What's Wrong With The Passing O?

[Nuncha]

Diggs is toast.

[NickelCity]

As others have noted, it's a lack of separation across the board and an inability when necessary to "scheme someone open" on specific play designs.

 

It's hard to imagine us going the distance with these pass catchers but I'll bellieve nonetheless.

[thenorthremembers]

32 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

Josh’s mechanics have regressed this year. His footwork sucks, he throws off his back foot all the time, he’s not seeing the field and his accuracy blows.

 

I love him. Ride or die. He’s also the reason we’ve won 10 games.

 

It doesn’t help that his o-line is letting free rushers regularly, his receivers don’t separate, when they do they drop the ball,  his #1 has been MIA for 5 weeks, and most importantly his OC had 2 good games and now can’t pull a game plan out of his ass.

 

I have no idea what the plan is going forward. Become a run first team with Cook/Josh and play the short game? Go 5 wide and let Josh loose and start chucking it all over? 

 

Still think we crush Miami

 

 

 

 

Couldnt have said it better.   Throws off back foot.   Uses all arm to throw the ball instead of letting his hips help.  Doesnt reset outside the pocket.   He is all over the place.    He has also been incredibly indecisive.   Really need him to get it together next week.      

Edited January 1 by thenorthremembers

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, Aimee75 said:

Yeah, I get that Diggs is double covered, but he has been shockingly dropping some catches or not coming up with the ones in years past that he was always good for. It has been tossed around that he might be hurt? I don't think NOW is the right time for him to start the cryptic stuff that he is doing right now on SM. He also needs to take some accountability. Really don't want to roll into Miami with him pouting.

 

I blame Harty for bringing Dance Dance Revolution into the locker room. Here's an approximation of a Diggs Run-After-Catch, performed by a cat:

 

[The 9 Isles]

I think the YAC issue is mainly to do with Allen’s ball placement. He rarely hits a receiver in stride and leads a lot of throws out of bounds. I understand that some of that is designed to prevent turnovers but at the same time there are receivers on occasion open and either have to slow down or adjust or get over thrown. 

[BADOLBILZ]

17 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Remember Woods playing with a torn groin and Hogan playing with torn ligaments in his wrist in their contract years, and both injuries clearly affected their play in retrospect (ie, the one year in his entire career that Hogan had the drops). Yet the injuries were never reported, and both had surgery immediately after the season.

 

Also, Diggs is pulling himself out constantly, which is so against type that I believe it HAS to be an injury.

 

 

I believe it's a back injury for Diggs.   I think it was reported that he had  a back injury earlier in the season.   But also,  Brady has killed the pass game in general.    Everybody but Cook looks worse in the pass game with Brady than they had with Dorsey.   The sample size is just small enough and people are still feeling sated about the Dorsey firing that they haven't gotten around to their pitchforks just yet.     

[balln]

47 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I think this is the biggest difference between this year and last year. Last year Diggs was playing at an all-pro type level. This year on the whole he’s playing as a middle of the pack #1 WR. Recently he has not even been that. Drops, not getting separation, not fighting for contested balls. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if we find out he’s injured and playing through it.

 

Gabe Davis is also somehow worse. I think Allen has stopped throwing it his way because bad things happen.

30 year old wall. Was bound to happen

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

We came into the season knowing that we didn't have a #2 WR on the roster. Now it turns out we don't have a true #1 either. We have no speed, no YAC ability, below average separation and catch ability from our WR corps. That's why our passing offense has looked so inconsistent, there is zero margin for error.

 

And all of the above, Hap, is going on in real time and is happening in their heads.

 

Just thinking about the passing game has the whole offense in fetal positions on the floor in their minds with their fingers in the ears going “na-na-na-na-na-na-na.”
 

They need to shake it the hell off, do something different through the air or go slump busting.

 

and soon.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 1 by dollars 2 donuts

[BADOLBILZ]

Just now, The 9 Isles said:

I think the YAC issue is mainly to do with Allen’s ball placement. He rarely hits a receiver in stride and leads a lot of throws out of bounds. I understand that some of that is designed to prevent turnovers but at the same time there are receivers on occasion open and either have to slow down or adjust or get over thrown. 

