BananaB Posted January 1 Posted January 1 At this point last year we had Diggs, Davis, McKenzie and Shakir. Beane had to go get Brown and Beasley because of the struggles. Now we have Diggs, Davis and Shakir. Harty and Sherfield combined are less valuable than McKenzie alone at this point. Beane cheaped out like he always does on offense. 1 Quote
FireChans Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1 minute ago, BananaB said: At this point last year we had Diggs, Davis, McKenzie and Shakir. Beane had to go get Brown and Beasley because of the struggles. Now we have Diggs, Davis and Shakir. Harty and Sherfield combined are less valuable than McKenzie alone at this point. Beane cheaped out like he always does on offense. He didn’t cheap out. He overpaid for a total zero. 1 2 Quote
HappyDays Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) 13 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I thought the one today had enough air under it tbh Like I said earlier it's a very low margin for error pass because Diggs has average speed and average catch radius. You have to drop that pass in the bucket or else it's incomplete and if you underthrow it there's a chance it's picked. It would nice to see us hit a deep shot to Diggs one of these weeks but it's inherently low percentage. Personally I would just take those shot plays out of the playbook. Every wasted down creates a massive strain because, again, it's an inherently low margin for error offense. Edited January 1 by HappyDays 1 1 Quote
balln Posted January 1 Posted January 1 48 minutes ago, Bferra13 said: I think its Josh. Looks panicky in the pocket. Not going through his progression properly. From my untrained eye. This. He’s been like this ALL season minus some stretches. Even raiders and wash. Panicky. Leaves pocket. And then is just taking WAY to long to make a decision and throw. Quote
RunTheBall Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Josh’s mechanics have regressed this year. His footwork sucks, he throws off his back foot all the time, he’s not seeing the field and his accuracy blows. I love him. Ride or die. He’s also the reason we’ve won 10 games. It doesn’t help that his o-line is letting free rushers regularly, his receivers don’t separate, when they do they drop the ball, his #1 has been MIA for 5 weeks, and most importantly his OC had 2 good games and now can’t pull a game plan out of his ass. I have no idea what the plan is going forward. Become a run first team with Cook/Josh and play the short game? Go 5 wide and let Josh loose and start chucking it all over? Still think we crush Miami 1 2 Quote
DapperCam Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Like I said earlier it's a very low margin for error pass because Diggs has average speed and average catch radius. You have to drop that pass in the bucket or else it's incomplete and if you underthrow it there's a chance it's picked. It would nice to see us hit a deep shot to Diggs one of these weeks but it's inherently low percentage. Personally I would just take those shot plays out of the playbook. Every wasted down creates a massive strain because, again, it's an inherently low margin for error offense. We have at least 3 INT on underthrown deep passes to Diggs. At this point it is much better to overthrow, he isn’t going to win the contested catch or draw DPI. Have we even had a dpi in our favor on a deep pass this season? I can’t remember one, but I see them every week in other games. Quote
balln Posted January 1 Posted January 1 42 minutes ago, BlazinBill said: We just need weapons- we keep swinging and missing with mediocre players based off salary cap - need to draft talent period - just need to make sure we hit on that talent Yes well we hit on Kincaid. But he’s yet still not the focal point. Everyone is to blame. 2 Quote
CincyBillsFan Posted January 1 Posted January 1 41 minutes ago, Drew21PA said: They showed it on the telecast today we are running it effectively since week 11 - changes the targets and the nunbers josh had some terrible wr drops today so this game was closer than it should have been LOTS of drops idk what was going on Lots of drops and very few great catches. 1 1 Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted January 1 Posted January 1 55 minutes ago, Bferra13 said: I think its Josh. Looks panicky in the pocket. Not going through his progression properly. From my untrained eye. This is what I am seeing as well. 1 Quote
UKBillFan Posted January 1 Posted January 1 2 minutes ago, balln said: Yes well we hit on Kincaid. But he’s yet still not the focal point. Everyone is to blame. Have to wonder if the timeout today - when the Bills went shotgun on 3rd (or was it 4th) and short, and McDermott then seemingly stopped play and asked for a change in call - is the moment he started wondering if Brady is the man. Everything on offense is a shambles at the moment, and has been for much of the season. The reason is surely deeper than one player or co-ordinator. 1 Quote
