Why is it so hard for fans to admit reality?

[billsfan89]

I don’t know why it’s hard for the doom and gloomers to admit that the Chargers game was not the cakewalk some expected for legitimate reasons involving the Chargers and not necessarily that the Bills played completely down to their competition?

 

1- The Chargers changed their coach, after an in season coaching change teams always get a bounce off of that.

 

2- The Chargers were embarrassed completely on national TV the previous week. Adding more motivation to come out and play hard.

 

3- The Chargers had a “mini bye” having 3 extra days off.

 

4- The Chargers were home and the Bills had to fly across country on a one day shorter game week. 
 

All 4 factors made this game a lot harder than many were expecting. And despite the -3 turnover ratio the Bills came up with a win and did so without putting too much pressure on the defense in the last drive (handed the ball over to the Chargers up 2 no timeouts and just 28 seconds left).

 

An Away game against an NFL team is never “easy” and yes had the Bills not turned the ball over 3 times they probably would have won by 2 scores at least. But fumbles are a bit of luck and the Bills didn’t get the bounces on that. It happens the Bills won and they did so by no means of luck or being bailed out by the refs.

[May Day 10]

It wasn't "lucky" at all.  They had to overcome a lot of bad fortune, calls were not in their favor, and a few major mistakes.  

 

All week I knew they were in danger of losing this game.  With the chargers' embarrassment and coaching change, also a mini bye for them.  Bills a short week with the cross country trip.  Had the makings of an ambush.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I’ll explain again.  It’s OK to be happy about the win, but to also acknowledge the team did not play well.  It’s OK to acknowledge all Bills fans love having Josh as our Qb but acknowledge his throwing picks so much is a bad thing.  And so on.  These are not mutually exclusive.  And that is reality.

 
We won, that’s great.  But we cannot expect to play like that again.  We were fortunate to win; the next effort like that and the season is done.

 

 

Well, then thanks for your laser sharp insight, captain obvious.  🙄 

[Danger Mouse]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

The reality is we were lucky yesterday.  Josh was bad Josh until the last drive.  Cook had a pivotal fumble.  The defense let a guy with no experience in the league almost win the game for the Bolts.  The only guy that played really well was Oliver.  
 

Just admit they sucked yesterday and got lucky.  They won’t be that bad every game; I suspect they’ll squish the Fish like Josh always does.  But they sucked yesterday and have too many times this year against inferior competition and that’s why they’re in the position they’re in.

Congrats on the emoji grand slam there. Top work. 

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

I don’t know why it’s hard for the doom and gloomers to admit that the Chargers game was not the cakewalk some expected for legitimate reasons involving the Chargers and not necessarily that the Bills played completely down to their competition?

 

1- The Chargers changed their coach, after an in season coaching change teams always get a bounce off of that.

 

2- The Chargers were embarrassed completely on national TV the previous week. Adding more motivation to come out and play hard.

 

3- The Chargers had a “mini bye” having 3 extra days off.

 

4- The Chargers were home and the Bills had to fly across country on a one day shorter game week. 
 

All 4 factors made this game a lot harder than many were expecting. And despite the -3 turnover ratio the Bills came up with a win and did so without putting too much pressure on the defense in the last drive (handed the ball over to the Chargers up 2 no timeouts and just 28 seconds left).

 

An Away game against an NFL team is never “easy” and yes had the Bills not turned the ball over 3 times they probably would have won by 2 scores at least. But fumbles are a bit of luck and the Bills didn’t get the bounces on that. It happens the Bills won and they did so by no means of luck or being bailed out by the refs.

Very good

 

The reality is there were a lot of reasons to think this game would be closer than spread suggested 

[Ya Digg?]

22 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

What does another QBs performance have to do with Allen’s?

Because you can’t sit here and criticize Josh’s play without comparing it to his contemporaries. As I have mentioned already to you but you still ignore is that every team lacks consistency. How is Josh playing compared to other QBs? How “lucky” have other teams been this year? Without those comparisons your argument lacks context 

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Very good

 

The reality is there were a lot of reasons to think this game would be closer than spread suggested 

I said so in the pregame thread that I felt nervous about the game for those reasons. When the Bills were down 10-0 I felt like my suspicion was proving to be true. Of course back up 14-10 at the half I figured a “pull away” would occur but the Chargers hung tough and the Bills got the last drive they needed in the near exact amount of time they needed it to take up. This isn’t college football they just count the wins in the NFL.

[kkim0904]

We were so lucky yesterday to pulled out the W. This may be the my biggest Christmas Gift this year.  Good thing is, far as i remember, we never won a game when we have turnover ratio of -3.  Chargers scored 13 points off turnover.  We are resilient and did not panic when Cook fumbled the ball in 4Q with 7 minutes left.  Beside Oliver and Davis, Fournette looked good and our defense played pretty well.   Hope we learned our lesson from this game and finish the season strong.  Go BILLS.

