Does the Bills Fan Base Need to Cut Miller Some Slack?

[Bferra13]

3 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said:

I guess we forgot how bad Tre White looked coming back from a serious knee injury, but most of you gave him a break. 

I've seen a couple people say this now, but I'm debating in my head if that is an apples to oranges comparison considering the differences of the positions. I think it is, but yeah the knee would definitely impact his off the line explosiveness. But if that's the case, should he playing? I don't know the answers to any of this stuff. But just thinking out loud.

 

I was NOT a miller fan when they signed him. I referred to him on the Broncos as Von Duechebag cuz that's how he came off to me. The whole signing felt like a mercenary deal at the time. But he's grown on me a little with his personality. The free agent stuff was pretty lame though. Sorry just rambling now.

[klos63]

Tre was awful when he came back last season, took him a few games this season to regain his form, then unfortunately, got hurt again.

It's shouldn't be a surprise that Miller is struggling to regain form. Hopefully he can have some impact this season, but it doesn't look promising.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

I've seen a couple people say this now, but I'm debating in my head if that is an apples to oranges comparison considering the differences of the positions. I think it is, but yeah the knee would definitely impact his off the line explosiveness. But if that's the case, should he playing? I don't know the answers to any of this stuff. But just thinking out loud.

 

I was NOT a miller fan when they signed him. I referred to him on the Broncos as Von Duechebag cuz that's how he came off to me. The whole signing felt like a mercenary deal at the time. But he's grown on me a little with his personality. The free agent stuff was pretty lame though. Sorry just rambling now.

Yes and no.  I do think the acl injury affects a corner more than pass rusher.  I also think that Tre tearing his acl at age 26 is different than Von Miller tearing his acl at 33

[EmotionallyUnstable]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

 

His injury should have changed the expectations of his play.  

Yes they certainly can change what you expect in terms of production, but doesn’t change in terms of what’s invested. 
 

Same holds true for any asset. For example first round pick Kaire Elam had large expectations and big investment in terms of draft capital. He came out and has significantly under preformed what we would have hoped for. I don’t expect anything from him, and if we get something, you’ll take it as a win. But in terms of investment, it’s still disappointing. We get caught up in that disappointment when we see it first hand on the field because the original expectations and $$$ cannot be separated from who and what these players offer to the team. 
 

Yes we’ve come to expect little, but it doesn’t absolve our own memories of what could have been

[loyal2dagame]

He deserves no slack. 

He came to the Bills and continously ran his mouth about player X is coming here over and over. It seemed like he was guaranteeing every big name free agent was to be a Bill. Not 1 player he said was coming here did. Blowhard.

Then he gets injured, which sucked,  but can't hold that against him as it's part of the game. 

Then he allegedly chokes his pregnant girlfriend during the bye week,  during a streach where the Bills look to be in a noise dive,  just adding more turmoil to the team. 

No,  Von Miller does not get any slack.

 

Brandon Beane does for making a move based on what could have been.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Do we need to cut Von Miller some slack? Yes, a little bit due to the extent of the injury.

 

Do we need to hammer the coaching staff for putting him out there for far too many plays? HELL YES. He's clearly been ineffective for many weeks and he's only hurting the team by being out there as long as he has been.

[klos63]

9 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

I've seen a couple people say this now, but I'm debating in my head if that is an apples to oranges comparison considering the differences of the positions. I think it is, but yeah the knee would definitely impact his off the line explosiveness. But if that's the case, should he playing? I don't know the answers to any of this stuff. But just thinking out loud.

 

I was NOT a miller fan when they signed him. I referred to him on the Broncos as Von Duechebag cuz that's how he came off to me. The whole signing felt like a mercenary deal at the time. But he's grown on me a little with his personality. The free agent stuff was pretty lame though. Sorry just rambling now.

The level of play in the NFL is so exceptional that the slightest setback makes a huge impact. Regardless of position, if you're playing at 80%, you're always playing against someone that's pretty close to 100%, that's huge in the NFL. That's why RB's or LB's get cut as soon as they lose a step, you can't compete on an level field anymore.

Von Duechebag? Seriously?

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Rich Stadium Original said:

You will get little argument from me that Miller has not nearly shown anywhere near his past productivity, particularly with what the franchise is paying him. But I would argue that there is a lot more that we don't know about his injury/recovery than we do know:

 

a.) What was the severity of the original injury, and what is the usual recover time to full speed from such an injury? (A lot of his game is built on speed and quickness)

b.) How successful was the surgery, and have there been complications in the recovery limiting speed and agility?

c.) What are the doctors and trainers telling him now? How much pain and swelling  is he getting during repeated use?

d.) Are the Bills aware of his limitations, but putting him out on the field in certain situations just to draw extra attention?

 

I would assume he is a professional athlete with a desire to win, and not just taking plays of because he's afraid of getting hurt again.  If his physical condition was as bad as it may appear without hope for improvement, I would have thought the team would have shut him down on IR...We may never have the answers to a lot of these questions until the season is over.

No.  I cam get all the eye rolls or whatever,but it seems to me he is just collecting a paycheck now.  I don't believe he will ever be anything near what he was the first few games of last season.

 

I would love to be wrong, but I don't think I am.

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Yes they certainly can change what you expect in terms of production, but doesn’t change in terms of what’s invested. 
 

Same holds true for any asset. For example first round pick Kaire Elam had large expectations and big investment in terms of draft capital. He came out and has significantly under preformed what we would have hoped for. I don’t expect anything from him, and if we get something, you’ll take it as a win. But in terms of investment, it’s still disappointing. We get caught up in that disappointment when we see it first hand on the field because the original expectations and $$$ cannot be separated from who and what these players offer to the team. 
 