HappyDays Posted January 1 Posted January 1 2 minutes ago, DapperCam said: Have we even had a dpi in our favor on a deep pass this season? No, for some reason our WRs don't try to draw them. Underthrowing deep passes that the WR simply runs back into the DB for an easy penalty has been a surprisingly productive play for a lot of offenses over the past few years. I don't know why we are the only team to never take advantage of this. Diggs had one pass today that would have been a DPI if he had made an effort to come back and catch the ball, instead he just stood there and let the ball bounce off the DB's back. That's why I'm worried he has lost his edge. He is not playing with any kind of fire right now, seemingly just going through the motions. 1 2 Quote
Unforgiven Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1 hour ago, NewEra said: It’s terrible 🤷🏻♂️ 🤦🏻♂️ Quote
BillsSbSoon Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Because half the time they can’t catch the ball. And when they do catch it there’s not a lot of yac. Theres not enough of an explosive element in the offense. It peaked vs kc in the divisional and has never really been the same since. Beane has to hammer the offense this offseason by any means necessary. We don’t truly know yet if diggs is slowing down or if he’s actually hurt but either way hes 30 now. And he’s not done much of anything in 2 straight months 1 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1 hour ago, Donuts and Doritos said: Passing O. has looked off ever since the Philly game (has actually looked off a lot of the season). Philly game is the last game w/ more than 1 passing TD. What's the problem? (Is it Josh, Brady, the Playmakers or something else)? Here's the player game stats (in order of top catchers on the team this season): Josh Allen: Yds. TD. Int NE. 15/30 169 0 1 LA. 15/21. 237. 1. 1 DAL. 7/15. 94. 1. 0 KC. 23/42. 233. 1. 1 PHIL 29/51. 339. 2. 1 1. Diggs: Yds. TD NE. 4/7. 26. 0 LA. 5/8. 29. 0 DAL. 4/5. 48. 0 KC. 4/11. 24. 0 PHIL 6/11. 74. 1 2. Davis: Yds. TD NE. 2/3. 21. 0 LA. 4/6. 130. 1 DAL. 0/1. 0. 0 KC. 0/2. 0. 0 PHIL 6/12. 105. 1 3. Kincaid: Yds. TD NE. 4/7. 87. 0 LA. 1/2. 7. 0 DAL. 0/2. 0. 0 KC. 5/8. 21. 0 PHIL 5/6. 38. 0 4. Shakir: Yds. TD NE. 4/4. 39. 0 LA. 3/3. 45. 0 DAL. 0/1. 0. 0 KC. 1/1. 12. 0 PHIL 3/5. 47. 0 5. Cook: Yds. TD NE. 1/3. -4. 0 LA. 0/0. 0. 0 DAL. 2/3. 42. 1 KC. 5/5. 83. 1 PHIL 6/7. 57. 0 6. Knox: Yds. TD NE. No stats registered LA. 2/2. 26. 0 DAL. No stats registered KC. 3/3. 36. 0 PHIL Didn't play Harty: 1 catch 25 yds KC game Murray: 1 catch 21 yds KC game 3 catch 18 yds Phil game Sherfield: 1 catch 9 yds KC game (Source: https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills) Now, I don't think this is the whole reason but there has been a noticable downtick in the passing game since Dawson Knox came back. The run game has surged. But I think having Kincaid on the field more helps the pass game. 2 1 1 Quote
ganesh Posted January 1 Posted January 1 47 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: We got some sugar high after Cowboys game and think were some ground and pound team To be fair, we did not commit to the passing game with the RBs after they dropped a few. The team seems to be not focused enough Quote
dave mcbride Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) 31 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I really hope this is the case. Then at least there is hope for Diggs to return to form next year. My fear is that he has either lost some of his edge or his physical abilities have declined suddenly, or both. Remember Woods playing with a torn groin and Hogan playing with torn ligaments in his wrist in their contract years, and both injuries clearly affected their play in retrospect (ie, the one year in his entire career that Hogan had the drops). Yet the injuries were never reported, and both had surgery immediately after the season. Also, Diggs is pulling himself out constantly, which is so against type that I believe it HAS to be an injury. Edited January 1 by dave mcbride 5 Quote
JMM Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1. Lack of speed 2. Diggs has lost a step 3. Lack of speed 4.Lack of...well...you get it. Speed KILLS, Lack of it kills in opposite way. 3 Quote
Buffalo Ballin Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) Stefon Diggs is playing through injury. He's hiding it very well. He's not washed up just yet. Regardless, Beane has to draft new receivers and/or trade for some this Summer. Edited January 1 by Buffalo Ballin 2 1 Quote
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Whatever the issues are, they absolutely need to be solved. We have Josh Allen. We are not a ground and pound team, nor do I want to be. 2 Quote
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