4 game stretch revisited

[Ya Digg?]

There was A LOT of talk before this 4 game stretch that the Bills would be lucky to win 1, maybe 2 games. They ended up going 3-1 and are a Jake Elliott absolute bomb from 59 yards from going 4-0. Say what you will about them being LuCkY but have some appreciation for how the team played over the last 4. Bottom line, they handled their business-now keep it going through these final 2 games and into the playoffs 

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

There was A LOT of talk before this 4 game stretch that the Bills would be lucky to win 1, maybe 2 games. They ended up going 3-1 and are a Jake Elliott absolute bomb from 59 yards from going 4-0. Say what you will about them being LuCkY but have some appreciation for how the team played over the last 4. Bottom line, they handled their business-now keep it going through these final 2 games and into the playoffs 

 

Or a Gabe Davis turn the right way in OT

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

13 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

There was A LOT of talk before this 4 game stretch that the Bills would be lucky to win 1, maybe 2 games. They ended up going 3-1 and are a Jake Elliott absolute bomb from 59 yards from going 4-0. Say what you will about them being LuCkY but have some appreciation for how the team played over the last 4. Bottom line, they handled their business-now keep it going through these final 2 games and into the playoffs 

Anyone saying the bills are lucky has not been paying attention lol. We might be the unluckiest team in the league…the giants gift didn’t really move the needle at all with how much bad luck we’ve had.   Kickers never miss against us, wrs come down with wildly improbable tds against us with absolute regularity, bass has missed three fgs in our close losses, defenders intercept any pass that is anywhere near them, fumbles seem to never bounce back to us.  Watching a non bills game is crazy defenders are dropping balls that hit them right in the bread basket 😂 injuries to pretty much every one of our key defensive players…its been a mess 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Mr. WEO]

14 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

There was A LOT of talk before this 4 game stretch that the Bills would be lucky to win 1, maybe 2 games.

 

 

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[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

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[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Anyone saying the bills are lucky has not been paying attention lol. We might be the unluckiest team in the league…the giants gift didn’t really move the needle at all with how much bad luck we’ve had.   Kickers never miss against us, wrs come down with wildly improbable tds against us with absolute regularity, bass has missed three fgs in our close losses, defenders intercept any pass that is anywhere near them, fumbles seem to never bounce back to us.  Watching a non bills game is crazy defenders are dropping balls that hit them right in the bread basket 😂 injuries to pretty much every one of our key defensive players…its been a mess 

Comparing last week Dak and Josh's pick this game so frustrating. Josh throws a ball that's somewhat underthrown, the WR could still catch it but the DB could make a play on it but it's tough. So of course the DB makes an amazing play and picks it off. Flashback to last week and Dak is beating defenders with the ball and they're  not catching it.

[mrags]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Anyone saying the bills are lucky has not been paying attention lol. We might be the unluckiest team in the league…the giants gift didn’t really move the needle at all with how much bad luck we’ve had.   Kickers never miss against us, wrs come down with wildly improbable tds against us with absolute regularity, bass has missed three fgs in our close losses, defenders intercept any pass that is anywhere near them, fumbles seem to never bounce back to us.  Watching a non bills game is crazy defenders are dropping balls that hit them right in the bread basket 😂 injuries to pretty much every one of our key defensive players…its been a mess 

If we’re not Lucky. Or even Unlucky. Does that mean it’s bad coaching? Because you can’t not be lucky or unlucky and still have these many things go wrong. It’s got to be something. 

[newcam2012]

Thought this might be a good topic to discuss. I know other here are much more knowledge than I. I would very much appreciate input. 

 

Brady has been the OC for three games now. The first two games the offense looked much different. Cook running and passing catching, more motion, commitment to the run game, great play calls, and a more cohesive offense in rhythm. 

 

However, the Bills offense vs the Chargers looked much different. They struggled to move the ball. Failed run schemes and disguises, no passes to RBs, etc...Seems like most of the big chunk plays were improvised. 

 

I know every game is different. Just seems like the Bills offense struggled a lot more. The Chargers offense isn't elite and truthfully not very good. 

 

I am wondering what happened here? Bad game? Poor play calling? Execution errors? Is Brady's offense now more exposed due to game film? Sort of speak is the honeymoon period over? 

 

Just a bit concerned maybe paranoid. 

