Broncos benching Wilson

[TheyCallMeAndy]

16 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

Arent those Lamar Jackson numbers? 😈

Lamar wishes those were his numbers 😂

[Einstein]

26 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

The Pats were ready to run out the clock and go to OT (2 rushes with less than a minute left) and Payton used Broncos timeouts in a stupid effort to try to get the ball back.

 

That was 100% the right decision. 

 

Those timeouts got his offense the ball back, with a chance to go and win the game with a field goal.

 

You would have had him NOT give his team the ball back with a chance to win it? They only had to get a measly 21 yards for a field goal try!

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, H2o said:

This is one of those deals where the stats don't tell the whole story. Russ is a vet. He should be able to pick up on things fairly quick at this point as there isn't much he has not seen. He's having a problem running Sean Payton's offense the way Sean wants it run. He also misses wide open WR's on the field an awful lot, and has since he arrived in Denver. Can't tell you how many times he's had guys wide open for what would have been drive extending plays, chunk plays, or TD's and he just doesn't see them. He's also holding onto the ball, A LOT, and it's led to him being sacked 3 times a game on average. This doesn't count how many other pressures or hits he takes because he's back there looking clueless at times. 

 

100%. If ever there is a case in modern times of stats hiding the story Russ in Denver is it. 

[Gregg]

So where does he end up. Pittsburgh, Atlanta. Maybe Minnesota if Cousins doesn't resign there. 

[Southern_Bills]

1 minute ago, Gregg said:

So where does he end up. Pittsburgh, Atlanta. Maybe Minnesota if Cousins doesn't resign there. 

 

Put of all those teams only Atlanta would be foolish enough to do it.

 

I'm not sure anyone will be interested in Russ.

[Bray Wyatt]

3 minutes ago, Gregg said:

So where does he end up. Pittsburgh, Atlanta. Maybe Minnesota if Cousins doesn't resign there. 

 

New England?

[Gregg]

Just now, Southern_Bills said:

 

Put of all those teams only Atlanta would be foolish enough to do it.

 

I'm not sure anyone will be interested in Russ.

 

The Steelers QB situation isn't that great. Their defense has to play their ass off to keep them in games. Is Pickett really the answer going forward. I could see the Steelers taking a chance if the price is right.

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

Considering the Broncos are very much alive for the playoffs they are basically making the decision to move from Wilson now.

 

Regardless I actually though he had a solid bounce back type of year and can't blame him for losing to the Patriots.

There are 6 teams ahead of them vying for 3 spots.  They are hardly "very much alive" for the playoffs.  

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, Gregg said:

So where does he end up. Pittsburgh, Atlanta. Maybe Minnesota if Cousins doesn't resign there. 

 

I'm not a huge college fan so it depends on how many quality QBs are going to be drafted in the Top 10-12.

Your teams are the ones probably too far away to get one.  So I kind of agree with you.

 

3 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

Put of all those teams only Atlanta would be foolish enough to do it.

 

I'm not sure anyone will be interested in Russ.

 

Denver will eat $68M in cap.  A team trading for him would have him for 2 years with a total cost of $54M.

He has no dead cap after that so a team could move on after 2 years.

 

I can see someone doing that.

[CNYfan]

Someone later in the 1st or 2nd may see Russ as a "bridge" for a year and then a backup for a year, if they draft a more raw talent at QB

[Aussie Joe]

12 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

Put of all those teams only Atlanta would be foolish enough to do it.

 

I'm not sure anyone will be interested in Russ.

Come on..

 

He is going to end up somewhere 

[WotAGuy]

Worst signing?  Von or Russ?

Both very highly paid end of career guys filling a major need.
I think Russ. Broncos missed a chance to tank for a franchise guy. 
Bills hurt themselves cap-wise but didn’t set themselves back too severely. 

[SinceThe70s]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Did. Not. See. that. coming.

 

Is there precedent for a team benching their starter when they are still mathematically alive for the playoffs?

I grant that after the last two losses, their odds are apparently very low

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-playoff-picture-broncos-arent-technically-eliminated-yet/ar-AA1m2PHq

 

 

Vegas sent Carr home last year with two games left when they were still mathematically alive. Ironically it was also for Stidham. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Let Russ simmer

Does this mean Subway is going to let Wilson sell that f****** sandwich? 🤔

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

I can definitely see them going after Kirk Cousins

Never do it.  The oxygen is so thin in the Mile High city that he'll pass out doing his "YOU LIKE THAT?!?!" shtick. 🤨

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

They are telling players and fans that it was a screw up to sign Wilson.

Not like they didn’t already know.

[Albany,n.y.]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

Come on..

 

He is going to end up somewhere 

Not with his current contract. Nobody is trading for him unless he agrees to a massive pay cut.  

[Beck Water]

37 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Wilson’s numbers are very deceiving. He has a sky-high 9.1 percent sack rate (it was even worse last year: 10.2) which is why they are 21st in net yards per pass attempt, 25th in yards overall, and 28th in plays per drive. Sacks are very often the fault of the QB, and in Wilson’s case it seems pretty obvious from the games that a lot of it is him. Sacks are total drive killers, and you simply can’t be a sack machine — especially when you can’t compensate for it by being a great running qb, which he no longer really is. He’s only slightly above average on that front now. He also has 10 fumbles.

I advise that you check out the sack numbers. They are sky high.

 

Fair points.  Agree completely on the impact of sacks - some coaches rate them as similar to a turnover.  But, I hadn't watched enough Broncos games to have a sense of whether Wilson was at fault or whether they were expecting him to operate behind scraps and turnstiles on OL.  

 

I had the impression, the latter, but there may well be designed hot reads Wilson isn't taking, as well - he certainly had a pattern as a Seattle QB of ignoring the hot read to try to extend plays and create.  (As Allen has done at times)

 

He does have 10 fumbles, only 5 fumbles lost FWIW.

 

The thing is, if they're going to bite the bullet, eat the massive dead cap next year, and move on from Wilson, What's the Plan at QB?  They've been a bit too successful to draft a QB high.  They still owe the Saints their 2nd round pick this year as part of the trade for Sean Payton so their maneuvering room in the draft will be limited.

Edited December 27, 2023 by Beck Water

[DCofNC]

12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm not a huge college fan so it depends on how many quality QBs are going to be drafted in the Top 10-12.

Your teams are the ones probably too far away to get one.  So I kind of agree with you.

 

 

Denver will eat $68M in cap.  A team trading for him would have him for 2 years with a total cost of $54M.

He has no dead cap after that so a team could move on after 2 years.

 

I can see someone doing that.

Nobody is paying that disaster 27+ a year, on the open market he’s worth MAYBE 15.  Ok, reality like 5 as a back up, but his name might carry him.   Better off w Mayfield by a mile.

Edited December 27, 2023 by DCofNC

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Not with his current contract. Nobody is trading for him unless he agrees to a massive pay cut.  

Ok… they can’t trade him so they will cut him…

 

He has not played his last game of football…. He will play next year for someone 

[Gregg]