Chilly Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 Dear Conservatives, Do you really believe that outlawing abortions will solve the abortion problem? Thanks, Bluefire
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 Dear Conservatives,Do you really believe that outlawing abortions will solve the abortion problem? Thanks, Bluefire 354889[/snapback] Dear Liberals, Do you really believe that outlawing guns will solve the gun violence problem? Well, whaddaya know...it works both ways... It's not like either side of the aisle is immune from the "let's stick our heads in the sand and hope it goes away" attitude towards issues. The only real difference is the windmills at which they wish to tilt.
Chilly Posted June 10, 2005 Author Posted June 10, 2005 Dear Liberals, Do you really believe that outlawing guns will solve the gun violence problem? Well, whaddaya know...it works both ways... It's not like either side of the aisle is immune from the "let's stick our heads in the sand and hope it goes away" attitude towards issues. The only real difference is the windmills at which they wish to tilt. 354905[/snapback] I'm probably the only liberal around (I've succumbed to the fact that over the past 4 years I've gone from Conservative to Liberal) that thinks outlawing guns is a bad idea. Stricter Gun Control good (why the hell can't we insert low-cost computer ID chips into bullets nowadays so that when someone gets shot, we at least have evidence of who the hell bought the bullet), taking Guns away completely bad. Did I mention that I realized I truely am a Liberal? God I hate that word. Anyway, the reason why I mentioned the abortion thing is I was doing some reading on a ban on abortion, and I wanted to know the conservative plan for unsafe abortions. I'm not completely against an abortion ban persay, I would just like to see the money spent to reduce abortions instead of enforcing laws to ban it. Seems like money better spent to me. (ps - respond to that damn PM I sent you!)
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 Dear Liberals, Do you really believe that outlawing guns will solve the gun violence problem? Well, whaddaya know...it works both ways... It's not like either side of the aisle is immune from the "let's stick our heads in the sand and hope it goes away" attitude towards issues. The only real difference is the windmills at which they wish to tilt. 354905[/snapback] I agree with you. And not that I agree with this either, but... Yet, there is a big difference between the gun issue and abortion issue. How easy is it to kill your fetus compared to gun manufacturing being outlawed and having to seek said weapons? If nobody is manufacturing them, It doesn't wipe them out but, dries up a vast majority of them... Maintaining, obtaining parts to keep them working is another story? You did mean manufacturing when you said outlaw?
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 I agree with you. And not that I agree with this either, but... Yet, there is a big difference between the gun issue and abortion issue. How easy is it to kill your fetus compared to gun manufacturing being outlawed and having to seek said weapons? If nobody is manufacturing them, It doesn't wipe them out but, dries up a vast majority of them... Maintaining, obtaining parts to keep them working is another story? You did mean manufacturing when you said outlaw? 354918[/snapback] I was thinking manufacturing...but that wasn't my point anyway. My point was that the problems with gun violence/abortion are far beyond the issues of the availability of guns/abortions...but in each case, the "anti-" party's solution is the same: treat the symptom by outlawing guns/abortion, and pretend that it will, through some sympathetic voodoo magic, cure the actual problem (crime/unwanted pregnancies). And then each party pretends that they're somehow the better party for actually caring about solving the problem and portarys the other as some slavering bloodlustful group of thoughtless savages...when the truth is, neither one can analyse an issue beyond the most blatant surface symptoms (guns/abortions). It wasn't my intent to equate guns to abortions. It WAS my intent to show, very concisely and clearly, that each party pulls the exact same bull sh--. They just choose different issues to pull it on.
