Bills fan allegedly assaulted by Cowboys fans, family looking for answers

[Bill from NYC]

On 12/23/2023 at 11:55 AM, muppy said:

there is something seriously wrong with someone being attacked for being a fan of a football team.

 

I hope there is some way to find out who did this and prosecute them. 

 

This Could have been any one of us

I am going to respectfully disagree. It could NOT have happened to me. You know why?

 

In a perfect world, a fan can put on a jersey, go to the stadium of an opposing team, and be treated with courtesy and respect. Sometimes this may happen too but many times alcohol takes over and opposing fans are beat up, have objects thrown at them, and or are soaked by liquids (usually beer) spilled on them. Please do not look at this post as an attempt at telling people what to do or not do. If it means that much to a fan fly our colors at an opposing stadium you should go for it. After all, you paid for your ticket. 

 

Most of you are probably too young to remember the "Pumpkin Game" (Bills /Jets) at the Meadowlands. I was there in "plain clothes" lol. I saw fans spit on, beaten, and bloodied. I saw women harassed and even groped. There were virtually no women in the stadium after halftime. Someone started a fire on an end zone seat and the extinguisher security had didn't work, so a drunken fan went over and urinated on it. Then, the famous (at the time) "Morganna" took off her clothes and streaked the field. At one point the players stopped playing and were watching the fights in the stands. It was insane. The stadium was SO empty at halftime that we had seats on the 50 yard line in the first row.  The "Pumpkin Game" is actually on Wikipedia. 

 

Once at a Bills game I was hit with various objects which were being hurled at an obnoxious Redskin Fan sitting near us (in a Skins jersey of course). I asked him to stop acting out and he gave me the old "I bought my ticket and have my rights," etc. When I told the Bills Fans that I was being hit, they kindly stopped throwing things at this drunken idiot. 

 

Again, fans should dress as they please at opposing stadiums, and should be able to do so risk free. That said, I'll pass. Jmo.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Bill from NYC

[muppy]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

I am going to respectfully disagree. It could NOT have happened to me. You know why?

 

In a perfect world, a fan can put on a jersey, go to the stadium of an opposing team, and be treated with courtesy and respect. Sometime this may happen too but many times alcohol takes over and opposing fans are beat up, have objects thrown at them, and or are soaked by liquids (usually beer) spilled on them. Please do not look at this post as an attempt at telling people what to do or not do. If it means that much to a fan fly our colors at an opposing stadium you should go for it. After all, you paid for your ticket. 

 

Most of you are probably too young to remember the "Pumpkin Game" (Bills /Jets) at the Meadowlands. I was there in "plain clothes" lol. I saw fans spit on, beaten, and bloodied. I saw women harassed and even groped. There were virtually no women in the stadium after halftime. Someone started a fire on an end zone seat and the extinguisher security had didn't work, so a drunken fan went over and urinated on it. Then, the famous (at the time) "Morganna" took off her clothes and streaked the field. At one point the players stopped playing and were watching the fights in the stands. It was insane. The stadium was SO empty at halftime that we had seats on the 50 yard line in the first row.  The "Pumpkin Game" is actually on Wikipedia. 

 

Once at a Bills game I was hit with various objects which were being hurled at an obnoxious Redskin Fan sitting near us (in a Skins jersey of course). I asked him to stop acting out and he gave me the old "I bought my ticket and have my rights," etc. When I told the Bills Fans that I was being hit, they kindly stopped throwing things at this drunken idiot. 

 

Again, fans should dress as they please at opposing stadiums, and should be able to do so risk free. That said, I'll pass. Jmo.

I think that there are clearly a holes at every NFL stadium. And it is often alcohol induced. In my tenure as a Bills fan I have been to 3 opposing teams cribs. Im my #12 jersey, hubby #78. We had issues in two of them. 

 

I don 't play that. Security was summoned and both times the perps were ejected. Inside the stadium that is the way it should be too.  Not often enough though does it happen. And some games like you described there just isn't enough security period. 

 

After  a hard fought win the prudent smart thing to do is keep the celebrations more down low and get the heck out of there , We don't know what provoked this dallas fan. Whatever it was is still a poor excuse don't get me wrong.

 

In my case Bill I'm not going to let some ahole steal my joy and bills pride. If it were consistently so horrible as to be an abusive not fun away game fan situation I would just not attend.  

 

Peace hermano GO BILLS

Edited December 26, 2023 by muppy

[Gregg]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I am going to respectfully disagree. It could NOT have happened to me. You know why?

 

In a perfect world, a fan can put on a jersey, go to the stadium of an opposing team, and be treated with courtesy and respect. Sometime this may happen too but many times alcohol takes over and opposing fans are beat up, have objects thrown at them, and or are soaked by liquids (usually beer) spilled on them. Please do not look at this post as an attempt at telling people what to do or not do. If it means that much to a fan fly our colors at an opposing stadium you should go for it. After all, you paid for your ticket. 

 

Most of you are probably too young to remember the "Pumpkin Game" (Bills /Jets) at the Meadowlands. I was there in "plain clothes" lol. I saw fans spit on, beaten, and bloodied. I saw women harassed and even groped. There were virtually no women in the stadium after halftime. Someone started a fire on an end zone seat and the extinguisher security had didn't work, so a drunken fan went over and urinated on it. Then, the famous (at the time) "Morganna" took off her clothes and streaked the field. At one point the players stopped playing and were watching the fights in the stands. It was insane. The stadium was SO empty at halftime that we had seats on the 50 yard line in the first row.  The "Pumpkin Game" is actually on Wikipedia. 

