Patriots at Bills postgame thread

[newcam2012]

40 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

You're a true martyr

Except when we blow them out, of course

No martyr at all. Plenty wrong on here. 

 

I'd rather think I offer a more cynical point of view to the unbalanced perspectives of many here. 

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Yes they must be super confident in the 2/11 times they've won since Josh has been the Bills QB.

Truthfully, I don't think that plays a large role in next week's game. 

 

All three games last year were nail biters. This year the Bills manhandled them. What that means and how it motivates each team is really difficult to know. 

 

I have to say with confidence that both teams and coaches probably are very confident they can win. 

 

 

[Nitro]

4 hours ago, stuvian said:

I will never understand why this team lets the likes of the Patriots and Chargers hang around after shellacking the Cowboys, Dolphins and Chiefs but I'm learning to live with it

Allen is a great QB but it seems he has clunkers against lesser teams.  Is it him, the rest of the offense, the OC or a combination of all three?  No matter the answer they have to get it together in Miami.  I give the Bills a 75% chance of winning.  McD please stay aggressive on both sides of the ball. 

[TheWeatherMan]

7 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

How can I put this nicely?

 

You claim to be a Bills fan.  OUR TEAM WON TODAY!  It’s well known that the NFL is a “parity” league, and on any given Sunday, any team can lose…we lost to the Pats earlier this season.  In addition, this was a Division game against one of the greatest coaches in the game, bar none.

 

And yet your reaction to our win is:

”The Bills, at home, played an awful NFL team who started their 3rd string QB, was missing their #1 RB, #1 WR, #2 WR, missed 2 FGs and had a -3 turnover margin. The Bills won by 6…SIX points! 🤮”

 

That’s right, a Vomit emoji.

 

Let’s just say I’m not interested in the opinion of “what looks good on me” from a so-called Bills fan whose reaction to a critical team win is a Vomit emoji, and leave it at that.

 

Melodramatic much?  I hope you didn’t chip a nail typing this response.
 

Everything I stated was fact, not opinion but I’ll bite.

This is the second week in a row we played a 3rd string QB with his #1 and #2 WR out and we won by a single score.  Yes, a win is a win, but this isn’t going to cut it against a playoff caliber team.  Winning a game by 6 points, with a +3 turnover margin and your opponent missed 2 FG’s is deserving of a 🤮.  
 

Last week, the Bills barely escaped because it was a trap game where they traveled cross country on a short week and played an opponent with a new interim HC…what’s the excuse this week? 

 

It’s awesome that the Bills won the last two games, but there is major reason for concern especially on offense and special teams.  

[nucci]

5 minutes ago, Nitro said:

Allen is a great QB but it seems he has clunkers against lesser teams.  Is it him, the rest of the offense, the OC or a combination of all three?  No matter the answer they have to get it together in Miami.  I give the Bills a 75% chance of winning.  McD please stay aggressive on both sides of the ball. 

But he is an idiot. How can you play QB in this league and not learn to protect the ball? Could have had a 4th and 1 if he doesn't fumble. I think it's the combo. He still throws in to double coverage. Other teams receivers seem to be open but ours rarely are. His accuracy is off. We have 2 running plays. Cook off tackle and Murray up the middle

[Freak-O]

46 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Melodramatic much?  I hope you didn’t chip a nail typing this response.
 

Everything I stated was fact, not opinion but I’ll bite.

This is the second week in a row we played a 3rd string QB with his #1 and #2 WR out and we won by a single score.  Yes, a win is a win, but this isn’t going to cut it against a playoff caliber team.  Winning a game by 6 points, with a +3 turnover margin and your opponent missed 2 FG’s is deserving of a 🤮.  
 

Last week, the Bills barely escaped because it was a trap game where they traveled cross country on a short week and played an opponent with a new interim HC…what’s the excuse this week? 

 

It’s awesome that the Bills won the last two games, but there is major reason for concern especially on offense and special teams.  

Do you get extra points for winning big? At no time yesterday did I feel the victory was in danger. 

[TheWeatherMan]

1 minute ago, Freak-O said:

Do you get extra points for winning big? At no time yesterday did I feel the victory was in danger. 

