Why is it so hard for fans to admit reality?

[Bad Things]

Always gotta find something to cry about.

 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I think the big difference with Brady is he was precision accurate, and his guys separate and ran at least 5 yards after the catch if not more.  Our guys mostly get tackled when they catch the ball.  This season has probably been Josh best season as far as his guys getting YAC and it still isnt all that good.

 

QBs have completely different traits.  What Brady had that made him special is not the same as what Josh has that makes him special.

I always appreciate our give and take.  You make a lot of excellent points 

[gobills1212]

13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Go back and watch last night’s game and tell me we couldn’t have played better.

Lol, sure. Any team can play better on any day. Its why perfection is rarely achieved.  Those that come close still have their games throughout the season where they have to win like last night. You obviously didnt pay attention all week to the circumstances surrounding the game, and even those aside- to a man, when you let up 62 pts, you sure are hell are going to make sure it doesn't happen 2 weeks in a row. This team had some rough breaks on some ticky tack penalties that orevented a potential rout, had 2 dumb luck fumbles lost loosing the turnover battle 0-3, and still scored enough to win. Furthermore, this is a game they would have dropped earlier in the year. This time, they were in charge and looked like they knew what they were doing the entire time.  Sometimes you are up against it. Maybe a better team would have made them pay for their bad breaks. Instead of bumbling they showed competency and resiliency.  Acting ignorant to all this is just silly. Again, makes it look like you should watch more football, pay better attention, and author better posts.

Edited December 24, 2023 by gobills1212

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I could care less what they do.  What about isms are meaningless.  How Josh plays has nothing to do with how other QBs play.

 

You mean like how he is the only player in NFL history with 4 consecutive 40+ TD seasons?

Edited December 24, 2023 by Big Turk

[Scott7975]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I always appreciate our give and take.  You make a lot of excellent points 

 

Sure man.  And I am not saying that Josh cant or shouldnt cut down on the INTs but he isn't going to be that guy that cuts it down that much.  Remember that quite a few of his ints this year are flukes too or ones that didnt even matter.  A batted ball at the line and our linemen just watched the defense catch it.  A ball right through Davis hands into the defenders, a hail mary at the end of the half.  I mean not all INTs are equal.  I cant really be mad at the Diggs int last night.  Thats the same throw he makes 99 out of 100 times for TD too.  He just didnt set his feet.  It was absolutely the right throw.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Josh Allen personally is responsible for more TDs this season than 25 NFL teams.  Leave him alone.

[Green Lightning]

6 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

 

You can say we are lucky and think that.  I don't really care.  Dont tell me what to think.

Lighten up Francis...

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, Green Lightning said:

Lighten up Francis...

 

Don't tell me what to do.

[MikePJ76]

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

The reality is we were lucky yesterday.  Josh was bad Josh until the last drive.  Cook had a pivotal fumble.  The defense let a guy with no experience in the league almost win the game for the Bolts.  The only guy that played really well was Oliver.  
 

Just admit they sucked yesterday and got lucky.  They won’t be that bad every game; I suspect they’ll squish the Fish like Josh always does.  But they sucked yesterday and have too many times this year against inferior competition and that’s why they’re in the position they’re in.

I don't mean to be mean but.

 

If you think the Bills were lucky...then you do not watch enough football...if you do watch a lot of football you are not understanding it enough.

 

Look around the league.  Pittsburgh killed the bengals, Atlanta beat the colts, The titans have played seattle down to the wire, The panthers are tied in the 4th with GB.  I suspect New England is going to play a really tough game against Denver tonight and same with the giants vs the eagles tomorrow.

 

The Bills defense had 6 sacks, all at critical times and forced the chargers to kick field goals.  Allen was 15/21 and accounted for 3 td's.  The running game did exactly what it had to do to allow that final drive to keep the clock moving and kick the field goal to take the lead.  

 

Were they lucky?  I dont know maybe...however it looked like most nfl games look in 2023.  There are no great teams in the league this year.  Its a week to week league and everything is about matchups and location.  

 

Almost everything you posted comes from your critical misunderstanding of the game and league you are watching.  

[Fixxxer]

The ball bounced to the other guys all night, I'd say we were unlucky

[Charles Romes]

The close win yesterday was much more valuable than a blowout win.  Building up positive experience in close games is critical going into the playoffs. 

[Shaw66]

7 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

The reality is we were lucky yesterday.  Josh was bad Josh until the last drive.  Cook had a pivotal fumble.  The defense let a guy with no experience in the league almost win the game for the Bolts.  The only guy that played really well was Oliver.  
 

Just admit they sucked yesterday and got lucky.  They won’t be that bad every game; I suspect they’ll squish the Fish like Josh always does.  But they sucked yesterday and have too many times this year against inferior competition and that’s why they’re in the position they’re in.

