KD in CA Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Dear Conservatives,Do you really believe that outlawing abortions will solve the abortion problem? Thanks, Bluefire 354889[/snapback] What's the 'abortion problem' that you think needs to be solved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman's Helmet Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 What I'm REALLY worried about is kids being killed by strange dogs driving cars. GUNS KILL PEOPLE! WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN? MORE LAWS ARE NEEDED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 What I'm REALLY worried about is kids being killed by strange dogs driving cars. GUNS KILL PEOPLE! WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN? MORE LAWS ARE NEEDED! 356406[/snapback] Oh great. Now I have to go to New Jersey. Thanks a lot. (where's my ammonia?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Hey hey hey, no hatin. 356319[/snapback] Don't worry, we're in this together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Wow, that's blindingly stupid. There are currently 20,000 gun laws on the books but that's not enough for you. Now you're advocating using some kind of cheap technology that doesn't exist on a platform that isn't anywhere near designed for that kind of thing. Forgetting altogether that if it's a cheap computer chip it's also easily hacked. The problem isn't laws, it's enforcement. Try doing that once in awhile instead of sending cops into bars to look for ashtrays. Gun "control" isn't about guns. It's about control and every law that gets passed doesn't do anything except make good citizens into criminals because it's virtually impossible to keep up to date. Criminals don't care about laws and law enforcement (especially at the federal level) is far too selective on what they enforce. I'm sure having highly trained guys sit on the side of the road picking out people who aren't wearing seatbelts is alot more important than catching criminals who commit violent crimes. 354928[/snapback] >>> The problem isn't laws, it's enforcement. Try doing that once in awhile instead of sending cops into bars to look for ashtrays.<<< Well stated AD. Here in NY, "health inspectors" are free to go behind the bar and literally "search" for ashtrays. Great, huh? Cops are also pretty busy standing at road blocks doing seat belt enforcement. "Click-it or Ticket," ya know what I mean? Let's see.....you MUST wear a seat belt in a car, but motorcycles are legal....make sense? Do you think that politicians are getting money from the insurance companies for the seat belt enforcement, or does the left enact these rules because they care about our safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Dear Conservatives,Do you really believe that outlawing abortions will solve the abortion problem? Thanks, Bluefire 354889[/snapback] No, it will not solve the problem. You solve the problem through education- and make it something that people fear, and will only use as a last resort. The thing that people lose sight of is that nobody is actually pro-abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted June 12, 2005 Author Share Posted June 12, 2005 What's the 'abortion problem' that you think needs to be solved? 356380[/snapback] The # of abortions needs to be reduced and the risk factor during abortion needs to be reduced. I know of no one that doesn't think there currently is a problem, or wouldn't like to see the number of abortions reduced. >>> The problem isn't laws, it's enforcement. Try doing that once in awhile instead of sending cops into bars to look for ashtrays.<<< Well stated AD. Here in NY, "health inspectors" are free to go behind the bar and literally "search" for ashtrays. Great, huh? Cops are also pretty busy standing at road blocks doing seat belt enforcement. "Click-it or Ticket," ya know what I mean? Let's see.....you MUST wear a seat belt in a car, but motorcycles are legal....make sense? Do you think that politicians are getting money from the insurance companies for the seat belt enforcement, or does the left enact these rules because they care about our safety? 356487[/snapback] The gun control laws that I'd avocate aren't laws to control guns, but to allow for much better and easier enforcement of our criminal laws. This is what the issue is. I'm not a fan, at all, of grandfather rules such as seat belt laws. Wasting taxpayer money to enforce a click it or ticket campaign is one fo the stupidest things that can be done with that money. Educate the public about seat belts - why they're good to wear and why its important to do so for your safety. After that, its up to each member of society to decide for themselves whether they want to or not. If they don't, natural selection baby! No, it will not solve the problem. You solve the problem through education- and make it something that people fear, and will only use as a last resort. The thing that people lose sight of is that nobody is actually pro-abortion. 356490[/snapback] Indeed, and I agree with you. Although I don't think I'd use the term "fear". Trying to instill fear into a society using shock to regulate soemthing hasn't worked in the war on drugs, and I doubt it would work with abortions. (We might be able to use the tactic to make people ashamed to have an abortion, lol ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 The # of abortions needs to be reduced and the risk factor during abortion needs to be reduced. I know of no one that doesn't think there currently is a problem, or wouldn't like to see the number of abortions reduced.The gun control laws that I'd avocate aren't laws to control guns, but to allow for much better and easier enforcement of our criminal laws. This is what the issue is. I'm not a fan, at all, of grandfather rules such as seat belt laws. Wasting taxpayer money to enforce a click it or ticket campaign is one fo the stupidest things that can be done with that money. Educate the public about seat belts - why they're good to wear and why its important to do so for your safety. After that, its up to each member of society to decide for themselves whether they want to or not. If they don't, natural selection baby! Indeed, and I agree with you. Although I don't think I'd use the term "fear". Trying to instill fear into a society using shock to regulate soemthing hasn't worked in the war on drugs, and I doubt it would work with abortions. (We might be able to use the tactic to make people ashamed to have an abortion, lol ) 356518[/snapback] What about the issue that AD and I raised about smoking in bars? You claim to be a "liberal" who stands for "individual freedom." Please, tell us of your stance on this issue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted June 12, 2005 Author Share Posted June 12, 2005 What about the issue that AD and I raised about smoking in bars? You claim to be a "liberal" who stands for "individual freedom." Please, tell us of your stance on this issue! 