Will the Chiefs Fire Reid?

[BBFL]

32 minutes ago, Westside said:

We haven’t been sub .500 this year. Don’t make up stuff to prove your point.

You’re right, I thought we were 4-5 after Denver. Forgot about the Washington blowout. Either way, that isn’t of use to prove my point as the team was still in a slump which is when the head rolling wanted to be done; which partly it was with Dorsey. Calling people crazy during and underwhelming start is completely outlandish, there was some merit to be had for the calling of it. 
 

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Edited December 27, 2023 by BBFL

[chongli]

45 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Why would Bienemy want to step backwards, is he being fired by the Commanders?  ( the place where dreams go to die) 

 

Who knows...Washington is a sh*t show. But if Rivera is fired, KC at that point, if they want him, might be Bienemy's only choice.

[Don Otreply]

5 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Who knows...Washington is a sh*t show. But if Rivera is fired, KC at that point, if they want him, might be Bienemy's only choice.

The NFL is full of retread coaches with worse track records than Bienemy, after all he has a couple SB rings as an OC ish…, 

[SoMAn]

1 hour ago, longtimebillsfan said:

That was Michelangelo Buonarroti several centuries before Rembrandt.

Uhh, yeah, no kidding. It also wasn’t called the ‘sistern’ chapel.  It’s humor. 
Obviously, Rembrandt was busy with Whistlers Miother.  Or that guy from Depew, Jackson Polack. 
 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, section122 said:

 

After he went 4-11-1 and refused to fire his oc.  That's a far cry from anything McD has done.

 

Everytime this comes up I ask which year did the Bills lose in the playoffs with the better team? There isn't one.

 

Allen is one of the top 3 qbs in the league.  The Bills have only lost to the other 2 top guys.

 

At least 1 guy in the thread is being honest.  He hasnt moved past 13 seconds.  I feel everyone who wants him fired is in the same boat.

13 seconds is a pretty big boat...almost an ark.

[FilthyBeast]

They've won like 10 straight division titles and still pretty much a lock for division/playoffs. And honestly I wouldn't bury them just yet anyway because I still think that defense is truly elite and will be one of best ever in NFL history when it's all said and done, which is why they can still beat anybody and win another SB this year.

 

But as much as a lot of us hate the Chiefs, you know that Brett Veach is going to rectify the situation in the offseason and bring in an elite #1 WR no matter what happens and how their season ends this year.

[Danger Mouse]

20 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

When Reid was fired from Philly, he didn't have a Allen/Mahomes elite qb.  McDermott has had Josh for 7 years and still struggles to get beyond the divisional round. I admire and appreciate the team rallying around McD after the Dunne piece.  But you can't just assume his game management issues will just magically disappear.  We should've won at least 1 championship with Josh.  

Don Shula never won a superbowl with Dan Marino.

 

Both were generational talents in their roles.

 

Winning is never guaranteed. 

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

McDermott did have a choice - he could have started someone other than one of the worst NFL QBs in recent memory, in Nathan Peterman.  After the Peterman debacle in 2017, why did McDermott go back to Peterman again?  Another example of McDermott's stubbornness.

 

I don't think it was about Nathan Peterman.  I think it was about McDermott's philosophy about the right way to develop a young QB.

 

For those who are old enough to remember, back in 1970 we drafted a good college QB named Dennis Shaw and started him right away.  But it was a crap team with a crap offensive line.   He was sacked something like 40 times during his rookie year and his career sputtered thereafter.  Some people said it was because we threw him to the wolves and destroyed his confidence and poise instead of developing him patiently and methodically.  

 

I don't think McD wasn't asking who was better: Peterman or Allen.  I think he was asking what's the best way to develop this raw but talented rookie.  

 

2 minutes ago, Bill Grundy said:

Don Shula never won a superbowl with Dan Marino.

 

Both were generational talents in their roles.

 

Winning is never guaranteed. 

 

Great point.

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by hondo in seattle

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, section122 said:

Everytime this comes up I ask which year did the Bills lose in the playoffs with the better team? There isn't one.

 

So to be clear, your defense of McDermott is that he can't win a Super Bowl unless he is gifted the best roster in the NFL to go along with an elite QB? Interestingly I share the same opinion as you but take away the opposite conclusion.

 

Either way I'm tabling this discussion until after the season ends. A competitive AFCCG appearance should be the expected floor this year. Poor coaching has already lost us one game against a championship caliber opponent in the past month. If it happens again in the playoffs we will just have to accept that that is who McDermott is.

[Comebackkid]

4 hours ago, Billsflyer12 said:

There must be a lot of new posters here on the board or just blind McD loyalists.  The reasons so many think the chances the McD ever wins a Super Bowl with the Bills are extremely low have been posted with lots of data, statistics and reasons like maybe 100 times.  Literally.  There has also been EXTENSIVE talk about other examples of coaches being replaced with much better resumes than McD.

 

 If anyone at all cares about a reasoned arguments, whether you agree or not, they are so easy to find on this board in tons of places.  My guess is at this point neither side is changing each others mind.  The reality is the only person whose opinion matters on this topic is Terry, and I don’t get the sense that there is anything McD can do that ever gets him to replace him.

considering rex ryan was terry's other choice, do we really want to gamble on him making a 3rd coaching decision?  

[90sBills]

4 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

Fire him I say ... Get rid of him KC, he'll never win you another Super Bowl ... They should trade Mahomes to the NFC or CFL as well.

FYI…this thread is about McD. Bait and switch title. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

No way he gets fired.  But they will add a coach to be the disciplinarian, to replace what they are missing without Bienemy.  They are clearly missing him, not as a play caller, but as an authority figure.  

