Eisen "Don't let the Bills in the playoffs"

[Sherlock Holmes]

9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Just to chime in on your guys conversation... 

 

You call welker and Edelman goat slot receivers... Yet completely ignore Andre Reed who created basically the modern slot position and has 5,000 more yards than those guys lol

 

If there's a goat slot receiver it's Andre Reed

This is true lol

[Scott7975]

13 hours ago, letsgoteam said:

This is also setting the table

[BADOLBILZ]

12 hours ago, NewEra said:

Because I know the bills tight ends are good.  Knox isn’t great but he’s a proven playmaker.  He’s a TE getting paid more than Juju.  Kincaid is good.  Not very good yet, but I think that’s more based on his usage.  They aren’t allowing him to run downfield as often as he should be.  Your old cane QB KD had visions of Larry centers when scheme for Kincaid.  1 yard routes. That’s not on Kincaid.  
 

Brady didn’t use his TE very much at LSU or Carolina.  hopefully he can figure out how to get those 2 involved. Brady has unlocked James Cook though. He’s been excellent. He’s a top 5 RB this year.  Some would say top 2-3.  He’s a weapon.  
 

regarding your last sentence- agree to disagree.  I think we have 2 special playmakers in Diggs and cook. I think Kincaid just needs to be unlocked and we have 3.  I think knox and gabe are above average #4,5 options.  All behind a now very solid OL.  I think the playmakers still have 3+ games to change the narrative that they aren’t on par.  

 

 

Again, with regard to Cook being the Bills top or second option........I don't believe the quality of a RB makes a difference in reaching or winning a SB.   SF got great RB production from everybody they have used under Shanahan.   They can reach the SB if McCaffrey goes down.  No problem.   They can't if Deebo goes down and probably won't if Aiyuk goes down.  

 

You are wrong about the Bills TE's being good.   Knox has been terrible in the passing game this season.  By every metric.  We can cite the injury for his drop-off but it's about what he and Kincaid are now...........not what they could be.  And at his best all Knox was still not close to top tier TE who you'd want as a top 2 option.   What he's getting paid has nothing to do with it.........that contract looks long-term bad right now.  

 

With his lost season combined with Kincaid's toothless production the Bills have NOT had a good TE game.........let alone a TE who has been an elite second option.

 

And yeah Knox makes an occasional highlight play but so does Gabe and so do Justin Watson and MVS for the Chiefs.........the problem is they aren't good enough second options.    You saw how impactful Gabe and Knox were when they needed them to step up in the Cinci playoff game last year.   They aren't NEARLY good enough to consistently step up against the style of defense opponents are playing good passing games with right now.    

 

2023 has been the year of the playmaker.    If a non-QB is going to win MVP ever again,  it's this season.   Teams with multiple stud receiving targets(of the non-RB variety) are making teams like SF and Philly SB favorites and keeping flawed teams like Cinci, Miami, Seattle, Houston and Jacksonville in contention.   Teams like Dallas and Baltimore don't have stud WR2's but they have a better top 3 of pass catchers.......though losing Andrews means Baltimore really needs the #1 seed, IMO.  

 

The Bills and Chiefs are fighting against that current this season.

 

 

Edited December 23, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Again, with regard to Cook being the Bills top or second option........I don't believe the quality of a RB makes a difference in reaching or winning a SB.   SF got great RB production from everybody they have used under Shanahan.   They can reach the SB if McCaffrey goes down.  No problem.   They can't if Deebo goes down and probably won't if Aiyuk goes down.  

 

You are wrong about the Bills TE's being good.   Knox has been terrible in the passing game this season.  By every metric.  We can cite the injury for his drop-off but it's about what he and Kincaid are now...........not what they could be.  And at his best all Knox was still not close to top tier TE who you'd want as a top 2 option.   What he's getting paid has nothing to do with it.........that contract looks long-term bad right now.  

 

With his lost season combined with Kincaid's toothless production the Bills have NOT had a good TE game.........let alone a TE who has been an elite second option.

 

And yeah Knox makes an occasional highlight play but so does Gabe and so do Justin Watson and MVS for the Chiefs.........the problem is they aren't good enough second options.    You saw how impactful Gabe and Knox were when they needed them to step up in the Cinci playoff game last year.   They aren't NEARLY good enough to consistently step up against the style of defense opponents are playing good passing games with right now.    

 

2023 has been the year of the playmaker.    If a non-QB is going to win MVP ever again,  it's this season.   Teams with multiple stud receiving targets(of the non-RB variety) are making teams like SF and Philly SB favorites and keeping flawed teams like Cinci, Miami, Seattle, Houston and Jacksonville in contention.   Teams like Dallas and Baltimore don't have stud WR2's but they have a better top 3 of pass catchers.......though losing Andrews means Baltimore really needs the #1 seed, IMO.  

 

The Bills and Chiefs are fighting against that current this season.