1) Rhetorical question 2) The Bills should always try to win big because their win % in 1-score games is abysmal.  3) After being up, the Bills lost to the Pats on a game winning 4 quarter drive in the first matchup.  

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Nitro said:

Allen is a great QB but it seems he has clunkers against lesser teams.  Is it him, the rest of the offense, the OC or a combination of all three?  No matter the answer they have to get it together in Miami.  I give the Bills a 75% chance of winning.  McD please stay aggressive on both sides of the ball. 

75% seems way way to high. 

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Melodramatic much?  I hope you didn’t chip a nail typing this response.
 

Everything I stated was fact, not opinion but I’ll bite.

This is the second week in a row we played a 3rd string QB with his #1 and #2 WR out and we won by a single score.  Yes, a win is a win, but this isn’t going to cut it against a playoff caliber team.  Winning a game by 6 points, with a +3 turnover margin and your opponent missed 2 FG’s is deserving of a 🤮.  
 

Last week, the Bills barely escaped because it was a trap game where they traveled cross country on a short week and played an opponent with a new interim HC…what’s the excuse this week? 

 

It’s awesome that the Bills won the last two games, but there is major reason for concern especially on offense and special teams.  

Really well put. I agree 100%. 

 

 

[newcam2012]

27 minutes ago, Freak-O said:

Do you get extra points for winning big? At no time yesterday did I feel the victory was in danger. 

I got a little uncomfortable near the end. The game shouldn't have even been close. 

 

Like it's been pointed out the win is great and top priority. 

 

The real question is can the offense be good enough next week and playoff time if the Bills make. Of course we hope it is. I think it's fair to be at least slightly disappointed and concerned about the offense going forward. 

 

I'm not sure why so many here are taking exception to others who are critical of the Bills O. 

[JerseyBills]

10 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

and yet the biggest play of the game was an incredible punt that was downed at the 5 which basically killed the pats ability to run their offense.  

 

it was the most important play of the game and then like last week on the final drive, Allen hit guys repeatedly for first downs and they trusted the running game in this critical situation and they ran the ball out to win.  

 

The first half was where the passing game was struggling but the second half seemed fine.  Not getting the first down on 3rd and 1 early in the 4th was a big problem and kept the game up in the air.

ya you're right. just watched condensed version. Passing game was pretty good in 2nd half, nothing to brag about but not terrible and ya that final drive to get the w was great. 

 

Ya that punt was crucial,  that was his 2nd inside the 5, pretty incredible 

[BillsfaninCT]

I hope they enjoyed their goofy practices and sloppy week of prep on offense because there's no way you have a stellar intense week of practice and game planning with that result unless JA17 got his head smacked early which coincidentally they showed a clip of him shaking his head, kinda like when you get rattled.

 

it looked like the offense was in preseason mode out there, zero motivation, skill players doing least credible effort, totally blah.  this team has a real problem with the spread, what i mean is they can't find motivation in games they should easily win.

[Drew21PA]

4 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Melodramatic much?  I hope you didn’t chip a nail typing this response.
 

Everything I stated was fact, not opinion but I’ll bite.

This is the second week in a row we played a 3rd string QB with his #1 and #2 WR out and we won by a single score.  Yes, a win is a win, but this isn’t going to cut it against a playoff caliber team.  Winning a game by 6 points, with a +3 turnover margin and your opponent missed 2 FG’s is deserving of a 🤮.  
 

Last week, the Bills barely escaped because it was a trap game where they traveled cross country on a short week and played an opponent with a new interim HC…what’s the excuse this week? 

 

It’s awesome that the Bills won the last two games, but there is major reason for concern especially on offense and special teams.  

Duh 

 

what’s a third string qb have to do with how excellent the patriots defense has been playing and played yesterday ?

 

that defense is and was an excellent tune up for the playoffs - they are tough

[RunTheBall]

I think the issue a lot of posters have is they aren’t comfortable with the anxiety that comes with football in general and especially Bills football. 

They want to be comfortable going into a game, knowing we are going to blow a team out, and have the game be essentially over at half time

Expectations - reality = disappointment

That’s why when we squeak by a team that people feel we should destroy there’s this outpouring of anger, disappointment, anxiety about the next game, etc.