[HardyBoy]

21 hours ago, BBFL said:

Crazies? Bit of a reach there bud… Most fans who wanted McD gone was during the team spiraling out of control and being sub .500 as a result of coaching errors and issues. Don’t think that is being crazy when you have a top 3 QB in the league with repeated failures in the playoffs to boot. 

 

And those people were the most annoying entitled people I've ever met and I didn't realize the bills fanbase is suddenly brimming with that type of negativity and scapegoating... it was gross, it made for a very unenjoyable stretch...bunch of whiners 

[longtimebillsfan]

2 hours ago, SoMAn said:

Uhh, yeah, no kidding. It also wasn’t called the ‘sistern’ chapel.  It’s humor. 
Obviously, Rembrandt was busy with Whistlers Miother.  Or that guy from Depew, Jackson Polack. 
 

Humor is very subjective.

 

It was an attempt at humor.

[Reks Ryan]

22 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

As it stands McD is one of 3 coaches in the Super Bowl era who has a .600 or better regular season record and no conference championship. He is 4-5 in the playoffs. 4-4 with Allen. Reid is 11-3 with 3 AFC Championships and two Super Bowls with Mahomes. One is trending toward Marty and the other is trending toward football immortality. Comparing the two is just lazy to be honest. Unless you want to compare Philadelphia Andy Reid, but even then he got an NFC championship in his 6th season. 

You mention Marty below, but who is the 3rd coach w .600+ record in the regular season?

 

I thought it might be Chuck Knox who coached Rams, Bills, Seahawks, & Rams again.  But I looked it up and he finished @ .558 for his careeer.  He did coach teams to 7 playoff wins, overall 7 - 11 in postseason and never made a SB run.   Knox was actually right  @ .600 winning % until he returned to the Rams from 1992 - 1994 and went 15 - 33 to bring his % down before he retired.   Knox has 193 total wins, which is #11 all time

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Reks Ryan said:

You mention Marty below, but who is the 3rd coach w .600+ record in the regular season?

 

I thought it might be Chuck Knox who coached Rams, Bills, Seahawks, & Rams again.  But I looked it up and he finished @ .558 for his careeer.  He did coach teams to 7 playoff wins, overall 7 - 11 in postseason and never made a SB run.   Knox was actually right  @ .600 winning % until he returned to the Rams from 1992 - 1994 and went 15 - 33 to bring his % down before he retired.   Knox has 193 total wins, which is #11 all time

Matt LaFleur and Marty are the two others. 

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

This is the kind of thinking that can screw you. With the Bills  in particular,  with all those years of zero playoff appearances,  it's easy to look back on what we were before McDermott and say we're better sticking where we are, but if that leads to a Marvin Lewis situation what is it really achieving? 

Marvin Lewis never won a playoff game.  That's a major difference.  Tony Dungy with Peyton Manning is the more apt comparison.  Dungy had mixed playoff success (3-4) and made the playoffs each year with Manning for the first four.  It took him until his 5th year there to win the Super Bowl though and get past the Pats.  We're in the middle of year four with Josh as an elite QB under McDermott where are playoff record is 4-3 since Josh became Josh.  

[Toledo Bill]

23 hours ago, Blackbeard said:

If you get a team that makes playoffs yearly, you don't change a lot at coaching imo.

 

You crazies that think ousting McDermott will get us a Lombardi are bonkers.  We should be ECSTATIC to have such a coach here.  Especially given the fact coaches aren't just around in mass quantities.   Good ones that is.

 

 

If Kansas City didn’t have that penalty and we lost due to that crazy play… people would be singing a different tune.

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Marvin Lewis never won a playoff game.  That's a major difference.  Tony Dungy with Peyton Manning is the more apt comparison.  Dungy had mixed playoff success (3-4) and made the playoffs each year with Manning for the first four.  It took him until his 5th year there to win the Super Bowl though and get past the Pats.  We're in the middle of year four with Josh as an elite QB under McDermott where are playoff record is 4-3 since Josh became Josh.  

I think Dungy is a very accurate comparison. Always have. Even focuses on a similar defensive concept.  Ironically, Caldwell, a JAG HC went to a SB the first year he was gone. Then the same thing in Tampa. Nobody would say Dungy wasn't a good coach but he captures the argumenty perfectly. How did those Colts only manage one Super Bowl? Which we can get into. Manning in the playoffs, the Patriots, etc. But I would say Allen and McD actually have a more favorable landscape. Brady and the Patriots were more daunting than Mahomes and KC. Thinking about Dungy just makes me want McD out even more. He's just enough, just like Dungy always was. Just enough is probably more dangerous than bad. Just enough to lose a lot of time. 

[Mikie2times]

10 minutes ago, Toledo Bill said:

If Kansas City didn’t have that penalty and we lost due to that crazy play… people would be singing a different tune.

We entered the season with clear goals and clear concerns. In the category of key goals was an AFC Championship and perhaps more. Playoffs were assumed and nearly laughed at when people said that could be at risk. Key concerns was winning close games. Better game management. Better defensive performance in late games and as a whole. 

 

The Taylor Dunne piece and Dorsey firing changed everything. Now a three game win streak in the regular season and a possible playoff birth has people talking about how an early playoff exit isn't even a failure. How we have overcome adversity to get here. Bla Bla Bla. We created the adversity in getting here. We have only added more questions to the key concerns. I don't understand how the goal posts have shifted this much. We have one of the best QB's on the planet, a pretty decent roster, and a horrible conference to work with and our base is happy with a wild card. 

 

We will see how this goes. If it's anything like the past I will probably take a break from posting if the same people want to justify it.