 

Thanks.

[GunnerBill]

He has been the OC for 5 games. 

[dma0034]

I mean a few things. Bills started off slow which is common in games that one team flies a distance. When the Bills started getting rolling they scored two TDs then Interception and then another TD. Punt, fumble and then the long drive to close the game.

 

This was more about the Chargers Offense controling ToP than it was the Bills Offense. The Bills scored on 4 out of 9 drives. Had 2 turnovers on 3 drives and had 1 punt after their first TD. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

This game was somewhat similar to the Broncos game. Offense was not great but the turnovers were killer and really not the OC’s fault. Luckily we were going up against a raw QB without his best WR’s so the outcome was different. 
 

Even the scores of the two games were identical. We just happened to be the ones with 24 this time instead of 22.

[reddogblitz]

15 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Or a Gabe Davis turn the right way in OT

 

Or James Cook catches a for sure TD pass that hit him in the hands.

[stosh64]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

He has been the OC for 5 games. 

Do you think Brady is McD's guy next year GB or is he going to look for a OC in the offseason?

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, stosh64 said:

Do you think Brady is McD's guy next year GB or is he going to look for a OC in the offseason?

 

The rules say they have to interview others so I think they will run a process. But Brady has to be the clubhouse leader.

[GETTOTHE50]

It’s been a weird year throughout the afc. It’s anyone’s conference really 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

18 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

There was A LOT of talk before this 4 game stretch that the Bills would be lucky to win 1, maybe 2 games. They ended up going 3-1 and are a Jake Elliott absolute bomb from 59 yards from going 4-0. Say what you will about them being LuCkY but have some appreciation for how the team played over the last 4. Bottom line, they handled their business-now keep it going through these final 2 games and into the playoffs 

Somehow I still think McDermott will blow it. But I’m ready to properly praise him after the Miami game. If they win the division oh get ready, I’m going to battle for coach.

[NeverOutNick]

18 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Or a Gabe Davis turn the right way in OT

Or a James cook catch, or bass FG, or a crappy ref not being on the field away

[PBF81]

5 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Thought this might be a good topic to discuss. I know other here are much more knowledge than I. I would very much appreciate input. 

 

Brady has been the OC for three games now. The first two games the offense looked much different. Cook running and passing catching, more motion, commitment to the run game, great play calls, and a more cohesive offense in rhythm. 

 

However, the Bills offense vs the Chargers looked much different. They struggled to move the ball. Failed run schemes and disguises, no passes to RBs, etc...Seems like most of the big chunk plays were improvised. 

 

I know every game is different. Just seems like the Bills offense struggled a lot more. The Chargers offense isn't elite and truthfully not very good. 

 

I am wondering what happened here? Bad game? Poor play calling? Execution errors? Is Brady's offense now more exposed due to game film? Sort of speak is the honeymoon period over? 

 

Just a bit concerned maybe paranoid. 

 

Thanks.

 

It is an interesting topic to discuss.  To start, any semblance of newness always takes a handful of games, which can vary in number, for a steady-state to emerge.  

 

At the end of the day however, the needle hasn't moved that much on game metrics.  Brady's been the OC for the past five games, started with the Jets game.  Since then we've averaged 27.8 PPG contrasted with the 26.2 PPG prior to that, for a marginal +1.6, an improvement but hardly earth-shattering, and still down from last season's 28.4 and with an easier schedule as well. 

Our 1st-Downs have also increased marginally from 22 to 23.2, a +1.2.  

Our total yards haven't increased at all for all intents and purposes, having bumped from 380 to 382.  

 

The biggest difference as you point out is our running game, with Cook obviously being our primary ball carrier.  His carries have increased from 12 to 17.6 per game on average.  His receptions have increased by 1 from an average 2.8 to 3.8.  So in that sense there's somewhat more balance to the offense run/pass.  

 

The Dallas game is what has skewed everything statistically for both him and the team.  In the other four games Cook has averaged a pedestrian 3.9 yards-per-carry.  In all four of those games he's got 244 rushing yards, in the Dallas game he had 179 on 7.2 YPC.  His YPC in the other four games were 4.3, 2.7, 5.8, and 3.5, with that 5.8 being his low carry (10) game in which he had 11, 12, and 15-yard runs.  