Edited December 24, 2023 by kkim0904

[zevo]

5 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

The reality is we were lucky yesterday.  Josh was bad Josh until the last drive.  Cook had a pivotal fumble.  The defense let a guy with no experience in the league almost win the game for the Bolts.  The only guy that played really well was Oliver.  
 

Just admit they sucked yesterday and got lucky.  They won’t be that bad every game; I suspect they’ll squish the Fish like Josh always does.  But they sucked yesterday and have too many times this year against inferior competition and that’s why they’re in the position they’re in.

Whats the point of even turning on the tv to watch?

[BufBills83]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

So you’re telling me not to think what I think, but complain that I’m telling you what to think?  Right.

 

If anything, they were unlucky, not lucky.

[oldmanfan]

8 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Because you can’t sit here and criticize Josh’s play without comparing it to his contemporaries. As I have mentioned already to you but you still ignore is that every team lacks consistency. How is Josh playing compared to other QBs? How “lucky” have other teams been this year? Without those comparisons your argument lacks context 

Of course I can.  What an absurd statement to make.  Josh’s play is on Josh as is Mahomes’ on him annd so on. To suggest otherwise is similar to being the kid who gets caught stealing a cookie out of the cookie jar and saying:  Well Johnnie did it too.  
 

I think Josh is the most physically gifted QB in the league, one if the top 3 in the league.  But a legitimate criticism is he throws too many picks.  Why is that so difficult to accept?  

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

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[oldmanfan]

20 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Well, then thanks for your laser sharp insight, captain obvious.  🙄 

Well that’s reality.  If it’s so obvious why do so many have a problem with it?

6 minutes ago, zevo said:

Whats the point of even turning on the tv to watch?

Because I love the Bills and have for 63 years.

[BufBills83]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Of course I can.  What an absurd statement to make.  Josh’s play is on Josh as is Mahomes’ on him annd so on. To suggest otherwise is similar to being the kid who gets caught stealing a cookie out of the cookie jar and saying:  Well Johnnie did it too.  
 

I think Josh is the most physically gifted QB in the league, one if the top 3 in the league.  But a legitimate criticism is he throws too many picks.  Why is that so difficult to accept?  

 

 

 

I think the criticizing Josh for his interceptions is fine as long as it is put in context with the rest of his play.  The media was really raking Josh over the coals this year about his interceptions but they would only focus on the raw number, not in context of why they occurred, or how many TDs he had, etc.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, BufBills83 said:

 

I think the criticizing Josh for his interceptions is fine as long as it is put in context with the rest of his play.  The media was really raking Josh over the coals this year about his interceptions but they would only focus on the raw number, not in context of why they occurred, or how many TDs he had, etc.

Fair point.  

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Of course I can.  What an absurd statement to make.  Josh’s play is on Josh as is Mahomes’ on him annd so on. To suggest otherwise is similar to being the kid who gets caught stealing a cookie out of the cookie jar and saying:  Well Johnnie did it too.  
 

I think Josh is the most physically gifted QB in the league, one if the top 3 in the league.  But a legitimate criticism is he throws too many picks.  Why is that so difficult to accept?  

 

 

So how many INTs is an acceptable number for Allen?

[major]

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[BananaB]

5 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

The reality is we were lucky yesterday.  Josh was bad Josh until the last drive.  Cook had a pivotal fumble.  The defense let a guy with no experience in the league almost win the game for the Bolts.  The only guy that played really well was Oliver.  
 

Just admit they sucked yesterday and got lucky.  They won’t be that bad every game; I suspect they’ll squish the Fish like Josh always does.  But they sucked yesterday and have too many times this year against inferior competition and that’s why they’re in the position they’re in.

Why do some fans think every game should be a cake walk? It’s part of football. They ***** themselves in the foot a few times and still came out with a win. Earlier in the year they lose that game. 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

So how many INTs is an acceptable number for Allen?

Ideally?  Zero.  Reality?  I would say less than 8 on the year.  He should at most throw one every other game.

[Ya Digg?]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Of course I can.  What an absurd statement to make.  Josh’s play is on Josh as is Mahomes’ on him annd so on. To suggest otherwise is similar to being the kid who gets caught stealing a cookie out of the cookie jar and saying:  Well Johnnie did it too.  
 

I think Josh is the most physically gifted QB in the league, one if the top 3 in the league.  But a legitimate criticism is he throws too many picks.  Why is that so difficult to accept?  

 

 

It’s not absurd at all! You keep saying they got lucky-so answer for me, so other teams get “lucky” or is it just the Bills? Or does it not matter because what one team does has no effect on another team-or whatever nonsensical argument you’re trying to make? 
 

What many have said and what I will say AGAIN (please finally read and understand this) claiming the Bills only won that game because of luck is disingenuous. They could have played better, sure, but the bottom line is they won the game. It wasn’t a lucky win, it was an ugly win-big difference that you’re not getting