Is it time to put out an Amber Alert on Dalton Kincaid?

[HOUSE]

Sore shoulder 😫 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 minutes ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:

Sore shoulder 😫 

Bruised ego?

[JGMcD2]

God forbid we mention Kincaid without mentioning LaPorta. As if LaPorta’s success means Kincaid is a bust.
 

Outside of Mike Ditka, LaPorta is having arguably the greatest season ever by a rookie TE - it doesn’t mean Kincaid is bad or struggling this year. Looking at numbers quick (it should be noted that LaPorta will play 1 extra game than previous rookie TE as well as Kincaid due to injury)
 

LaPorta has the most catches (81) all-time.

Kincaid has 62 catches which is 6th all-time. He’ll likely finish top 5. 

 

Laporta will likely finish with the 3rd most yards. Kincaid will finish somewhere around 15 all-time. 
 

They’re featuring LaPorta much more, but Kincaid’s role is nothing to sneeze at. 

 

Edited December 31, 2023 by JGMcD2

[EmotionallyUnstable]

31 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

God forbid we mention Kincaid without mentioning LaPorta. As if LaPorta’s success means Kincaid is a bust.
 

Outside of Mike Ditka, LaPorta is having arguably the greatest season ever by a rookie TE - it doesn’t mean Kincaid is bad or struggling this year. Looking at numbers quick (it should be noted that LaPorta will play 1 extra game than previous rookie TE as well as Kincaid due to injury)
 

LaPorta has the most catches (81) all-time.

Kincaid has 62 catches which is 6th all-time. He’ll likely finish top 5. 

 

Laporta will likely finish with the 3rd most yards. Kincaid will finish somewhere around 15 all-time. 
 

They’re featuring LaPorta much more, but Kincaid’s role is nothing to sneeze at. 

 

 

Correct. In a vacuum, Kincauds stats look good for a rookie TE on a winning football team. However we cannot justly remove the investment placed into him via draft selection and desire more from a first round pick. This isn’t on the player as much as the organization. 
 

 

7 hours ago, muppy said:

stud bookends at the TE position cannot be a   bad thing. Can it?

 

I'm going to go with there are just not enough offensive snaps to go around if Cook and Murray are to be fed too..

Not a bad thing. But not the best thing given the make up of our roster and future needs. 

[FireChans]

36 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

God forbid we mention Kincaid without mentioning LaPorta. As if LaPorta’s success means Kincaid is a bust.
 

Outside of Mike Ditka, LaPorta is having arguably the greatest season ever by a rookie TE - it doesn’t mean Kincaid is bad or struggling this year. Looking at numbers quick (it should be noted that LaPorta will play 1 extra game than previous rookie TE as well as Kincaid due to injury)
 

LaPorta has the most catches (81) all-time.

Kincaid has 62 catches which is 6th all-time. He’ll likely finish top 5. 

 

Laporta will likely finish with the 3rd most yards. Kincaid will finish somewhere around 15 all-time. 
 

They’re featuring LaPorta much more, but Kincaid’s role is nothing to sneeze at. 

 

Just once, I would like our player to be having a crazy awesome season, not be the “also ran” to another players’ crazy awesome season 

[WickedGame]

[4merper4mer]

Another disgruntled fantasy football thread.  Where is the Jahmyr Gibbs one?

[RunTheBall]

Kincaid has been a nice addition. I think he’s underused and has more potential than our offense has allowed him to see. Have we thrown one seam pass the entire year to a TE? One? I can’t remember. He got dinged up and that along with Knox coming back is why his production has slipped. I think with a full offseason Brady will be able to implement him into the offense more. Brady knows talent - he’s the one that elevated Johnson right away so there’s no way he doesn’t understand what Kincaid is capable of.

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

There's only one football. I don't care who gets it if we keep winning.

[JGMcD2]

24 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Just once, I would like our player to be having a crazy awesome season, not be the “also ran” to another players’ crazy awesome season 

You’re the one making it that way lol

 

It’s ok for other players to be good. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

When he gets back 100% they must design plays to get him open.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

You’re the one making it that way lol

 

It’s ok for other players to be good. 

Nah. I want the best players.

