Does the Bills Fan Base Need to Cut Miller Some Slack?

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

The Von Miller thing is just ugly from a bunch of different angles.

 

Cap-wise, it makes Brandon Beane look bad for taking a huge financial risk on a player his age.  Maybe that's not fair to our GM.  But a mistake is a mistake, and it will likely cost us a younger and more productive player down the line (such as Leonard Floyd, AJ Epenesa or Greg Rousseau).

 

Coaching-wise, it makes Sean McDermott look bad for continually putting him on the field.  He literally cannot move side to side or turn the corner, and just runs past the Quarterback on every single play.  This is something he MUST be seeing in practice.

 

Despite this, I think fans would have a little more patience and sympathy if it wasn't for the assault charge now hanging over his head.  Many if not most fans would prefer he be cut from the team based on the current evidence.  But the dead-money hit on his contract would be so detrimental to the team, it's something we almost can't even consider.

Von is the reason that Floyd signed with this team on a friendly deal and he was playing lights out before the injury last season. So even though I don’t like Von’s deal long term it isn’t like he isn’t impacting the team in other ways.

[klos63]

23 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Well lets see…either I had dinner with Non recently, and he told me his true feelings, or it is just my opinion.  I will let you figure it out. 

I hope Non didn't attempt to strangle you after you wouldn't pick up the tab.

[Einstein]

Sure, I have no problem cutting him slack. I was fine with signing him at the time and i’m not going to pretend I didn’t like it now.

 

My only thing is - he is hurting the team by being on the field. When he is on the field, our defense has 10 players vs the offenses 11.

So yeah, cut him some slack, but let’s put him on a shelf until next year - when hopefully he will be playing better.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

Do we need to cut Von Miller some slack? Yes, a little bit due to the extent of the injury.

 

Do we need to hammer the coaching staff for putting him out there for far too many plays? HELL YES. He's clearly been ineffective for many weeks and he's only hurting the team by being out there as long as he has been.

The biggest mistake is not clowning Von for his first 2 years of weak production due to injury.  It's the stupidity of carting him out there every week to play at 50% due to name and reputation.  I think it's safe to say someone like Kingsley could've made several more plays than Von.  I know McB, you're trying to get your money's worth but it's detrimental to the D.

[TFBillsfan]

Agree with the majority of responses. My frustration is why is he seeing the field this much when his impact is zero and it’s he’s not even close to being 75% physically or mentally. It’s not magically going to change during the playoffs. Even more confusing is WHY did McDermott have him on the field for the last second lateral play? If he watch the replay he did everything to avoid contact. For that situation he’s a major liability. 
 

At this point, he really should be inactive on game days.
 

 

[KCNC]

He is not producing.  According to Sean, you have to earn it.  He must mean other players because he is not cutting it.

[Draconator]

3 hours ago, Rich Stadium Original said:

You will get little argument from me that Miller has not nearly shown anywhere near his past productivity, particularly with what the franchise is paying him. But I would argue that there is a lot more that we don't know about his injury/recovery than we do know:

 

a.) What was the severity of the original injury, and what is the usual recover time to full speed from such an injury? (A lot of his game is built on speed and quickness)

b.) How successful was the surgery, and have there been complications in the recovery limiting speed and agility?

c.) What are the doctors and trainers telling him now? How much pain and swelling  is he getting during repeated use?

d.) Are the Bills aware of his limitations, but putting him out on the field in certain situations just to draw extra attention?

 

I would assume he is a professional athlete with a desire to win, and not just taking plays of because he's afraid of getting hurt again.  If his physical condition was as bad as it may appear without hope for improvement, I would have thought the team would have shut him down on IR...We may never have the answers to a lot of these questions until the season is over.

 

Since you didin't mention which Miller, I would say Ryan Miller is beloved in the Buffalo community. 

[Toyo321]

No he does not deserve any slack!   The only Von Miller highlight I could find of him trying to make one of his three credited tackles this year.

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by Toyo321

[die hard bills fan]

No

[Breakout Squad]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yes….. posted In a thread that isn’t asking you about his performance.  It’s asking you if he should be given some slack.  
 

That’s like answering “Von Miller went to Texas A&M”.  Cool sorry, the world

knows he’s not the same. 

I’m sorry I offended you by making a comment on a TBD post. Apparently it was too vanilla. 
 

Your second comment is dumb. What does that even mean? Seems like your bowl of cheerios was yellow this morning. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

Miller is here to come up big in big moments. He is still working himself back in to form.  If and when he makes a sack, or forces a turnover that helps win a playoff game, all will be forgiven.  That is why he is here.  
 

 

Keep making progress Von, I know you will make your presence felt soon.  
 

(ps, this is my thoughts on Von Miller,  the football player. Not based on him as a person)

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by buffaloboyinATL

[Big Blitz]

Yes 100% yes.  

[oldmanfan]

He appears to be unable to do anything other than just push directly into the T in front of him.  Apparently the injury does not give his knee the stability to do more.  Until he can do more he shouldn’t be playing.

[CircleTheWagons99]

He does take the right tackle out of the play atleast. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

True. I can also see him making a game changing play against Marino in the finale as well!

Hopefully he and Bryan Cox can play roshambo during warmups and neither end up being able to see the field as a result! 🤔

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

He appears to be unable to do anything other than just push directly into the T in front of him.  Apparently the injury does not give his knee the stability to do more.  Until he can do more he shouldn’t be playing.

This force feeding Von down our throats is just dumb. Just shut him down for the season and hope we can salvage 1 good full year from him before we release him.  Give healthier and more deserving players like Kingsley a shot.

[HerdMentality]

No slack. This is the pros. And he talks a big game.

[GunnerBill]

What do you mean by cut Miller some slack? I don't think anyone is attacking Von himself. Nobody is doubting his desire or effort to get back and impact the game. Nobody is blaming him. People understand the personal impact. 

 

But the fact that the Bills have a highly paid pass rusher out there who can't live up to his contract and isn't playing at the level we hoped for (for understandable reasons) is a legitmate point of discussion. 

 

It was a risky big swing on a player of age. Brandon Beane has been more willing to gamble on old guys than I would if I were a GM and Von was just the highest profile example. He got really unlucky with the ACL. It is what it is.

 

There is a question about what they do beyond this year. But let's have that after the season. For now I hope Floyd and AJE can be healthy for this stretch run and we can use Von sparingly as the 4th man in the rotation. 

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The biggest mistake is not clowning Von for his first 2 years of weak production due to injury.  It's the stupidity of carting him out there every week to play at 50% due to name and reputation.  I think it's safe to say someone like Kingsley could've made several more plays than Von.  I know McB, you're trying to get your money's worth but it's detrimental to the D.

 

He hasn't hit 50% once. He has only been at 40 or higher three times and two of those have been the last two weeks with Floyd nicked up and AJE down. 

 

If we can get the other two back Von can slide back into sharing the DE4 job with Shaq which is where he belongs on the current roster.

[LABILLBACKER]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He hasn't hit 50% once. He has only been at 40 or higher three times and two of those have been the last two weeks with Floyd nicked up and AJE down. 

 

If we can get the other two back Von can slide back into sharing the DE4 job with Shaq which is where he belongs on the current roster.

I'm not talking about 50% snaps. I'm talking about 50% ability to move.