 

 

Josh needs a lot less golf and a lot more work on his mechanics and chemistry with his receivers this coming offseason.   He talked about getting back to his offseason mechanics training in the postgame today........but he's clearly not putting in the work he was prior to the 2021 season.    After 13 seconds I think he thought he had neared the pinnacle of his profession but he's regressed back closer to Cam Newton 2.0 than the passer he was then.   Time for him to get serious about winning before his own talent regresses back to the pack.

[BRH]

1 hour ago, Aimee75 said:

Cryptic IG story. I might not have thought too much about it if he didn't look so pissed in the Bills "big dubs" post. I do like that he doesn't tolerate losing or even playing bad, but if you get the win, it helps, and going into a massive game next week, we don't need drama. I just feel like this season he has been teetering on boiling over.

 

What cryptic IG story?

 

I just looked at his account and his last post was on the 18th and his story, which didn't seem cryptic at all, was posted this morning.

 

You keep bringing this up.  Not sure what your agenda is here.

[SoonerBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I believe it's a back injury for Diggs.   I think it was reported that he had  a back injury earlier in the season.   But also,  Brady has killed the pass game in general.    Everybody but Cook looks worse in the pass game with Brady than they had with Dorsey.   The sample size is just small enough and people are still feeling sated about the Dorsey firing that they haven't gotten around to their pitchforks just yet.     

Dorsey isn't the answer.  I still want an offensive HC that brings a WCO approach.

[TFBillsfan]

Wouldn’t the Bills get significantly fined for not reporting an injury to Diggs?  I’d be surprised if he’s hurt. 

[The 9 Isles]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Josh needs a lot less golf and a lot more work on his mechanics and chemistry with his receivers this coming offseason.   He talked about getting back to his offseason mechanics training in the postgame today........but he's clearly not putting in the work he was prior to the 2021 season.    After 13 seconds I think he thought he had neared the pinnacle of his profession but he's regressed back closer to Cam Newton 2.0 than the passer he was then.   Time for him to get serious about winning before his own talent regresses back to the pack.

You see the way some of the most successful QBs in history prepare, get proper nutrition, specialized coach or mentors and as much as I love the guy I sure doesn’t appear he has that type of work ethic. 

[Don Otreply]

53 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I think this is probably right, but I'm not confident they know how to scheme receivers open.

Brady can do it but he will have to learn by doing, jmo. 

[Drew21PA]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

That Murray one stands out - soft pass, right on the hands, would have been a 1st down at mid-field. 

 

They scored after that. Had we kept going that drive & gotten even a FG - it's a whole different game.

 

That one was huge

 

a couple other first down receptions Josh our right on the hands in the right soot

 

but that Murray one was annoying 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

We came into the season knowing that we didn't have a #2 WR on the roster. Now it turns out we don't have a true #1 either. We have no speed, no YAC ability, below average separation and catch ability from our WR corps. That's why our passing offense has looked so inconsistent, there is zero margin for error.

All 100% true.  This team needs an injection of new young receivers.  I like the prospect of Shakir & Kincaid but Stef & Gabe are becoming non factors.  And Josh was an inaccurate mess today. 

[BananaB]

Lmao. Back to it being about mechanics and off-season. I watched 3 games this weekend and I see WRs on 5 teams all getting  separation making easy throws for the QB except the Bills. I’m not sure why, is it the WRs or the OC. I don’t get why sometimes it looks so easy for everyone else but us. Sure Josh might be off but he shouldn’t have to be perfect on every pass. 

[JoshAllin]

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I believe it's a back injury for Diggs.   I think it was reported that he had  a back injury earlier in the season.  

Don't think it's an injury for Diggs, I mean Metcalf had a lower back injury and still balled out with 100+ yrds

Edited January 1 by motorj

[dave mcbride]

14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I believe it's a back injury for Diggs.   I think it was reported that he had  a back injury earlier in the season.   But also,  Brady has killed the pass game in general.    Everybody but Cook looks worse in the pass game with Brady than they had with Dorsey.   The sample size is just small enough and people are still feeling sated about the Dorsey firing that they haven't gotten around to their pitchforks just yet.     

I think they need to do a real interview process next year for OC. I worry that Brady is riding his Cowboys game high still. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

Pass protection was pretty bad today. The O-line is much improved this season and has been good overall, but this game was a bad one. 

 

Drops. Been a problem all year.

 

Deep throws. Do none of our WR understand that you have to fight back through the defender on an underthrown ball? It's an easy DPI call and our guys tend to just keep running forward and let the throw fall near them rather than make a play on it.