Alaska Darin Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 Stricter Gun Control good (why the hell can't we insert low-cost computer ID chips into bullets nowadays so that when someone gets shot, we at least have evidence of who the hell bought the bullet), taking Guns away completely bad. 354916[/snapback] Wow, that's blindingly stupid. There are currently 20,000 gun laws on the books but that's not enough for you. Now you're advocating using some kind of cheap technology that doesn't exist on a platform that isn't anywhere near designed for that kind of thing. Forgetting altogether that if it's a cheap computer chip it's also easily hacked. The problem isn't laws, it's enforcement. Try doing that once in awhile instead of sending cops into bars to look for ashtrays. Gun "control" isn't about guns. It's about control and every law that gets passed doesn't do anything except make good citizens into criminals because it's virtually impossible to keep up to date. Criminals don't care about laws and law enforcement (especially at the federal level) is far too selective on what they enforce. I'm sure having highly trained guys sit on the side of the road picking out people who aren't wearing seatbelts is alot more important than catching criminals who commit violent crimes.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 Wow, that's blindingly stupid. There are currently 20,000 gun laws on the books but that's not enough for you. Now you're advocating using some kind of cheap technology that doesn't exist on a platform that isn't anywhere near designed for that kind of thing. Forgetting altogether that if it's a cheap computer chip it's also easily hacked. 354928[/snapback] And the technical issues: tiny computer chips embedded in hunks of metal that undergo severe shocks and accellerations. Tiny computer chips do not handle those kinds of stresses all that well. Want to embed chips in bullets. Go ahead...but to disable the chips, all you're going to have to do is fire the damned bullets, which kind of defeats the purpose...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 And the technical issues: tiny computer chips embedded in hunks of metal that undergo severe shocks and accellerations. Tiny computer chips do not handle those kinds of stresses all that well. Want to embed chips in bullets. Go ahead...but to disable the chips, all you're going to have to do is fire the damned bullets, which kind of defeats the purpose... 354929[/snapback] We actually have some, but maybe the method to the madness is it would make each bullet cost $143,176.78
Chilly Posted June 10, 2005 Author Posted June 10, 2005 Wow, that's blindingly stupid. There are currently 20,000 gun laws on the books but that's not enough for you. Now you're advocating using some kind of cheap technology that doesn't exist on a platform that isn't anywhere near designed for that kind of thing. Forgetting altogether that if it's a cheap computer chip it's also easily hacked. In this world of DRM being built into CPU hardware I'm sure we could figure out a way to do it within the next decade. The problem isn't laws, it's enforcement. Try doing that once in awhile instead of sending cops into bars to look for ashtrays. Gun "control" isn't about guns. It's about control and every law that gets passed doesn't do anything except make good citizens into criminals because it's virtually impossible to keep up to date. Criminals don't care about laws and law enforcement (especially at the federal level) is far too selective on what they enforce. I'm sure having highly trained guys sit on the side of the road picking out people who aren't wearing seatbelts is alot more important than catching criminals who commit violent crimes. 354928[/snapback] The weird part is I agree with you - there are too many laws on guns and its far too restrictive. I'm not a big fan myself of owning guns. I have many friends who are. Its mighty cool to hold one, and it certaintly makes you feel powerful. I also have gone shooting with them. I have no problems if other people want to own a gun. Own all the guns that you want. We need a solution however to track crimes much better then we have right now. Society is never going to be able to stop murdering with just a gun ban. If someone is that psychotic to begin with here in the US, they'll find a way to do it - Guns, Knife, Bomb, whatever. The issue is locking up the people that do it so that they aren't part of society anymore. The best way to do this is to create a tracking system, one that sure as hell is a lot better then what we have right now. Track the damn guns and bullets, I'm sure we can figure out a way to do that securely with technology, and make it easier for our police force to enforce, catch, and prosecute violent criminals.
