BADOLBILZ Posted January 1 Posted January 1 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I was slightly surprised when I saw it this morning but Shakir's 39 yards yesterday took him over 500 for the season to 506. Fair jump from 161 as a rook. He has definitely developed. He is more physical, he has learnt the nuance of NFL spacing and his hands have been much better: two drops in 20 targets last year; 0 in 39 targets this year. He is definitely someone who can contribute here on a very cheap deal the next two years as a 5th round pick. Yeah he's effectively filled the role as WR4 that Gabe had in his first couple seasons. He does it differently, with YAC instead of getting over top of the defense like Gabe.........but effectively similar results........he stacks up yards when defense's lose track of him. Problem is the WR2 Gabe continues to be a disappointment and Stef Diggs is playing like a shadow of his former self...........and the 3rd option is either Cook or Kincaid and a RB and possession receiving(at this stage) TE aren't as impactful in those roles if the 2 main ingredients aren't excellent. It's why, despite some promising young talent they have their worst WR corps since 2019. 1 Quote
DJB Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Shakir is a suitable number 3 inside . A young #2 outside WR with potential to be a #1 is a HUGE need. Diggs won’t be around forever Quote
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 1 Posted January 1 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I was slightly surprised when I saw it this morning but Shakir's 39 yards yesterday took him over 500 for the season to 506. Fair jump from 161 as a rook. He has definitely developed. He is more physical, he has learnt the nuance of NFL spacing and his hands have been much better: two drops in 20 targets last year; 0 in 39 targets this year. He is definitely someone who can contribute here on a very cheap deal the next two years as a 5th round pick. I get Tyler Boyd vibes from this guy. 19 minutes ago, Roundybout said: He’s basically a Tyler Boyd. He’s a good, solid WR3 but not a game-wrecker. He seems to run good routes and has nice hands, but not a ton of speed or shiftiness. Wow great minds think alike! I think he has a bit more of that than you’re giving him credit. He also can get dirty in the ground game and isn’t afraid to block. 1 Quote
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 1 Posted January 1 7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah he's effectively filled the role as WR4 that Gabe had in his first couple seasons. He does it differently, with YAC instead of getting over top of the defense like Gabe.........but effectively similar results........he stacks up yards when defense's lose track of him. Problem is the WR2 Gabe continues to be a disappointment and Stef Diggs is playing like a shadow of his former self...........and the 3rd option is either Cook or Kincaid and a RB and possession receiving(at this stage) TE aren't as impactful in those roles if the 2 main ingredients aren't excellent. It's why, despite some promising young talent they have their worst WR corps since 2019. I think Beane would admit that they needed to do more the past few seasons. IMO they instead chose to upgrade the OL and took some shorts at some low tier FAs, he missed. Cant fix it all at once. The OL is intact at least through next season. Next year HAS to be the year, and they should double down and grab two Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted January 1 Posted January 1 4 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: I get Tyler Boyd vibes from this guy. Wow great minds think alike! I think he has a bit more of that than you’re giving him credit. He also can get dirty in the ground game and isn’t afraid to block. Nah, c'mon. Boyd is a big rangy, long armed possession receiver. 6'2" with 32" arms. Shakir is a small target. He is about 6' tall but with arms the same length as the 5'6" Deonte Harty at 28". Not really an option outside because of that lack of length and when they've tried to use him on deep throws he's had trouble tracking the ball. So he is going to be a slot guy only. They've done a good job of keeping his throws short and intermediate this season and letting him do what he does best........run after the catch. He's like a RB with the ball in his hands. He's an unusual type.........it's hard to draw a reasonable comparison. Quote
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: Nah, c'mon. Boyd is a big rangy, long armed possession receiver. 6'2" with 32" arms. Shakir is a small target. He is about 6' tall but with arms the same length as the 5'6" Deonte Harty at 28". Not really an option outside because of that lack of length and when they've tried to use him on deep throws he's had trouble tracking the ball. So he is going to be a slot guy only. They've done a good job of keeping his throws short and intermediate this season and letting him do what he does best........run after the catch. He's like a RB with the ball in his hands. He's an unusual type.........it's hard to draw a reasonable comparison. I suppose I meant more about his nature as a player than his measurables. WR3 reliably moving the chains. Does well with the ball in his hands. Nagging for defenses. Blocks. Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted January 1 Posted January 1 2 hours ago, mannc said: Just curious…is signing Tee Higgins a possibility (from a cap perspective) for the Bills? As our number of wins goes up, our odds of getting an immediate impact WR2/future WR1 in the draft goes down…Higgins seems like he would be a nice fit here. I would rather draft a young talented WR that can contribute and develop on a cheaper contract. I'm on the Xavier Legette/Adonai Mitchell train Quote
Warcodered Posted January 1 Posted January 1 6 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I would rather draft a young talented WR that can contribute and develop on a cheaper contract. I'm on the Xavier Legette/Adonai Mitchell train I wouldn't mind doing both, and or having more flexibility in the draft. Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted January 1 Posted January 1 11 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: I think Beane would admit that they needed to do more the past few seasons. IMO they instead chose to upgrade the OL and took some shorts at some low tier FAs, he missed. Cant fix it all at once. The OL is intact at least through next season. Next year HAS to be the year, and they should double down and grab two I think they got a bit too fixated on defense at the expense of WR talent. I didn't hate the Von Miller contract and still think Elam will become a very good NFL starting CB...........but defensive talent wasn't the biggest area of concern for me going into that post-13-seconds offseason. It was WR. Job #1 is to make your QB look good. Putting their biggest chips into the defense was a gamble, IMO. They should have come out of that offseason with their future WR1........whether it were via trade or draft. What's frustrating is that they had already made this mistake in 2019 when they passed on a bunch of WR's in the draft in favor of trading up for Cody Ford.......then had to turn around and deal their #1 pick in an elite 2020 WR class to get a veteran WR1 because they'd fallen behind by passing on guys like Metcalf and AJ Brown. That should have told them in their mind that they were going to have to go back to the well at WR in round 1 in the next couple drafts........but they did not. Beane has been a step too slow at the position..........and because he was so terrible with the cap early in his tenure it's kept them a step behind. 4 Quote
