Chilly Posted June 10, 2005 Author Share Posted June 10, 2005 And, I know nothing about gardening. I can kill a plastic fern. Is this a GREAT country? Or what? 354951[/snapback] And I can kill a fetus (trying to somehow get it back to the topic at hand). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 I agree with you. And not that I agree with this either, but... Yet, there is a big difference between the gun issue and abortion issue. How easy is it to kill your fetus compared to gun manufacturing being outlawed and having to seek said weapons? If nobody is manufacturing them, It doesn't wipe them out but, dries up a vast majority of them... Maintaining, obtaining parts to keep them working is another story? You did mean manufacturing when you said outlaw? 354918[/snapback] this might sound silly, but...if women who didn't want children would stop manufacturing them...it would help put a dent in the abortion problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 I'm still at UT Austin. 354941[/snapback] is this what sent you spiraling downward into liberalism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 And, I know nothing about gardening. I can kill a plastic fern. 354951[/snapback] How is the plant Kristy and I sent you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 The best way to do this is to create a tracking system, one that sure as hell is a lot better then what we have right now. Track the damn guns and bullets, I'm sure we can figure out a way to do that securely with technology, and make it easier for our police force to enforce, catch, and prosecute violent criminals. 354934[/snapback] Tracking the bullets is going to be difficult. As the monkey mentioned, putting a chip in the bullet itself is difficult for many reasons: 1) If the chip is IN the bullet, you have to make sure it can survive the smelting process of creating the bullet. If it is on the outside, you now have issues of balance and aerodynamics of the bullet. You also need to find a way of making sure it can withstand items 2 and 3 when fired. Depending on th elocation of the chip, you now may have isses with the pressing of the casing. 2) the shock on the bullet when firing 3) the shock on the bullet when it hits its target Bullets can fragment. All of this needs to be considered if you want to add a chip to a bullet (plus some considerations I am probably missing). As far as tracking weapons, there is a crude system in place now. The problem you have is that you need to wait until a crime is committed before you can add a gun to the system, or you risk infringing on civil liberties. The BATF can trace weapons, but that is not always effective or reliable. Don't even get me started on ballistic fingerprinting. Talk about a COMPLETE waste of taxpayer resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Don't even get me started on ballistic fingerprinting. Talk about a COMPLETE waste of taxpayer resources. 355006[/snapback] But it works on CSI Miami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 How is the plant Kristy and I sent you? 354978[/snapback] It's still going strong. Has to be the most durable plant on earth. You guys chose well, for me. I'll take a picture and send it to Kristy to prove it's alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 But it works on CSI Miami 355027[/snapback] Too bad it doesn't work in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 So if abortion becomes illegal. Who goes to jail? -the Doctor? -the Woman? -the person that drove her to the clinic? I am against abortion in principle but do not see a way to legislate it away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Too bad it doesn't work in the real world. 355059[/snapback] CSI Miami isn't the real world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 CSI Miami isn't the real world? 355116[/snapback] DING! Hot Pockets® are ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 So if abortion becomes illegal. Who goes to jail? -the Doctor? -the Woman? -the person that drove her to the clinic? I am against abortion in principle but do not see a way to legislate it away. 355081[/snapback] The first two. Seeing as they're the ones complicit in the murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 this might sound silly, but...if women who didn't want children would stop manufacturing them...it would help put a dent in the abortion problem. 354967[/snapback] You're right. It's sounds silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 I'm probably the only liberal around (I've succumbed to the fact that over the past 4 years I've gone from Conservative to Liberal)... 354916[/snapback] Everybody - and I do mean everybody - goes back and forth between "Liberal" and "Conservative" every day. Anyone who denies it is a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 The first two. Seeing as they're the ones complicit in the murder. 355122[/snapback] Number three could be an accessory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 is this what sent you spiraling downward into liberalism? 354968[/snapback] Being at UT Austin sent me spiraling towards conservatism. I can't handle all these hippies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Hahaha. Actually, the reason why I'm doing it is because I'm still at UT Austin. They had a few openings at the ITS Helpdesk here, and I used to be a Comp Sci major before realizing I really wanted to do Political Science. 354941[/snapback] Great, just what we need- another liberal politician/bureaucrat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 I'm probably the only liberal around (I've succumbed to the fact that over the past 4 years I've gone from Conservative to Liberal) that thinks outlawing guns is a bad idea. Stricter Gun Control good (why the hell can't we insert low-cost computer ID chips into bullets nowadays so that when someone gets shot, we at least have evidence of who the hell bought the bullet), taking Guns away completely bad. Did I mention that I realized I truely am a Liberal? God I hate that word. Anyway, the reason why I mentioned the abortion thing is I was doing some reading on a ban on abortion, and I wanted to know the conservative plan for unsafe abortions. I'm not completely against an abortion ban persay, I would just like to see the money spent to reduce abortions instead of enforcing laws to ban it. Seems like money better spent to me. (ps - respond to that damn PM I sent you!) 354916[/snapback] I don't think that outlawing guns is necessary. Good thing because it's impossible. But I do think that if you have to take written AND practical exams to get a driver's license, it's not too much to expect that you submit to a brief waiting period during which a background check is conducted in order to obtain a gun permit. And I think that keeping loaded guns in a house with children isn't a great idea - that guns in households with children must have some sort of lock on them. Unfortunately since there are morons out there who don't consider this there should be some sort of mandate, like with a penalty, around having those locks. I suppose having your kid die from playing with a loaded gun is a penalty, but that's a little too stiff for me. Perhaps something a little milder would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 I don't think that outlawing guns is necessary. Good thing because it's impossible. But I do think that if you have to take written AND practical exams to get a driver's license, it's not too much to expect that you submit to a brief waiting period during which a background check is conducted in order to obtain a gun permit. And I think that keeping loaded guns in a house with children isn't a great idea - that guns in households with children must have some sort of lock on them. Unfortunately since there are morons out there who don't consider this there should be some sort of mandate, like with a penalty, around having those locks. I suppose having your kid die from playing with a loaded gun is a penalty, but that's a little too stiff for me. Perhaps something a little milder would be better. 355850[/snapback] Could they nationalize all firearm laws, ones that would cover the whole country? This being license and registration tracked to the actual ID number of the product? There is no way you are gonna stop firearms from traveling into areas with tighter restrictions in a "free" society. Can't things be standardized? Things don't have to be tighter, just get everybody on the same page. It has got to be controlled at the source, at manufacturing. The burden has to be there. It is easier to control a small group verses the large masses. Accountability for what they produce and sell has to be at tha level. Maybe drive up prices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 200 Million guns didn't kill anyone yesterday. Your child is more likely to be struck by lightening than injured by a legally held firearm. Your uniformed opinions are just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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