I gotta respond to this.  I haven't read the thread, except for a few of the early posts.   

 

It's not for me to say what OldMan meant when he said "lucky," but I've been trying to use the word "fortunate" instead.  The win wasn't lucky, but the Bills were fortunate to win.  It wasn't a lucky bounce, or a bad call against the Chargers.   But it WAS a game the Bills good have lost.  They were fortunate. 

 

I wouldn't say the Bills "sucked," but they certainly didn't play well.  

 

And it certainly is true that the Bills have lost too many times to inferior competition.  The Bills have too many games when they should be cruising through the 4th quarter and aren't.  

 

On the other hand, the mark of a good team is that it finds a way to win when they don't have their A game.  That's what we saw yesterday.

[K-9]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I gotta respond to this.  I haven't read the thread, except for a few of the early posts.   

 

It's not for me to say what OldMan meant when he said "lucky," but I've been trying to use the word "fortunate" instead.  The win wasn't lucky, but the Bills were fortunate to win.  It wasn't a lucky bounce, or a bad call against the Chargers.   But it WAS a game the Bills good have lost.  They were fortunate. 

 

I wouldn't say the Bills "sucked," but they certainly didn't play well.  

 

And it certainly is true that the Bills have lost too many times to inferior competition.  The Bills have too many games when they should be cruising through the 4th quarter and aren't.  

 

On the other hand, the mark of a good team is that it finds a way to win when they don't have their A game.  That's what we saw yesterday.

I’d appreciate a critical analysis of the difference between lucky and fortunate. 
 

Since every team in every game every week stands some chance to lose, then I guess all the winning teams are “fortunate” every single week. 

Edited December 25, 2023 by K-9

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I’d appreciate a critical analysis between lucky and fortunate. 
 

Since every team in every game every week stands some chance to lose, then I guess all the winning teams are “fortunate” every single week. 

Or an answer as to how losing 2/2 fumbles and 1/1 interceptable passed is lucky

[cgg716]

8 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

The reality is we were lucky yesterday.  Josh was bad Josh until the last drive.  Cook had a pivotal fumble.  The defense let a guy with no experience in the league almost win the game for the Bolts.  The only guy that played really well was Oliver.  
 

Just admit they sucked yesterday and got lucky.  They won’t be that bad every game; I suspect they’ll squish the Fish like Josh always does.  But they sucked yesterday and have too many times this year against inferior competition and that’s why they’re in the position they’re in.

It's not that we don't know we got some luck, it's that some fail to realize every team gets lucky. Some seem to think only the Bills do. And this is coming from a guy who's been wildly critical of Mcd all year. Every team deals with lucky and unlucky, still wishing for better preparation personally so luck has not as large a role 

[Jay_Fixit]

8 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

The reality is we were lucky yesterday.  Josh was bad Josh until the last drive.  Cook had a pivotal fumble.  The defense let a guy with no experience in the league almost win the game for the Bolts.  The only guy that played really well was Oliver.  
 

Just admit they sucked yesterday and got lucky.  They won’t be that bad every game; I suspect they’ll squish the Fish like Josh always does.  But they sucked yesterday and have too many times this year against inferior competition and that’s why they’re in the position they’re in.

Who the ***** is this guy?

[klos63]

4 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

I was there too. It is a gorgeous stadium. I think we can agree that the Chargers' fan base was pathetic, though. Pretty embarrassing when the opposing team (from 2,500 miles away) has a louder fan base than the home team.

 

I also didn't much care for the way the Chargers' production team directs the game day experience. They try to go for this young, nightclub vibe, with Esther Anaya as their deejay, and all the very loud house music. Very different, I thought, from the Rams games at SoFi.

To be fair,  Esther plays a mean electric violin,  along with being very hot. 

Most of the Bills fans I knew there traveled considerably less than 2500 miles. I drove 400, most were within 100 miles living in SoCal.

Imagine when the Bills were bad,  how many fans would drive to Toronto,  if the team had moved there,  after just giving up 63 points,  2 days before Christmas?

I do hate that vibe though,  it's worse at basketball games.

 

[LarryMadman]

9 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

The reality is we were lucky yesterday.  Josh was bad Josh until the last drive.  Cook had a pivotal fumble.  The defense let a guy with no experience in the league almost win the game for the Bolts.  The only guy that played really well was Oliver.  
 

Just admit they sucked yesterday and got lucky.  They won’t be that bad every game; I suspect they’ll squish the Fish like Josh always does.  But they sucked yesterday and have too many times this year against inferior competition and that’s why they’re in the position they’re in.

Lol, Josh was fine yesterday. Because he wasn't perfect, you have a problem with his play, gimme a break!

[Maynard]

The reality is, this was the ultimate trap game and we luckily prevailed. 

[Boatdrinks]

The Bills have lost games when Allen played great. Sometimes it really IS better to be lucky than good !