Chilly Posted June 10, 2005 Author Posted June 10, 2005 And the technical issues: tiny computer chips embedded in hunks of metal that undergo severe shocks and accellerations. Tiny computer chips do not handle those kinds of stresses all that well. Want to embed chips in bullets. Go ahead...but to disable the chips, all you're going to have to do is fire the damned bullets, which kind of defeats the purpose... 354929[/snapback] Forgive me, for half my mind is currently being used for Captain Morgan's evil deeds. We actually have some, but maybe the method to the madness is it would make each bullet cost $143,176.78 354932[/snapback] Technology's costs and prices drop relatively fast nowadays. But I will admit, I of course thought about a chip first because my damn job is doing computer support (course I guess that means I should realize that a chip can't be made to do that, quite the conundrum!). Basically, I'd like to see a system to track criminals rather then a system outlawing guns - make the bullets trackable somehow.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 We actually have some, but maybe the method to the madness is it would make each bullet cost $143,176.78 354932[/snapback] Which itself shows just how simple it's not. You don't just etch a silicon chip like you would a $2 transistor and stick it in a bullet. You design a whole new plant to implement a whole new process to make a chip that costs as much as a house...and probably still breaks 30% of the time anyway...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 Forgive me, for half my mind is currently being used for Captain Morgan's evil deeds.Technology's costs and prices drop relatively fast nowadays. But I will admit, I of course thought about a chip first because my damn job is doing computer support (course I guess that means I should realize that a chip can't be made to do that, quite the conundrum!). Basically, I'd like to see a system to track criminals rather then a system outlawing guns - make the bullets trackable somehow. 354935[/snapback] Is there ANYONE not doing computer support? I'm getting frightened again...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 Which itself shows just how simple it's not. You don't just etch a silicon chip like you would a $2 transistor and stick it in a bullet. You design a whole new plant to implement a whole new process to make a chip that costs as much as a house...and probably still breaks 30% of the time anyway... 354937[/snapback] WTF knows or cares? I just work on where they're going.
Chilly Posted June 10, 2005 Author Posted June 10, 2005 Is there ANYONE not doing computer support? I'm getting frightened again... 354938[/snapback] Hahaha. Actually, the reason why I'm doing it is because I'm still at UT Austin. They had a few openings at the ITS Helpdesk here, and I used to be a Comp Sci major before realizing I really wanted to do Political Science. I had the qualifications as in high school I took a class that was basically learning how to support computers and then doing it for the school (hey, it was a helluva lot better then some stupid "elective" that wasn't interesting). I just started 3 weeks ago. Its a great job. I'm only taking one class this summer on political parties in the US and the World, but the class is in the same damn building I work in. Convenient, and they schedule around my classes. I do have a funny story though. Someone called up the other day and, I swear to god, the phone call went like this: "Thank you for calling the ITS Helpdesk, can I have your UT EID please?" *gives UT EID* "How can I help you today?" "Uh yeah I was drunk last night and pissed on my resnet port" Resnet port is the ethernet port we put in every dorm room so people can use the internet from the dorms. We had to send a guy out to replace the wiring in it. WTF knows or cares? I just work on where they're going. 354939[/snapback] What do you actually do anyway? I've heard rumors that you live in Washington and know a lot of the people there.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 What do you actually do anyway? I've heard rumors that you live in Washington and know a lot of the people there. 354941[/snapback] Don't listen to a word he says. He's just a gardener.
BF in Indiana Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 ID chips in bullets... If anybody needs me I'll be in the backyard shooting at my propane tank.
SilverNRed Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 Dear Conservatives,Do you really believe that outlawing abortions will solve the abortion problem? Thanks, Bluefire 354889[/snapback] No.
Ghost of BiB Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 Don't listen to a word he says. He's just a gardener. 354943[/snapback] I don't do anything....but I get paid for it anyway. Just ask Canal Guy in Illinois.
Chilly Posted June 10, 2005 Author Posted June 10, 2005 I don't do anything....but I get paid for it anyway. Just ask Canal Guy in Illinois. 354949[/snapback] So you're that guy from Office Space who is good with dealing with customers?
Ghost of BiB Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 And, I know nothing about gardening. I can kill a plastic fern. Is this a GREAT country? Or what?
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