You have to embrace the emotional roller coaster of any given Sunday because it’s true, any team can beat any team any Sunday.

 

So with this Bills team, from early season I realized it was going to be be way up and way down. We have no idea what team is going to show up every week.

The thing with this team is that you can usually tell within 1 or 2 drives if it’s going to be a nail biter or a comfortable win. 

Unfortunately, the last 2 games Josh has come right of the gate looking like ASS and I was like “here we go!” The guy we saw yesterday was Super High Josh, accuracy off, crap decision making, poor ball security, but he pulled it out again. Fortunately, the guy is a friggin warrior and he just keeps trying and more often than not he will win the game somehow or put us in a position to win and watch the defense give up a game winning drive.

 

So, I think we are due for a good game. I think we are going to establish the run and beat the sht out of Miami and Josh is going to regain some form. I except him to have a designed run in the first drive to lower his shoulder and get his head into the game quick. 

 

[Beck Water]

12 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

because we struggle in the most important area of current football and it used to make us feel so good.  Like no matter who we played we could beat anybody. 
 

because we are not the shinny new thing around that everyone is fired up about.  
 

because we win…but we don’t convince.

 

This is perceptive.

 

We won convincingly over the Cowboys, but we did it in an out-of-character way.  So I guess our wins against the Cowboys were not convincing.

 

But I can't shake the feeling that some people will never be happy.  Josh had 67.5% completions, 0 sacks, 2 passing TD, 359 net passing yards against the Jaguars.

He had 57% completions, 1 sack for 7 yards, 2 passing TD, 332 net passing yards against the Eagles.  I guess that would be doing pretty well in "the most important area of current football" but did it make us feel so good in those games? 

 

Hell to the No, we lost them.  We all felt like *****.

Edited January 1 by Beck Water

[Beck Water]

28 minutes ago, Drew21PA said:

Duh 

what’s a third string qb have to do with how excellent the patriots defense has been playing and played yesterday ?

that defense is and was an excellent tune up for the playoffs - they are tough

 

It's not just that.  On SNF someone put up a graphic of the starting QB for every team, then the current QB in a yellow color.  There were something like 5 teams in the AFC who were playing their season-starting QB (Baltimore, Miami, KC, Jags, and Bills).

 

The Browns just clinched the #5 seed on their what, 4th QB?  Who is 4-1 with them?  The Vikes are on what, their #4 QB and were playing for playoffs last night.  Just because a team is playing a backup QB doesn't mean they're DOA.

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

This is perceptive.

 

We won convincingly over the Cowboys, but we did it in an out-of-character way.  Our wins against the Cowboys were certainly not convincing.

 

But I can't shake the feeling that some people will never be happy.  Josh had 67.5% completions, 0 sacks, 2 passing TD, 359 net passing yards against the Jaguars.

He had 57% completions, 1 sack for 7 yards, 2 passing TD, 332 net passing yards against the Eagles.  I guess that would be doing pretty well in "the most important area of current football" but did it make us feel so good in those games? 

 

Hell to the No, we lost them.  We all felt like *****.

You could see it in the hallway cam where the players do the whole "Big Dub" schtick the whole vibe of the team is we do not give a ***** how it happens just win. Same in McDermotts speech in the Lockeroom not shrinking away from needing to keep working at things but embracing winning in whatever way they can.

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I got a little uncomfortable near the end. The game shouldn't have even been close. 

 

Like it's been pointed out the win is great and top priority. 

 

The real question is can the offense be good enough next week and playoff time if the Bills make. Of course we hope it is. I think it's fair to be at least slightly disappointed and concerned about the offense going forward. 

 

I'm not sure why so many here are taking exception to others who are critical of the Bills O. 

 

It's not "slightly disappointed and concerned about the offense" or "critical of the Bills O" that are causing exception, and I think you know this.

 

It's stuff like vomit emojis and unrelentingly negative posts about how the QB was poor, the WR can't separate, the OC's play calling and scheme are bad, and the team doesn't have the makeup or talent to make a deep playoff run.

 

If you play that stuff backwards, your dog comes back to life and your stolen truck pulls into your driveway.