 

Once at a Bills game I was hit with various objects which were being hurled at an obnoxious Redskin Fan sitting near us (in a Skins jersey of course). I asked him to stop acting out and he gave me the old "I bought my ticket and have my rights," etc. When I told the Bills Fans that I was being hit, they kindly stopped throwing things at this drunken idiot. 

 

Again, fans should dress as they please at opposing stadiums, and should be able to do so risk free. That said, I'll pass. Jmo.

 

I was also at the Pumpkin Game. Crazy times. Probably the wildest crowd I ever saw at a game. Anyway, here are the numbers. All of these years later beer sales still stop at halftime.

 

Oct. 17, 1988 ­— Bills 37, Jets 14 The “Pumpkin Game” featured 41 incidents of improper behavior in the stands, 15 arrests and 56 ejections. Fans burned complimentary paper hats in the stands and batted around an inflated pumpkin. This game led to the stadium halting beer sales after halftime during night games.

 

 

 

 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

    

Once at a Bills game I was hit with various objects which were being hurled at an obnoxious Redskin Fan sitting near us (in a Skins jersey of course). I asked him to stop acting out and he gave me the old "I bought my ticket and have my rights," etc. When I told the Bills Fans that I was being hit, they kindly stopped throwing things at this drunken idiot. 

 

Again, fans should dress as they please at opposing stadiums, and should be able to do so risk free. That said, I'll pass. Jmo.

I was at a game in OP sitting next to a young Jets fan who was by himself. With each beer he got a little bolder, and a little louder. He was harmless enough, but eventually became so obnoxious I had to warn him with “look, we’ve gotten along just fine, but as soon as they hit me with beer or anything else they might throw, my patience for YOU will be gone. I suggest you get your act together. You don’t want ME siding with them.”  He seemed surprised at first, but to his credit he behaved the rest of the game. I honestly don’t think he understood how that could have ended, sadly. At the very least we were about to have some ejections. 

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 

I was also at the Pumpkin Game. Crazy times. Probably the wildest crowd I ever saw at a game. Anyway, here are the numbers. All of these years later beer sales still stop at halftime.

 

Oct. 17, 1988 ­— Bills 37, Jets 14 The “Pumpkin Game” featured 41 incidents of improper behavior in the stands, 15 arrests and 56 ejections. Fans burned complimentary paper hats in the stands and batted around an inflated pumpkin. This game led to the stadium halting beer sales after halftime during night games.

 

 

 

 

The huge inflated pumpkin was being batted around the stadium as you can surely recall. Security got it and the fans were freaaking out to the point that they tossed it back in the stands. When the pumpkin lost air people were taking wild punches at it. I saw one fan miss and his punch landed on another fan and knocked him on his ass.

One young pretty girl was walking up the steps toward the bathrooms/concessions. Drunks were shouting obsceeties at her to the point where she burst out in tears. 

It was a Monday Night Game and it was unseasonably warm. People had been drinking since noon. I have seen 1000x my share of violence in my life and i'm saying that that stadium was very dangerous that night.

1 hour ago, Augie said:

I was at a game in OP sitting next to a young Jets fan who was by himself. With each beer he got a little bolder, and a little louder. He was harmless enough, but eventually became so obnoxious I had to warn him with “look, we’ve gotten along just fine, but as soon as they hit me with beer or anything else they might throw, my patience for YOU will be gone. I suggest you get your act together. You don’t want ME siding with them.”  He seemed surprised at first, but to his credit he behaved the rest of the game. I honestly don’t think he understood how that could have ended, sadly. At the very least we were about to have some ejections. 

I agree. Some fans are drunk to the point of being delusional. The person that you described was sitting there with 70,000 opposing fans, most of them frustrated by decades of inept management. If he kept it up he could have been in danger.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Bill from NYC

[Bill from NYC]

2 hours ago, muppy said:

I think that there are clearly a holes at every NFL stadium. And it is often alcohol induced. In my tenure as a Bills fan I have been to 3 opposing teams cribs. Im my #12 jersey, hubby #78. We had issues in two of them. 

 

I don 't play that. Security was summoned and both times the perps were ejected. Inside the stadium that is the way it should be too.  Not often enough though does it happen. And some games like you described there just isn't enough security period. 

 

After  a hard fought win the prudent smart thing to do is keep the celebrations more down low and get the heck out of there , We don't know what provoked this dallas fan. Whatever it was is still a poor excuse don't get me wrong.

 

In my case Bill I'm not going to let some ahole steal my joy and bills pride. If it were consistently so horrible as to be an abusive not fun away game fan situation I would just not attend.  

 

Peace hermano GO BILLS

Like I said, you should do as you choose. Two out of three seems like bad odds to me but whatever. My thing is that you never know.

I went to the Alabama/Arkansas game this year at Bryant Denny Stadium. There was a group of Arkansas fans sitting near me. I expected them to get their asses kicked but they were left alone for the entire game. That said, I'm honestly not sure how this would have went down if they would have been wearing shirts of certain other teams.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Bill from NYC

[muppy]

10 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Like I said, you should do as you choose. Two out of three seems like bad odds to me but whatever. My thing is that you never know.

I went to the Alabama/Arkansas game this year at Bryant Denny Stadium. There was a group of Arkansas fans sitting near me. I expected them to get their asses kicked but they were left alone for the entire game. That said, I'm honestly not sure how this would have went down if they would have been weaaring shirts of certain other teams.

yeah I should have said it was twice in 2 different away venues that's true. But those 2 venues totaled 6 or so games total over the years. Regardless your point stands. Not to quibble the anecdotal just to clarify 🙂

[That's No Moon]

On 12/23/2023 at 3:49 PM, boater said:

Chalk this up to one that won't be solved.

 

The perps probably live in TX Canada and cross-jursidictional crimes have a low arrest rate.

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