Jack Smith: Lawyer Up

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Smith isn't going to jail. 

 

Hopefully the House GOP calls on him to testify and Dems get to allow him to lay out his cases, in public, against the President. 

I sincerely hope for the sake of his family, he doesn’t.  If he crossed his i’s and dotted his t’s, followed the rules everything will be fine.  Reasonable people can disagree, as Chi and I have been discussing. 
 

Personally, I think he’s done a very good job of laying out the case he wanted to bring, though the judge has had to make some course corrections along the way.  I also think he did a masterful job in leaking the information he wanted release (perhaps without context) in an effort to shape public opinion, though it seemed to have been in a way he did not foresee,  with unintended consequences.  That’s yet another course correction, I think.
 

I think what we’ll find is some things were done within the letter of the law, some things were done outside the law (purposefully or otherwise), and that as whole, he was ineffective in his role based on outcome.  The cost to the taxpayer is likely quite high for those who care about such things. 
 

As for testimony before Congress, the challenge there is testimony is one-sided, without the benefit of the defense responding to accusations, allegations or interpretations.  But as I said before, let’s get to transparency and dialogue however it shakes out. 
 

 

 

[Tiberius]

37 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I sincerely hope for the sake of his family, he doesn’t.  If he crossed his i’s and dotted his t’s, followed the rules everything will be fine.  Reasonable people can disagree, as Chi and I have been discussing. 
 

Personally, I think he’s done a very good job of laying out the case he wanted to bring, though the judge has had to make some course corrections along the way.  I also think he did a masterful job in leaking the information he wanted release (perhaps without context) in an effort to shape public opinion, though it seemed to have been in a way he did not foresee,  with unintended consequences.  That’s yet another course correction, I think.
 

I think what we’ll find is some things were done within the letter of the law, some things were done outside the law (purposefully or otherwise), and that as whole, he was ineffective in his role based on outcome.  The cost to the taxpayer is likely quite high for those who care about such things. 
 

As for testimony before Congress, the challenge there is testimony is one-sided, without the benefit of the defense responding to accusations, allegations or interpretations.  But as I said before, let’s get to transparency and dialogue however it shakes out. 
 

 

 

What was done outside the law by Smith? 

 

 

You don't think Trump violated any laws, correct? 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

31 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

What was done outside the law by Smith? 

 

 

You don't think Trump violated any laws, correct? 

I literally just said I hope Smith doesn’t go to jail, and shared ny thoughts on why transparency is so important as we try to heal.   I have no idea if he did anything wrong, though I would think the devil will be in the details.  Oh, check that—I do think it was wrong to bring the charges and all that followed, but i do not think that’s illegal.  
 

I think Trump may have broken laws on maintaining classified documents but believe the argument that he can declassify at will seems reasonable as well.  I think Biden broke the law, and in doing so as a senator, it was far more egregious than what Trump did. 

End of the day, it sounds to me like the government had a program of organizational anarchy when it comes to classified material, and only seemed to be concerned when a certain admin saw an opportunity for political gain.  I believe I’m in the majority here. 

 

[BillsFanNC]

The King:  Jack Smith has Trump dead to rights!

 

Also the King: There's no basis for investigating and prosecuting Jack Smith.

 

The King's legal takes will continue to bat 0.000

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

7 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Wait…be these closing walls or doors and windows opening wide? 
 

If you see the Kempster will you ask him?  I asked a question the other day but haven’t heard back.  

[Biden is Mentally Fit]

Poor Tibs! Poor Starr! Poor Redhawk! Hang in there and sending all my best guys! 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

8 minutes ago, Biden is Mentally Fit said:

Poor Tibs! Poor Starr! Poor Redhawk! Hang in there and sending all my best guys! 

Is roundy chopped liver to you? You must really be a nazi.

[Biden is Mentally Fit]

1 minute ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Is roundy chopped liver to you? You must really be a nazi.

I didn’t want to pile on the li’l fella. He went in rather enthusiastically on TIM WALZ of all people. I imagine embarrassment of that magnitude takes a while to bounce back from. 

