency for the most part. 

[JerseyBills]

Oliver, Dawkins and Rasul should have a chance irl

[C.Biscuit97]

  On 1/2/2024 at 3:25 PM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Isn't all-pro mostly a stats award though? Lamar even with having been playing better these last few weeks is still behind a few of the QB's in both efficiency and total numbers. In the past MVP and all pro QB's have usually aligned but that's also been because the MVP's of recent memory have also happened to clearly lead the league in yards, TD's and efficiency for the most part. 

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It’s voted on by a panel of nfl media. 

[blitzboy54]

Bill Barnwell is a caricature of a football analytics sportswriter.   

Edited January 2, 2024 by blitzboy54

[LeGOATski]

  On 1/2/2024 at 12:55 PM, NewEra said:

 

He might be an average QB if he played for the cardinals or patriots. 

 

But he’s not- he’s on SF and played at a level far above average.  The awards are given out based on how you actually played-  not how you would have played on a different team.  

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It's too reliant on stats. Purdy has great stats. That doesn't make him an All Pro calibre player in my mind, but I understand why it gets him the votes.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

  On 1/2/2024 at 5:03 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

It’s voted on by a panel of nfl media. 

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I believe they are the same as the MVP voters correct?