 

His receptions have increased from an average 2.4 to 3.1, but his receiving yards have increased to 42.2 from 22.2, nearly doubling.  Having said that, in our zero-sum-game of the same yards per game, Diggs' production has averaged a mere 4.6 receptions for an average of 40.4 yards, down from 7.3 catches for 86.8 YPG, fewer than half the yards.  On a season, under Brady so far, Diggs' 17-game average is 78 catches for 687 yards and 3 TDs.  

 

Having said that, our average number of pass attempts has dropped by 12 from 45.5 to 33.6, while our average number of carries has increased by 15 from 22.4 to 37.4. A good chunk of that is the skewed Dallas game where we ran 49 times and had only 16 pass plays.  Nonetheless.  

 

We'll be fully steady-state by the end of the season if we aren't already.  

 

The referendum on this season is going to come down to the playoffs, against what is generally considered to be the weakest field in the AFC at least since Allen emerged in 2020.  There's no dominant team and with Allen we arguably have the best offense in the AFC and more than a good enough defense to compliment it.  

 

 

[BearNorth]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The rules say they have to interview others so I think they will run a process. But Brady has to be the clubhouse leader.

I suspect Bieniemy will get an interview if he is interested.  He has a couple of rings, just saying.

[Ya Digg?]

28 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

It is an interesting topic to discuss.  To start, any semblance of newness always takes a handful of games, which can vary in number, for a steady-state to emerge.  

 

At the end of the day however, the needle hasn't moved that much on game metrics.  Brady's been the OC for the past five games, started with the Jets game.  Since then we've averaged 27.8 PPG contrasted with the 26.2 PPG prior to that, for a marginal +1.6, an improvement but hardly earth-shattering, and still down from last season's 28.4 and with an easier schedule as well. 

Our 1st-Downs have also increased marginally from 22 to 23.2, a +1.2.  

Our total yards haven't increased at all for all intents and purposes, having bumped from 380 to 382.  

 

The biggest difference as you point out is our running game, with Cook obviously being our primary ball carrier.  His carries have increased from 12 to 17.6 per game on average.  His receptions have increased by 1 from an average 2.8 to 3.8.  So in that sense there's somewhat more balance to the offense run/pass.  

 

The Dallas game is what has skewed everything statistically for both him and the team.  In the other four games Cook has averaged a pedestrian 3.9 yards-per-carry.  In all four of those games he's got 244 rushing yards, in the Dallas game he had 179 on 7.2 YPC.  His YPC in the other four games were 4.3, 2.7, 5.8, and 3.5, with that 5.8 being his low carry (10) game in which he had 11, 12, and 15-yard runs.  

 

His receptions have increased from an average 2.4 to 3.1, but his receiving yards have increased to 42.2 from 22.2, nearly doubling.  Having said that, in our zero-sum-game of the same yards per game, Diggs' production has averaged a mere 4.6 receptions for an average of 40.4 yards, down from 7.3 catches for 86.8 YPG, fewer than half the yards.  On a season, under Brady so far, Diggs' 17-game average is 78 catches for 687 yards and 3 TDs.  

 

Having said that, our average number of pass attempts has dropped by 12 from 45.5 to 33.6, while our average number of carries has increased by 15 from 22.4 to 37.4. A good chunk of that is the skewed Dallas game where we ran 49 times and had only 16 pass plays.  Nonetheless.  

 

We'll be fully steady-state by the end of the season if we aren't already.  

 

The referendum on this season is going to come down to the playoffs, against what is generally considered to be the weakest field in the AFC at least since Allen emerged in 2020.  There's no dominant team and with Allen we arguably have the best offense in the AFC and more than a good enough defense to compliment it.  

 

 

You think Brady has faced an easier set of games than what the Bills faced last year? Jets, Chiefs, and Cowboys all have good-great defenses, Eagles have a great run defense (they give up a lot of passing yards though) and yeah they should’ve done better against the chargers. That’s not an easy stretch to start as the OC.

 

Im also not sure about saying this AFC is the weakest it’s been in years. I was listening to a podcast the other day talking about this and they were talking about this. The perception is since it’s not Mahomes, Allen, or Burrow at the top it seems weaker but there are still very strong teams. I do agree with you though that I do like the Bills chances against any team in the AFC (or NFC for that matter).