 

 

Why is it the year of the playmaker?  Because there aren’t any QBs having stand out years.  Possibly because of the lack of playmakers (as well as injuries)

 

I just don’t see how you can say that our playmakers aren’t up to par with the chiefs of last year, the rams the previous season, the eagles of a few seasons ago and the pats of any season.  The TB team had better playmakers for sure….the first chiefs title, for sure had better.  
 

That’s the only statement I have a problem with.  If they aren’t “equal too” or “as good as” those previous champions, they certainly aren’t far behind.  Definitely not far behind enough to be the reason we can win a SB

[BADOLBILZ]

19 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Why is it the year of the playmaker?  Because there aren’t any QBs having stand out years.  Possibly because of the lack of playmakers (as well as injuries)

 

I just don’t see how you can say that our playmakers aren’t up to par with the chiefs of last year, the rams the previous season, the eagles of a few seasons ago and the pats of any season.  The TB team had better playmakers for sure….the first chiefs title, for sure had better.  
 

That’s the only statement I have a problem with.  If they aren’t “equal too” or “as good as” those previous champions, they certainly aren’t far behind.  Definitely not far behind enough to be the reason we can win a SB

 

 

Defense's have effectively separated the wheat from the chaff in the passing game this season.    Phony WR2's like Gabe have gotten exposed.   There has never been more WR talent in the NFL than there is now........but you have to be REALLY good to make plays when defense's are basically running the equivalent of hockey's neutral zone trap.  

 

The only reason you can't see that our playmakers aren't as good as KC last season is because you refuse to face the fact that Juju was excellent last year.   24th in receiving yards and 77% catch rate.    A stud season from a guy who also once put up a 1400 yard season.    The Bills don't have anywhere near that kind of player as a second option.    The Chiefs also had dynamic impact from their RB's receiving........ 10 receiving TD's from McKinnon and Pacheco last season.......Cook has 4 with 3 games left.   But LOS aligned receivers are more important to the equation.   And fwiw, both Chiefs SB wins were capped off by plays by their WR2.......Sammy Watkins and Juju(who is open to extend and end the game if Bradberry doesn't grab him).          

Edited December 23, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Defense's have effectively separated the wheat from the chaff in the passing game this season.    Phony WR2's like Gabe have gotten exposed.   There has never been more WR talent in the NFL than there is now........but you have to be REALLY good to make plays when defense's are basically running the equivalent of hockey's neutral zone trap.  

 

The only reason you can't see that our playmakers aren't as good as KC last season is because you refuse to face the fact that Juju was excellent last year.   24th in receiving yards and 77% catch rate.    A stud season from a guy who also once put up a 1400 yard season.    The Bills don't have anywhere near that kind of player as a second option.    The Chiefs also had dynamic impact from their RB's receiving........ 10 receiving TD's from McKinnon and Pacheco last season.......Cook has 4 with 3 games left.   But LOS aligned receivers are more important to the equation.   And fwiw, both Chiefs SB wins were capped off by plays by their WR2.......Sammy Watkins and Juju(who is open to extend and end the game if Bradberry doesn't grab him).          

Comparing RB TDs to those of the bills is like comparing apples to oranges. Josh Allen leads the NFL in TD runs since joining the nfl iirc.  Not just because we don’t have good goalline backs……but because Josh Allen and he’s unstoppable.  Our RB Tds (and playmaker tds in general) will always be less than due to having the best red zone threat QB in nfl history.  
 

juju was fine with Mahomes….as is Rashee Rice.  They swapped one for one….. yet somehow their playmakers are the problem now this year?  Rice has a 81% catch rate this year.  He has 7 tds.  Juju had 3.  Juju had 58 yards per game while rice has 53.  Not much difference……

 

like I said- IF the chiefs and other SB champs do have better playmakers than we do, it’s not by that much.  Not enough to say that’s why we couldn’t win a SB

[SoonerBillsFan]

10 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

This is true lol

Jerry Rice in 1992 I think,said Andre was the best over the middle guy in the NFL

 

[Rat-boy]

9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Defense's have effectively separated the wheat from the chaff in the passing game this season.    Phony WR2's like Gabe have gotten exposed.   There has never been more WR talent in the NFL than there is now........but you have to be REALLY good to make plays when defense's are basically running the equivalent of hockey's neutral zone trap.  

 

The only reason you can't see that our playmakers aren't as good as KC last season is because you refuse to face the fact that Juju was excellent last year.   24th in receiving yards and 77% catch rate.    A stud season from a guy who also once put up a 1400 yard season.    The Bills don't have anywhere near that kind of player as a second option.    The Chiefs also had dynamic impact from their RB's receiving........ 10 receiving TD's from McKinnon and Pacheco last season.......Cook has 4 with 3 games left.   But LOS aligned receivers are more important to the equation.   And fwiw, both Chiefs SB wins were capped off by plays by their WR2.......Sammy Watkins and Juju(who is open to extend and end the game if Bradberry doesn't grab him).          

Grind axes much?

 

[BADOLBILZ]

33 minutes ago, Rat-boy said:

Grind axes much?

 

 

 

About what?

 

They just played one of the very worst defense's in the NFL and struggled mightily to get 24 points and you immediately post a complaint about criticism of the Bills playmakers?