What's Wrong With The Passing O?

[Dablitzkrieg]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Two things imo

 

Diggs is either aging before our eyes or carrying an injury

 

and like it or not we miss Dorsey

You are the only person on the planet missing dorsey lmao

[Don Otreply]

We are not scheming guys open well enough, and are emphasizing the wrong guys as targets at the wrong moments, that and the passing game is kinda predictable presently, and our #1&2 WRs are playing hurt, and the guy throwing the ball is as well playing hurt, the answers Lie in scheming receivers open for success, jmo. 
 

GO BILLS!!!

Edited January 1 by Don Otreply

[Aussie Joe]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Two things imo

 

Diggs is either aging before our eyes or carrying an injury

 

and like it or not we miss Dorsey

Agree about Diggs .. not so Dorsey…

 

But that doesn’t mean Brady is the man either … although as pointed out to me earlier … he has the tougher gig coming in mid season and having to take over Dorsey’s playbook 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Dablitzkrieg said:

You are the only person on the planet missing dorsey lmao

Can almost guarantee Allen and Diggs are 

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I believe he is playing with a semi-significant injury.

 

I really hope this is the case. Then at least there is hope for Diggs to return to form next year. My fear is that he has either lost some of his edge or his physical abilities have declined suddenly, or both.

[Shortchaz]

Diggs is injured and having an issue cutting/creating separation in a box (IMO) 

[finn]

27 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

I think its Josh. Looks panicky in the pocket. Not going through his progression properly. From my untrained eye.

I don't see panic; I see someone who is not finding anyone open and running out of time. The Pats might have just been playing well, but I suspect we just don't have talent at receiver. Kincaid has good hands but is only ok at getting open. Knox and Davis don't separate. Sherfield and Harty are just warm bodies running around out there. Diggs is not himself; he's about the same as Shakir now. 

 

Adding that up, this is a pretty mediocre receiving corps for a playoff team. No difference makers. You see the results. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

I really hope this is the case. Then at least there is hope for Diggs to return to form next year. My fear is that he has either lost some of his edge or his physical abilities have declined suddenly, or both.

I would not be betting on Diggs returning to top5ish receiver form personally 

 

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Can almost guarantee Allen and Diggs are 

This is a stupid thought 🤣

[Hebert19]

Oline seems to let a damn free rusher every play.  That's what

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah something is going on with his deep passes to Diggs specifically. He hit two to Davis last week and one to Kincaid today. Diggs I think it was the Jaguars in London the last time they connected on a deep pass. Their timing on the whole has been off for a couple months now.

I’m partial to the idea that Diggs is quiet quitting.

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Can almost guarantee Allen and Diggs are 

So upset they kept ***** up and playing bad and got him fired in the first place.

 

lol

[GoBills808]

Just now, FireChans said:

I’m partial to the idea that Diggs is quiet quitting.

I thought the one today had enough air under it tbh

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

I would not be betting on Diggs returning to top5ish receiver form personally 

 

 

 

Beane has a history of betting on the most optimal possible scenario for offensive players. I hope he has learned something from his failures the past couple years and if anything over invests in the offense this offseason. The way he has treated the DL the past several years, I would love for him to do the same thing with WRs this offseason.

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I’m partial to the idea that Diggs is quite quitting.

 

 

Is this the same gut feeling you had on the Kincaid amber alert thread?

[DapperCam]

23 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Because Diggs just isn't very good right now. I see a lot of Bills fans are afraid to say it out loud. Everyone sees his production has gone down and is grasping for answers. The simplest answer is the correct one. I'm not sure there are 20 WRs he is out playing right now. It's a massive concern heading into the playoffs.

I think this is the biggest difference between this year and last year. Last year Diggs was playing at an all-pro type level. This year on the whole he’s playing as a middle of the pack #1 WR. Recently he has not even been that. Drops, not getting separation, not fighting for contested balls. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if we find out he’s injured and playing through it.

 

Gabe Davis is also somehow worse. I think Allen has stopped throwing it his way because bad things happen.

[Dr. Who]

7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

We are not scheming guys open well enough, and are emphasizing the wrong guys as targets at the wrong moments, that and the passing game is kinda predictable presently, and our #1&2 WRs are playing hurt, and the guy throwing the ball is as well playing hurt, the answers Lie in scheming receivers open for success, jmo. 
 

GO BILLS!!!

I think this is probably right, but I'm not confident they know how to scheme receivers open.

[Dr.Sack]

Win and in. If you can’t go all out with extra effort you go home. 

[Mynamemike]

The only encouraging thing from the pass game to day was the ball thrown to Kincaid that was more than ten yards down field.  That dude should be running down the seams all game every game.  Let Knox, Shakir and Cook make the short yac  catches.  I don’t know what’s wrong with Diggs and Allen.  Josh missed him on that wide open deep ball and he teams have been keeping him from working the middle of the field which has been his bread and butter.  Hopefully they come up with some type of solution quickly because playoffs start in seven days.

Edited January 1 by Mynamemike

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Beane has a history of betting on the most optimal possible scenario for offensive players. I hope he has learned something from his failures the past couple years and if anything over invests in the offense this offseason. The way he has treated the DL the past several years, I would love for him to do the same thing with WRs this offseason.

Correct.

 

I think if you injected Beane with truth serum, he’d admit they intentionally skimped on the receiving weapons the last few seasons with hopes that Josh improving + Gabe improving would be enough. 
 

The lesson from 13 seconds was not, “shore up the defense.” 
 

It was “go all in on offense.”

4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Is this the same gut feeling you had on the Kincaid amber alert thread?

I didn’t have a gut feeling. He hadn’t had a big game in a while. I posted about it. Voila! Big game!

 

Joe Brady reads my stuff, clearly.

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I think this is the biggest difference between this year and last year. Last year Diggs was playing at an all-pro type level. This year on the whole he’s playing as a middle of the pack #1 WR

 

It is for sure the biggest difference. Fans underestimate the trickle down effect of having top tier skill position talent. If a defense can just win all their 1v1 matchups without having to put themselves in conflict, it's incredibly difficult to make your offense work. It's like how a defense that can get consistent pressure rushing 4 has a massive advantage. Football is ultimately a game of numbers and leverage. We don't have any numbers advantages right now.