 

We had this with Sammy Watkins. He had a “really good season too.” He wasn’t Mike Evans or OBJ. And ended up not being close.

[JGMcD2]

31 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Correct. In a vacuum, Kincauds stats look good for a rookie TE on a winning football team. However we cannot justly remove the investment placed into him via draft selection and desire more from a first round pick. This isn’t on the player as much as the organization. 

And he’s producing at a high level for a rookie TE? What does draft status have to do with it? His production has been congruent with the WR drafted ahead of him in RD1. 

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Nah. I want the best players.

 

We had this with Sammy Watkins. He had a “really good season too.” He wasn’t Mike Evans or OBJ. And ended up not being close.

What do Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans and OBJ have to do with Dalton Kincaid? 
 

Answer: Absolutely nothing 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:

And he’s producing at a high level for a rookie TE? What does draft status have to do with it? His production has been congruent with the WR drafted ahead of him in RD1. 

Draft status is inseparable when you’re looking at him in terms of how this roster is constructed. I already agreed he’s having a solid season, but it isn’t just about this year. 
 

In years to come we are going to be searching for WR2 and Diggs replacement. Would have been nice to take a stab at it this year. 
 

Guys picked in that R1 run before he went at 25 are having solid to great years, and yes, they are statistically better than his season. 
 

Again I think the player is good. This doesn’t take away from the fact that we have other, more drastic needs down the line at more impactful positions. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

51 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

And he’s producing at a high level for a rookie TE? What does draft status have to do with it? His production has been congruent with the WR drafted ahead of him in RD1. 

What do Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans and OBJ have to do with Dalton Kincaid? 
 

Answer: Absolutely nothing 

He made his argument.

 

He wants the top Tight End, not a guy who is pretty good.

 

I think Kincaid has been ok. But come on, he catches a ton of dump offs and zone-sits in the middle of the field. 
 

He’s not a featured piece of the offense, he’s there as a background producer.

 

Now we’re 15 games into the season, and his season long is 22 yards, most games his long is 12-14 yards.

 

So the hands - check

 

Slippery in zones - check

 

Targeted on more advanced route tree - No

 

Playmaking after the catch - Not really

 

Average game for him is 4.4 catches, 35 yards a game - so agree with FireChans.

 

He’s compiled a lot of catches, but the way he was sold, there was expected to be more impact. 
 

I agree with NewEra, and Kincaid said it - there will be a strength plan in the off-season so he can run with more power and take hits better and less awkwardly. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Now wait a minute.

 

All of last summer it was said on this board he was going to play slot to justify his high draft pick.

 

Now we're being told he dropped off the map because he is spitting time with Knox at the TE position. 

 

Which is it ?

Edited December 31, 2023 by JakeFrommStateFarm

[Fan in Chicago]

I understand the concerns of the OP. 

Kincaid hasn't impacted a game significantly, his depth of target is pretty low and total catches are meh. Before the season, I had hoped for 70 catches/700 yards/7 TDs but ofcourse I was way off target (heh). Over the past two games, a few of his drops were due to inaccuracy by JA so he hasn't suddenly forgotten to catch the football. The kid has good hands. 

 

Too early to be disappointed or unhappy about the pick as he is just a rookie. I hope season 2 is much better and justifies the investment made (1st round with trade up)

[nedboy7]

I think Josh Allen sucks. 
Discuss! 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

8 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Now wait a minute.

 

All of last summer it was said on this board he was going to play slot to justify his high draft pick.

 

Now we're being told he dropped off the map because he is spitting time with Knox at the TE position. 

 

Which is it ?

This is the correct point to make.

 

The 1.5 personnel talk, the “heavy-slot” - he has the hands and instincts in underneath zone.

 

And of course Kincaid will have an improvement plan on the off-season. 

 

But neither coordinator has featured him and the bigger point is this team still lacks playmaking.

 

So when I hear Joe Marino say he’s seen enough to know that he wants Kincaid as the #2 option in the passing game next year, I think the opposite.

 

The work isn’t done, this team needs a Round 1 WR. 

 

 

[Bookie Man]

Need to get him involved more for sure. Too much of a talent. Should be getting 7 targets a game. Would like to see him on some intermediate routes.