Drew21PA Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1 hour ago, Einstein said: On the other hand, there were times when Brady drew up a really well designed play. For example, this pick play. It was ran perfectly on the weak side of the field and Shakir got wide open, but Allen simply never looked over there. He was locked onto the Diggs/Knox combo. Here is the full progression: Yikes shakir with an easy TD Quote
BuffaloRebound Posted January 1 Posted January 1 gotta find some magic the next 4 weeks and it’s gotta start with Diggs. Would be nice if he started putting himself in harm’s way and laid it on the line a little more. Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 1 Posted January 1 For those saying nothings wrong, Josh has a 16 game low for passing TDs, Yards, and career highs in INTs. 1 Quote
Maine-iac Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Allen has had a hard time finding the open guys (because they have been open)all year. He also holds the ball for the guy 15 yards down the field until the short pass is no longer there and then he gets chased around and sometimes he makes a big play and sometimes he gets sacked. Defenses are all playing for the deeper passes and throwing in blitzes and the short passes are (and have been) there every single game and Josh turns them down over and over again. I for the life of me can't understand why Cook doesn't get more simple swing passes (as an extension of the running game) for the easy and 5 or 6 yards. We start killing people with short passes they will have to adjust their defenses but to this point they adjusted by run blitzing more but ultimately they still play deep coverage because we just don't throw it short consistently. 1 1 Quote
nedboy7 Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Some pretty bad takes on here about Brady. He is part of the reason we are in the playoffs. Team clearly played more balanced offense despite passing game struggling at times. The struggles of the offense are poor execution by qb and wrs. Simple as that. Weird pattern of blaming coaches on here for anything that doesnt work on the field. Same with the "McD doesnt have these guys prepared" takes when they arent up by 3 TDs. 1 1 Quote
Jerome007 Posted January 1 Posted January 1 16 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Diggs is either aging before our eyes or carrying an injury Most likely an injury. You don't have a great first half of the season to suddenly losing to "age"! People are so fickle. Lots of guys play hurt. I'm guessing JA is too (before this game even happened). Quote
Drew21PA Posted January 1 Posted January 1 2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Some pretty bad takes on here about Brady. He is part of the reason we are in the playoffs. Team clearly played more balanced offense despite passing game struggling at times. The struggles of the offense are poor execution by qb and wrs. Simple as that. Weird pattern of blaming coaches on here for anything that doesnt work on the field. Same with the "McD doesnt have these guys prepared" takes when they arent up by 3 TDs. Absolutely right ”the team is too Josh Allen reliant” has now switched to cook and the run game getting 30-40% more offensive touches soooo yeah passing numbers down i see crazy complaints just look at it ”we are down in passing !!!” yeah didnt have to throw against Dallas - we hammered their weakness / smart move! los Angeles we travel out west - it’s their superbowl - yes they played us tough - lots more at play than “oh we suck!!!” Tough place to be o and play really - interim coach and new mojo to prove a point - we won this last game - idk - I maybe giving belechek more credit for his defense than I should but they have been playing excellent football on the defensive side of the ball. two game winning streak against Pitt and Denver - playoff teams 1 1 1 Quote
Maine-iac Posted January 1 Posted January 1 6 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Some pretty bad takes on here about Brady. He is part of the reason we are in the playoffs. Team clearly played more balanced offense despite passing game struggling at times. The struggles of the offense are poor execution by qb and wrs. Simple as that. Weird pattern of blaming coaches on here for anything that doesnt work on the field. Same with the "McD doesnt have these guys prepared" takes when they arent up by 3 TDs. If anything thank god for Brady because he is willing to lean on the running game which has been our best offense and probably saved us from more turnovers because I'm not sure throwing it 50 times in the last 4 or 5 games would have produced better results. 1 1 Quote
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Dorsey was never the problem all long. Shocking… not. The guy was fired after a game in which the players shot themselves in the foot four times to lose the turnover battle 4-0. The Giants game was wildly misconstrued as a bad game by the OC. The offense was nearly perfect in the second half of the Giants game and in the first half we had two drives end by WR’s getting their feet tangled up with the DB’s and Allen throwing an INT. The good news is the Dolphins defense should be the cure for our offensive woes. 4 minutes ago, Drew21PA said: Absolutely right ”the team is too Josh Allen reliant” has now switched to cook and the run game getting 30-40% more offensive touches soooo yeah passing numbers down i see crazy complaints just look at it ”we are down in passing !!!” yeah didnt have to throw against Dallas - we hammered their weakness / smart move! los Angeles we travel out west - it’s their superbowl - yes they played us tough - lots more at play than “oh we suck!!!” Tough place to be o and play really - interim coach and new mojo to prove a point - we won this last game - idk - I maybe giving belechek more credit for his defense than I should but they have been playing excellent football on the defensive side of the ball. two game winning streak against Pitt and Denver - playoff teams I agree with all of this pretty much. I’ll be concerned if the offense doesn’t have a good game against the Dolphins trash defense. 1 Quote
Jrb1979 Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1 minute ago, Drew21PA said: Absolutely right ”the team is too Josh Allen reliant” has now switched to cook and the run game getting 30-40% more offensive touches soooo yeah passing numbers down i see crazy complaints just look at it ”we are down in passing !!!” yeah didnt have to throw against Dallas - we hammered their weakness / smart move! los Angeles we travel out west - it’s their superbowl - yes they played us tough - lots more at play than “oh we suck!!!” Tough place to be o and play really - interim coach and new mojo to prove a point - we won this last game - idk - I maybe giving belechek more credit for his defense than I should but they have been playing excellent football on the defensive side of the ball. two game winning streak against Pitt and Denver - playoff teams Numbers are one thing but the eye test is another. WRs don't get seperation, Allen refuses to use the underneath short pass game, and Diggs is not playing like he was at the beginning of the season. Yeah everything is fine. Quote