[Biden is Mentally Fit]

[4th&long]

Elections are fair game now. If either side doesn’t try to do what trump did they are stupid. Just tear apart the country and cry like a baby that you won the election

 

 classified docs? We knew stealing those doesn’t matter, plenty of politicians have stole those and more double agents have sold them to the highest bidder.

[njbuff]

43 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

Elections are fair game now. If either side doesn’t try to do what trump did they are stupid. Just tear apart the country and cry like a baby that you won the election

 

 classified docs? We knew stealing those doesn’t matter, plenty of politicians have stole those and more double agents have sold them to the highest bidder.

You must have sand coming out of your ears with your head being buried in it for so long, finally coming up for air.

[ChiGoose]

Weird how so many people somehow believe Trump was being unfairly prosecuted when the justice system continually bent over backwards to avoid holding him accountable for things that would have put any one of us behind bars. 

[Biden is Mentally Fit]

9 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Weird how so many people somehow believe Trump was being unfairly prosecuted when the justice system continually bent over backwards to avoid holding him accountable for things that would have put any one of us behind bars. 

Run-on sentence. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

7 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Weird how so many people somehow believe Trump was being unfairly prosecuted when the justice system continually bent over backwards to avoid holding him accountable for things that would have put any one of us behind bars. 

I think reasonable people understand that politicians are rarely held accountable for things that would have put any one of us behind bars.  Recognizing that, the bs meter starts going off when the party in power launches multiple attacks on multiple fronts.  The Dems oversold just about everything this election cycle:

 

• Biden’s cognitive fitness;
• Biden’s ability to debate;
• Biden’s ability to pass the blame for his economy;
• Harris’ likability;
• Harris’ electability;
• Legal action against Trump; 
• The believability of novel concepts of slippage and special rules for electeds;
• Reliance on voting blocs they’ve long taken for granted;

[B-Man]

54 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Weird how so many people somehow believe Trump was being unfairly prosecuted when the justice system continually bent over backwards to avoid holding him accountable for things that would have put any one of us behind bars. 

 

 

 

That simply isn't true.

 

But the fact that you interpret the lawfare use this way certainly is not a surprise to anyone here.

[ChiGoose]

51 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

That simply isn't true.

 

But the fact that you interpret the lawfare use this way certainly is not a surprise to anyone here.

Any one of us who had done what Trump had done would already be in jail. 
 

But please, continue with your fantasies. Fantasies won over reality, so you might as well. 

[BillsFanNC]

The King continues to live under a green sky.

 

The justice system bent over backwards to help Trump!

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Any one of us who had done what Trump had done would already be in jail. 
 

But please, continue with your fantasies. Fantasies won over reality, so you might as well. 

Chi, you all were fighting to get in line to vote for a guy who disintegrated during a nationally televised debate, stalwart in your belief that a guy clearly in rapid decline was the one true one.   That was reality, and it was only one of several absurd positions adopted by your party and why things went the way they did. 
 

In the spirit of healing, though, I offer:

 

Dear Mister Fantasy, play us a tune
Something to make us all happy
Do anything, take us out of this gloom
Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy
You are the one who can make us all laugh
But doing that, you break out in tears
Please don't be sad if it was a straight mind you had
We wouldn't have known you all these years

[All_Pro_Bills]

I conclude that Smith never really had any intention of bringing Trump to trial on any document handling charges. It was all about creating "optics" for the 2024 Presidential race. If Trump wasn't running for office this would have played out quietly. It was all about politics. The idea was to discredit the former President in the eyes of potential 2024 voters. The made-for-TV drama that was the FBI raid would not have been necessary. Leaking stories and information to create the perception of guilt along the way. Now that he won the election and there are no political points to score its all moot. Smith smartly chose to close out the case. Personally and professionally there's just no upside at this point.

 

If anyone still wants to continue believing it was about the rule of law and the interests of national security pursuant to the handling of confidential and secret information then have at it. That's moot too. Lots of other political figures have gotten away with improper handling of secret and confidential documents, including former Senator Biden, and a consequence of Smith's investigation may be tougher scrutiny and treatment of others in the future. Be careful what you wish for might apply here.

 

 

Edited November 26 by All_Pro_Bills