JaCrispy Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Liking what Shakir is becoming…we will still need a top WR target in the offseason 1 1 Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted January 1 Posted January 1 16 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: I suppose I meant more about his nature as a player than his measurables. WR3 reliably moving the chains. Does well with the ball in his hands. Nagging for defenses. Blocks. Yeah and the other thing.........this year........is that he's catching the ball like Boyd. In 2021 Boyd did not drop a pass all regular season. Shakir has had that distinction in 2023 so far(after an awful, drop plagued camp and preseason). Boyd was a poor man's WR1 on a bad offense prior to Higgins and Chase arriving........I don't think Shakir is capable of that due to his physical limitations............but top WR1 and WR1B talent did allow the Bengals to use Boyd for more simple work in the slot like Shakir is getting now. The big-boy football at WR is played outside........if your offense is good out there it opens up the middle. Doesn't really work the same the other way around. So that's where some of the people like @SWATeamwho try to tally the individual value of guys like Shakir, Kincaid, Knox and Cook lose perspective. 1 Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 1 Posted January 1 It took McDermott a year and a half to trust who he is as a person, but we finally got there. Quote
Andrew Son Posted January 1 Posted January 1 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah and the other thing.........this year........is that he's catching the ball like Boyd. In 2021 Boyd did not drop a pass all regular season. Shakir has had that distinction in 2023 so far(after an awful, drop plagued camp and preseason). Boyd was a poor man's WR1 on a bad offense prior to Higgins and Chase arriving........I don't think Shakir is capable of that due to his physical limitations............but top WR1 and WR1B talent did allow the Bengals to use Boyd for more simple work in the slot like Shakir is getting now. The big-boy football at WR is played outside........if your offense is good out there it opens up the middle. Doesn't really work the same the other way around. So that's where some of the people like @SWATeamwho try to tally the individual value of guys like Shakir, Kincaid, Knox and Cook lose perspective. Yeah, it would be nice if we also had a top option on the outside… Quote
Mike in Horseheads Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1 minute ago, SWATeam said: Yeah, it would be nice if we also had a top option on the outside… Glad you haven't "lost perspective" Quote
Andrew Son Posted January 1 Posted January 1 5 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Glad you haven't "lost perspective" Careful. You're dangerously close to getting this discussion tied into Orioles ownership! 2 Quote
RyanC883 Posted January 1 Posted January 1 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yea one of them breaking out into a star (and Cook is close IMO) would be huge. But they still need another weapon with some speed outside. I’d draft top route runner in round 1 (eventual Diggs replacement) and physical specimen in Rd. 2 (big/fast). Not sure who these guys are though 🤷♂️ Quote
BarleyNY Posted January 1 Posted January 1 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I was slightly surprised when I saw it this morning but Shakir's 39 yards yesterday took him over 500 for the season to 506. Fair jump from 161 as a rook. He has definitely developed. He is more physical, he has learnt the nuance of NFL spacing and his hands have been much better: two drops in 20 targets last year; 0 in 39 targets this year. He is definitely someone who can contribute here on a very cheap deal the next two years as a 5th round pick. Yup. He may never be a #1 or #2 WR, but he can contribute to the success of this team and he has a place on our roster. Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) 26 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Yeah, it would be nice if we also had a top option on the outside… It would be nice if they had 2.........but yeah they haven't even had one with Diggs struggling lately. That's why the weekly passing yardage stats are resembling the Tyrod Taylor days despite the Bills having a stud QB now. Even more concerning is that they don't even have a single young boundary WR of note in development either. Both of their primary boundary WR's in 2025 might not be on this roster now and both could very well be in their first 2 seasons in the NFL. So yeah, it's a huge concern now and going forward. Edited January 1 by BADOLBILZ 2 Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted January 1 Posted January 1 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I was slightly surprised when I saw it this morning but Shakir's 39 yards yesterday took him over 500 for the season to 506. Fair jump from 161 as a rook. He has definitely developed. He is more physical, he has learnt the nuance of NFL spacing and his hands have been much better: two drops in 20 targets last year; 0 in 39 targets this year. He is definitely someone who can contribute here on a very cheap deal the next two years as a 5th round pick. I was banging the drum on him all offseason and all season long and really since the moment he was drafted. He should have gotten more opportunities last year, but Dorsey just wasn't good at utilizing the talent on the roster. He continued to ignore him for the first part of this season too, and had he not, Shakir might be closer to 700-800 yards. He just keeps making plays, and I would like to see them still get him more involved, I think he is capable of playing a Beasley role here and could deliver that level of production if he had the target share to do so. Quote
MiracleAtRich1393 Posted January 1 Posted January 1 38 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: I’d draft top route runner in round 1 (eventual Diggs replacement) and physical specimen in Rd. 2 (big/fast). Not sure who these guys are though 🤷♂️ My guy Malik Nabers gives you a lot from both buckets, might as well trade up if he's falling, wouldn't mind sending next year's day 1 or day 2 pick along with several this year if needed 1 Quote
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