Your Top 5 MVP vote if you were a voter

[Mikie2times]

11 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

It’s actually quite normal in playoff football. QB’s get you to the playoffs. The defense that shows up often makes it to the Super Bowl. There are a lot of great QB’s in the playoffs every year. 

I can’t tell you why the Bills defense has underperformed so often. 

2 of the last 14 Super Bowl participants scored under 20 points in a playoff game and still made the Super Bowl. Buffalo has done it 3 times. So while I would like to agree with this, the modern game really isn't trending that way anymore. Even if it was, is our defense going to hold up in an under 20 playoff game? It has once.  Unless we really figure some things out the answer to that is no.  I also don't think anybody is celebrating Montana and Brady and more recently Mahomes for what they did in the regular season.  Your comment about QB's not being prime for key output in the playoffs is just not right. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

8 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Your comment about QB's not being prime for key output in the playoffs is just not right. 

well our QB balls out in the playoffs too so that is fine. He’s not Joe Burrow in the playoffs. 

12 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

2 of the last 14 Super Bowl participants scored under 20 points in a playoff game and still made the Super Bowl. Buffalo has done it 3 times.

 

I’m guessing the Bengals have to be one of those 2 teams as well to score under 20 and make the Super Bowl. 
 

I’ll say that is surprising as that is a lot of games and would figure there would be more teams out of the 28 qualifying to have scored under 20.
 

But there is also a large difference between under 20 and 38+ Most teams I guess will give up between 20 and 27 on average which makes quite a few more games winnable. 

[Chugga]

If you go by the way I view the definition of “most valuable player” there’s no doubt in my mind that if you removed Josh Allen from the Bills we are a 2-13 team.  He is the most valuable player in the league.  The Ravens have survived without Lamar.  For as amazing as Mccaffrey and Hill are if you remove both of them their teams are still winning games.  Maybe not as many but they are winning.  At this point I don’t even know if I can ever take Burrow seriously as an MVP candidate moving forward with his replacement winning them games.  So for me as long as the Bills win out and finish in the top 2 in their conference my top 5 are….

 

1.  Allen

2.  Hill

3.  Mccaffrey

4.  Lamar

5.  Don’t care

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

well our QB balls out in the playoffs too so that is fine. He’s not Joe Burrow in the playoffs. 

Nobody is in the same universe as Mahomes who is active in the playoffs

 

 

Burrow has not shown as high a ceiling as Allen, but he has kept the floor higher. Burrows 2nd worst performance in QBR is the same as Allens 4th worst performance. 

 

 

Outside Mahomes TB Super Bowl, Allen has the two lowest ratings out of all the games combined.

 

His % of playoff games under a 90 rating is 55%. Burrows is 28.5% and Mahomes is 21.4%

 

Playoffs are less about being great and more about not being awful. 

 

 

 

[Mikie2times]

21 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

well our QB balls out in the playoffs too so that is fine. He’s not Joe Burrow in the playoffs. 

 

I’m guessing the Bengals have to be one of those 2 teams as well to score under 20 and make the Super Bowl. 
 

I’ll say that is surprising as that is a lot of games and would figure there would be more teams out of the 28 qualifying to have scored under 20.
 

But there is also a large difference between under 20 and 38+ Most teams I guess will give up between 20 and 27 on average which makes quite a few more games winnable. 

It's the last 7 Super Bowls, 14 participants. We will be fine if we can get to 20+. It's been that way in the regular season for the most part as well. 

 

Yes, the Bengals scored 19. It's a real mix. The floor needs to be 20+ but certainly plenty of teams that rolled 30 the entire way. I don't see us being that sort of team.

 

I'm hopeful with how we have developed our running game that perhaps we can Bengal our way to victory in some of these games where Josh is below 80 in rating. We used to just keep passing in those games prior and was like putting us in quick sand. More we fought, the worse it got. A solid ground game gives us a foundation to win ugly as we did vs KC and the Chargers. You have to like Allen late in those ugly games. 

[The Jokeman]

1. Josh Allen

2. Christian McCaffrey

3. Ty Hill

4. Lamar Jackson

5. Dak Prescott

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

6 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

 

Playoffs are less about being great and more about not being awful. 

 

I disagree. 
 

Allen needed to be great against the Chiefs x2, Colts and Bengals to have any chance to win those games. An average performance  in either would not have been enough. Bills were eliminated in three out of those 4 games. Allen was great in two of them and Bills were 1-1. The other two he was poor to maybe slightly below average, but average performances would not have made a difference. He needed great performances in those two games. 
 

And didn’t you basically just say the opposite in your post prior? QB’s being prime for key output?

 

if your defense can hold a team to under 24 points I suppose the QB doesn’t need to be as great as often. 

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

I disagree. 
 

Allen needed to be great against the Chiefs x2, Colts and Bengals to have any chance to win those games. An average performance  in either would not have been enough. Bills were eliminated in three out of those 4 games. Allen was great in two of them and Bills were 1-1. The other two he was poor to maybe slightly below average, but average performances would not have made a difference. He needed great performances in those two games. 
 

And didn’t you basically just say the opposite in your post prior? QB’s being prime for key output?

 

if your defense can hold a team to under 24 points I suppose the QB doesn’t need to be as great as often. 

I'm not asking Allen to be great. If he has to do so, I hope he can deliver as he has at times before. Yes, I expect a generational QB to step up in the playoffs but being successful in playoffs has a lot of paths. I don't think we can win on Josh's back alone and that's not what I'm asking. I view our path with how Brady is managing the offense as being more Bengal like. Run dominant. Limit mistakes. Keep it close and trust your franchise guy to win it at the end. With that, I'm asking Allen to be consistent. Minimum 80-85 rating. Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen are 1-4 combined when they have under an 80 rating. Josh has two under 70 ratings.  That is a guaranteed exit and the formula we are trying to employ will not work if that occurs.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

32 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Looking at these playoff splits again I see that Burrow is the only one of the three to have a lower post season passer rating than regular season rating.

 

So playing better or worse in the postseason over regular season expectations:

 

Mahomes reg 103.4 / post 107.4 = +4 better in post season

 

Allen reg 92.5 / post 99.6 = +7 better in postseason

 

Burrow reg 98.6 / post 93.8 = -5 worse in the postseason

 

Also, this is strictly passer rating. Allen’s bread and butter is Total QBR. I would assume the difference is even more in favor of Allen over Burrow if we looked at Total QBR.