 

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

You could see it in the hallway cam where the players do the whole "Big Dub" schtick the whole vibe of the team is we do not give a ***** how it happens just win. Same in McDermotts speech in the Lockeroom not shrinking away from needing to keep working at things but embracing winning in whatever way they can.

 

That was funny.  Who was it who jumped on Shakir's back?  I gotta say Diggs didn't look too happy, though if he's gutting through something, he may have been jonesing for the treatment room.

Edited January 1 by Beck Water

[dollars 2 donuts]

8 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

This is perceptive.

 

We won convincingly over the Cowboys, but we did it in an out-of-character way.  Our wins against the Cowboys were certainly not convincing.

 

But I can't shake the feeling that some people will never be happy.  Josh had 67.5% completions, 0 sacks, 2 passing TD, 359 net passing yards against the Jaguars.

He had 57% completions, 1 sack for 7 yards, 2 passing TD, 332 net passing yards against the Eagles.  I guess that would be doing pretty well in "the most important area of current football" but did it make us feel so good in those games? 

 

Hell to the No, we lost them.  We all felt like *****.

 

Beck, I don’t disagree with you, but you are going back to a time (Eagles) that isn’t part of this.

 

i am one of those guys that so very rarely puts a loss on Josh.

 

I also think you mistook my comment for Josh is the problem.  No, it’s the team and it is the identity, but also it is what you can rely upon.  Even in losing (KC-13 seconds, Eagles, etc.) you know what you have and you know what you can count on if something goes awry. It is just unclear right now.

 

It is frustrating to watch a team like Cleveland have a 38 old man come in off the street after doing daddy duty and make passing look so easy…AGAIN, this is not a Josh comparison but an overall team, or rather offensive identity thing.

 

I’m one of the guys who started the never lose again threads, because it was the way. They are one game away from doing it to lock up the #2 seed and I am so proud of them.  
 

However, there are issues.

 

Go Bills.

 

 

[Warcodered]

8 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

That was funny.  Who was it who jumped on Shakir's back?  I gotta say Diggs didn't look too happy, though if he's gutting through something, he may have been jonesing for the treatment room.

47 so Christian Benford, yeah Diggs is definitely dealing with something, and it's probably having a serious effect on our passing game. Not for nothing but being down our #1 WR and having an inconsistent #2 is not a good recipe. They need to get guys like Kincaid, Shakir and Knox more involved but Brady is likely adapting Dorsey's offense and that offense featured Diggs a lot.

[Beck Water]

Just now, dollars 2 donuts said:

Beck, I don’t disagree with you, but you are going back to a time (Eagles) that isn’t part of this.

 

Wait, wat?  That happened this season.  It's one of the games that's the reason why we're playing for the Division and the #2 seed instead of talking about whether we'll rest our starters.  In what way is the Eagles game, or the Jax game for that matter, not part of this?

 

Just to be clear, though, I think you took my post as directed at you.  When I said "some people" I literally meant it - I was framing a general response.

 

Just now, dollars 2 donuts said:

I also think you mistook my comment for Josh is the problem.  No, it’s the team and it is the identity, but also it is what you can rely upon.  Even in losing (KC-13 seconds, Eagles, etc.) you know what you have and you know what you can count on if something goes awry. It is just unclear right now.

 

It is frustrating to watch a team like Cleveland have a 38 old man come in off the street after doing daddy duty and make passing look so easy…AGAIN, this is not a Josh comparison but an overall team, or rather offensive identity thing.

 

I’m one of the guys who started the never lose again threads, because it was the way. They are one game away from doing it to lock up the #2 seed and I am so proud of them.  
 

However, there are issues.

 

Go Bills.

 

There are most certainly issues.  And I'll say it - Josh could be the problem.  He's certainly been part of the problem when the dust settles and the game film has been dissected in detail.

 

[TheWeatherMan]

1 hour ago, Drew21PA said:

Duh 

 

what’s a third string qb have to do with how excellent the patriots defense has been playing and played yesterday ?

 

that defense is and was an excellent tune up for the playoffs - they are tough

Duh…like the game of football is determined by who scores the most points and like the offense, defense and special teams of both teams are the contributing factors.