356530[/snapback] I don't give a damn if you wanna smoke in bars. I think the laws against it are silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 I don't give a damn if you wanna smoke in bars. I think the laws against it are silly. 356532[/snapback] Then you sir are a rare example of a liberal who is not a hypocrite. My sincere compliments. Btw, it is not the rights of the smoker that concerns me in this instance. It is the rights of the bar (private property) owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Then you sir are a rare example of a liberal who is not a hypocrite. My sincere compliments. Btw, it is not the rights of the smoker that concerns me in this instance. It is the rights of the bar (private property) owner. 356539[/snapback] That's okay, I am a conservative who thinks the exact opposite. So we balance each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 That's okay, I am a conservative who thinks the exact opposite. So we balance each other. 356540[/snapback] Hypocrisy is not confined to those who label themselves as "liberals." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted June 12, 2005 Author Share Posted June 12, 2005 Then you sir are a rare example of a liberal who is not a hypocrite. My sincere compliments. Btw, it is not the rights of the smoker that concerns me in this instance. It is the rights of the bar (private property) owner. 356539[/snapback] Haha, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 Hypocrisy is not confined to those who label themselves as "liberals." 356541[/snapback] I am not. I have been consistent on this issue foreevr. Barking up the wrong tree there Billy Bob. As far as i am concerned all smoking should be outlawed as the second hand smoke is annoying, and dangerous to those within your radius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 I am not. I have been consistent on this issue foreevr. Barking up the wrong tree there Billy Bob. As far as i am concerned all smoking should be outlawed as the second hand smoke is annoying, and dangerous to those within your radius. 356566[/snapback] Yeah, we should put another 50,000,000 people in jail. After that, we can go after fatty foods. Eventually we're going to get to golf, which is environmentally unsound. Get off your high horse and try freedom. It doesn't suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 I am not. I have been consistent on this issue foreevr. Barking up the wrong tree there Billy Bob. As far as i am concerned all smoking should be outlawed as the second hand smoke is annoying, and dangerous to those within your radius. 356566[/snapback] Kiss my marlboro, weenie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 Yeah, we should put another 50,000,000 people in jail. After that, we can go after fatty foods. Eventually we're going to get to golf, which is environmentally unsound. Get off your high horse and try freedom. It doesn't suck. 356573[/snapback] Freedom comes with responsibility. The responsibility not to blow smoke in the air I breath. I don't see how me eating a cheesesteak or hitting a white ball around a field affects anyone else. Of course you smoke in a building I am in or in the doorway just outside that building and I have to breath that sh-- because you have no responsibility to others. Fine smoke, just do it in your car, your house, and out of public doorways, and out of public places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 Freedom comes with responsibility. The responsibility not to blow smoke in the air I breath. I don't see how me eating a cheesesteak or hitting a white ball around a field affects anyone else. Of course you smoke in a building I am in or in the doorway just outside that building and I have to breath that sh-- because you have no responsibility to others. Fine smoke, just do it in your car, your house, and out of public doorways, and out of public places. 356584[/snapback] Well, you don't like the smell, and it's something you don't like period - therefore, in Bill's terms it must be eliminated. What a solution. You want to know what you breathe everyday in downtown DC? People can't smoke in the building anyway, and the indoor air quality probably isn't going to affected much by the random puffs around the doorway. You're probably getting a lot more health damage from the biphenols and such in the air than someone's cancer stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 Freedom comes with responsibility. The responsibility not to blow smoke in the air I breath. I don't see how me eating a cheesesteak or hitting a white ball around a field affects anyone else. Of course you smoke in a building I am in or in the doorway just outside that building and I have to breath that sh-- because you have no responsibility to others. Fine smoke, just do it in your car, your house, and out of public doorways, and out of public places. 356584[/snapback] Freedom also say's kiss my azz. While you're out there on that nice Golf course, you take a nice big swig of air that stinks. Do you know where you're going to wag you finger at? No. you don’t. How about sitting in traffic and smelling the exhaust from the thirty cars around you. They're in my space, my public space. They drive there because they have no rights? No responsibility to others? Should they care about others who smell their exhaust? Light em if you gott'em. I quit smoking, but this BS about public smoking is like being in a Socialist country..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 Freedom comes with responsibility. The responsibility not to blow smoke in the air I breath. I don't see how me eating a cheesesteak or hitting a white ball around a field affects anyone else. Of course you smoke in a building I am in or in the doorway just outside that building and I have to breath that sh-- because you have no responsibility to others. Fine smoke, just do it in your car, your house, and out of public doorways, and out of public places. 356584[/snapback] A bar is PRIVATE property. Tough concept. As far as your eating a cheesesteak, let me know if you're affecting my pocketbook once you're on medicare/caid because that's when it's a hell of alot more intrusive than some guy's cigarette. Second hand smoke outdoors is less dangerous than the sh-- your car puts out. Fug do you sound like a liberal. Go pop a midol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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