Yes we’ve come to expect little, but it doesn’t absolve our own memories of what could have been

But why would the investment Brandon Beane made into Von affect whether or not he should be given some slack? 
 

if someone doesn’t like the guy because of his off the field stuff, so be it.  I can respect that.  
 

if someone doesn’t want to cut him some slack because we aren’t getting the player they were expecting, due to an injury, I can’t get down with that.  To each their own, but it’s just doesn’t compute with my way of thinking.   
 

Give Beane hell for giving a huge contract to a 33 year old pass rusher with injury concerns.  That makes sense.  Giving Von hell for not being the player we signed doesn’t make sense.  You can bet he’s giving his all, trying to be the player we need

[Returntoglory]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

The Von Miller thing is just ugly from a bunch of different angles.

 

Cap-wise, it makes Brandon Beane look bad for taking a huge financial risk on a player his age.  Maybe that's not fair to our GM.  But a mistake is a mistake, and it will likely cost us a younger and more productive player down the line (such as Leonard Floyd, AJ Epenesa or Greg Rousseau).

 

Coaching-wise, it makes Sean McDermott look bad for continually putting him on the field.  He literally cannot move side to side or turn the corner, and just runs past the Quarterback on every single play.  This is something he MUST be seeing in practice.

 

Despite this, I think fans would have a little more patience and sympathy if it wasn't for the assault charge now hanging over his head.  Many if not most fans would prefer he be cut from the team based on the current evidence.  But the dead-money hit on his contract would be so detrimental to the team, it's something we almost can't even consider.

Wrong.

 

You cannot predict injuries!

[BuffBills51]

My issue with Von is that he just seems to be going through the motions and putting in zero effort. He seems to stop on plays and has become a one dimensional pash rusher with a bull rush that has no bull. 

[LabattBlue]

Just my 2 cents…I think Non would have been perfectly content being on IR the entire season…and I bet he would love for the Bills to cut him in the offseason, and then sign with a preferred choice(Dallas?) for a few million since the Bills already opened the Pegula vault for him. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

But why would the investment Brandon Beane made into Von affect whether or not he should be given some slack? 
 

if someone doesn’t like the guy because of his off the field stuff, so be it.  I can respect that.  
 

if someone doesn’t want to cut him some slack because we aren’t getting the player they were expecting, due to an injury, I can’t get down with that.  To each their own, but it’s just doesn’t compute with my way of thinking.   
 

Give Beane hell for giving a huge contract to a 33 year old pass rusher with injury concerns.  That makes sense.  Giving Von hell for not being the player we signed doesn’t make sense.  You can bet he’s giving his all, trying to be the player we need

I believe the bolded is why people get frustrated and because it’s miller that is the one we’re counting on, he catches the heat. 
 

I can understand why you have your perspective. I also completely get why people are frustrated. 
 

Im sure Von is doing what he can to get back to form, but just trying your best doesn’t produce and at the end of the day, that’s what he was brought here to do. 
 

Hopeful for next year, but we once again, some how, are in dire need of help on rhe DL

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Or you’re just saying dumb things like you always do. 
 

 

You’re the only smart person in this thread!

Hmmm…, 

[klos63]

15 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Just my 2 cents…I think Non would have been perfectly content being on IR the entire season…and I bet he would love for the Bills to cut him in the offseason, and then sign with a preferred choice(Dallas?) for a few million since the Bills already opened the Pegula vault for him. 

You're just making this up right? You have no insider knowledge of Non's thinking, right?

[RyanC883]

I blame McD for putting him out there in high leverage situations. He’s basically unable to do anything at this point. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I believe the bolded is why people get frustrated and because it’s miller that is the one we’re counting on, he catches the heat. 
 

I can understand why you have your perspective. I also completely get why people are frustrated. 
 

Im sure Von is doing what he can to get back to form, but just trying your best doesn’t produce and at the end of the day, that’s what he was brought here to do. 
 

Hopeful for next year, but we once again, some how, are in dire need of help on rhe DL

 

Agree with this

[LabattBlue]

7 minutes ago, klos63 said:

You're just making this up right? You have no insider knowledge of Non's thinking, right?

Well lets see…either I had dinner with Non recently, and he told me his true feelings, or it is just my opinion.  I will let you figure it out. 

Edited December 28, 2023 by LabattBlue

[NewEra]

23 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I believe the bolded is why people get frustrated and because it’s miller that is the one we’re counting on, he catches the heat. 
 

I can understand why you have your perspective. I also completely get why people are frustrated. 
 

Im sure Von is doing what he can to get back to form, but just trying your best doesn’t produce and at the end of the day, that’s what he was brought here to do. 
 

Hopeful for next year, but we once again, some how, are in dire need of help on rhe DL

I hear ya- I just can’t hate on von for not being what we paid him to be 13 months removed from tearing his acl.  
 

Am I disappointed in Vons ROI?  Absofrickenlutely.  
 

I’m not upset with Von in the least.  
 

My expectations for his play changed the second he was injured.  My expectations regarding our ROI from Von changed as well.

 

i do believe he can help us win a Super Bowl

Edited December 28, 2023 by NewEra

[stevestojan]

If it’s about the injury, then he isn’t ready.
 

We need guys who are ready NOW, not guys who are “testing their confidence” - for the 11th week straight - on a bum knee. 
 

When he is on the field, it’s literally like we have 10 guys on defense. He does the waltz with the right tackle for 5 yards past the QB. That’s not what we need right now. 
 

He is only getting snaps because of his name, reputation, and past success. If his name wasn’t Von Miller, zero of us would want him on the field.  Cam Lewis is more impactful to this defense than Von Miller at this point. 
 

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by stevestojan