Drew21PA Posted January 1 Posted January 1 I see them moving the ball pretty well - would be even better if Diggs and co would stop dropping easy chain moving first down catches Quote
Jrb1979 Posted January 1 Posted January 1 3 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Dorsey was never the problem all long. Shocking… not. The guy was fired after a game in which the players shot themselves in the foot four times to lose the turnover battle 4-0. The Giants game was wildly misconstrued as a bad game by the OC. The offense was nearly perfect in the second half of the Giants game and in the first half we had two drives end by WR’s getting their feet tangled up with the DB’s and Allen throwing an INT. The good news is the Dolphins defense should be the cure for our offensive woes. I agree with all of this pretty much. I’ll be concerned if the offense doesn’t have a good game against the Dolphins trash defense. Trash Defense????????????? Outside yesterday's game, their defense has been on the rise and were holding teams to under 22 points in 7 of their last 9 games. Yeah their trash. Quote
Rockinon Posted January 1 Posted January 1 I've been watching how defenses play Josh all season. One thing is 2 high safeties on most passing plays making it difficult to go deep. The other thing, teams are really bringing some heat with the pass rush. Allen is constantly having to move from his stance after dropping back. He isn't able to go through his progressions and throw with timing. People talk about timing with other QBs all the time but we've been so spoiled with Allen's escapability, that it doesn't even occur to us, that he too must throw with timing when you are looking to dink and dunk. It is so critical to be able to throw those quick hitters when the defense is taking away the deep ball. Defenses have found a way to force short passes and also disrupt his timing. Allen loves those 15-30yd passes. That's what he excels at, but it's not available because of the way defenses are playing. Allen can play the short passing game, but it just seems he has a hard time getting into a rhythm. Often what happens is Allen scrambles and the WRs have to also adjust to help him out. Allen excels at that backyard game, but it is not a sustainable way to play because it also can result in interceptions. Bottom line, Allen needs to keep working on those timing throws and so do the receivers. Sometimes he throws a perfect strike but man he puts some serious mustard on them and the WR can't catch that bullet. Allen is a great QB, but he isn't without his flaws. I hope he gets better at timing and touch. Another thing that seems off is an ability to draw up lots of quick hitters. Plays where it's just a quick 3 step drop and the ball is out. We see it from time to time, but man, this team is super inconsistent with that. I think the offense has been working on evolving in many areas. The run game, better game planning, etc. Those timing passes need to be done over and over in practice though. Enough so that there is no thinking. It's just muscle memory. I think we're starting to see that with Shakir. Maybe, the coaches and practices are all ready working on these things. Disclaimer: I am no coach and certainly no expert. Everything I've mentioned are just musings from a longtime fan. Every week there seems to be new challenges and new adjustments. I have no idea what is talked about in meetings or what the focus is in practice settings. I do get the impression though that the offense is constantly evolving, working and trying to find answers. Quote
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Just now, Jrb1979 said: Trash Defense????????????? Outside yesterday's game, their defense has been on the rise and were holding teams to under 22 points in 7 of their last 9 games. Yeah their trash. they’ve historically been really bad against QB’s that can run the ball and extend plays. Look at their last two games against the Ravens and the numbers Lamar has put up on them and the last 10 or so games Allen has played against them. Quote
Drew21PA Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Again I see it different against a good defense in NE 4 drops I think on the top of my head does 20/30 1 TD oassing 2 TD running 200 yards passing look better? that’s would it should have been easily Quote
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 1 Posted January 1 3 minutes ago, Rockinon said: I've been watching how defenses play Josh all season. One thing is 2 high safeties on most passing plays making it difficult to go deep. The other thing, teams are really bringing some heat with the pass rush. Allen is constantly having to move from his stance after dropping back. He isn't able to go through his progressions and throw with timing. he’s been unbelievable and his year in keeping his sack numbers and sack yardage low this year. He’s going a great job of getting rid of the ball when he is under duress. 1 Quote
Mikie2times Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1 hour ago, Einstein said: On the other hand, there were times when Brady drew up a really well designed play. For example, this pick play. It was ran perfectly on the weak side of the field and Shakir got wide open, but Allen simply never looked over there. He was locked onto the Diggs/Knox combo. Here is the full progression: Allen can't be part of the issue. The WR's don't get separation. Next.... Quote
Maine-iac Posted January 1 Posted January 1 2 minutes ago, Drew21PA said: Again I see it different against a good defense in NE 4 drops I think on the top of my head does 20/30 1 TD oassing 2 TD running 200 yards passing look better? that’s would it should have been easily If we were playing ifs and buts then we could add in drops and we could also imagine that Allen hit his deep throws and didn't throw low and behind on half his throws and then he would have been 25 of 30 for 300 yards 2TD's passing and 2 rushing but it doesn't work like that. WR's need to be better as much as Allen but Allen has the ball in his hands every play. Quote
Drew21PA Posted January 1 Posted January 1 3 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: If we were playing ifs and buts then we could add in drops and we could also imagine that Allen hit his deep throws and didn't throw low and behind on half his throws and then he would have been 25 of 30 for 300 yards 2TD's passing and 2 rushing but it doesn't work like that. WR's need to be better as much as Allen but Allen has the ball in his hands every play. Ohhhhh kay hey quickly do you consider the patriots defense excellent the last month and a half ? Quote
JoshAllin Posted January 1 Posted January 1 24 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: Most likely an injury. You don't have a great first half of the season to suddenly losing to "age"! People are so fickle. Lots of guys play hurt. I'm guessing JA is too (before this game even happened). If that were the case then he is effectively hurting the team. Have some one fully healthy step up, I'd like to see what Shakir or Kincaid could've done Quote
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