Bills and Cheat Motion

[Dan]

I thought the OLine was all supposed to be within a yard of the LOS.. but it seems everyone just has one lineman slightly behind the next, by the time you get to the tackle, he’s usually 2 yards off the ball.  Look at the infamous KC offensive Offside play, for ex.    Am I seeing this all wrong?

[Old Coot]

18 hours ago, Irv said:

Watching tonight’s TNF game.  Seems like Rams running cheat/forward motion on half their passing plays

They are running a CFL-type offense.

[That's No Moon]

30 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

Thanks, Mr. Official.... i know the rules VERY well, I know the calls very well, I know the game very well. You're not some savant because you know what illegal motion is. This is a discussion forum and I'm also trying to figure out why it's not called, hence, maybe McVay found that "rounding" a motion won't get called (which is why i put loop hole in quotes). This is not manipulation of games.. this isn't a conspiracy theory. Get off your high horse. 

 

Then you explain why the referees, all of them, stopped making an obvious call all at once.

22 minutes ago, Dan said:

I thought the OLine was all supposed to be within a yard of the LOS.. but it seems everyone just has one lineman slightly behind the next, by the time you get to the tackle, he’s usually 2 yards off the ball.  Look at the infamous KC offensive Offside play, for ex.    Am I seeing this all wrong?

Nope. You're seeing it correctly.

[boyst]

6 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Is that what Torrence's arm swipe before the ball is snapped is?

Yes.

4 hours ago, Bferra13 said:

And tackles now false start every play getting a head start. Not typically called either. I remember Jacksonville doing it to us a few years ago, now everyone (including Bills) do it.

I'm waiting for the league to develop a system where the center snaps the ball at the first flinch movement of the fellow OL

[Ralonzo]

5 hours ago, Bferra13 said:

And tackles now false start every play getting a head start. Not typically called either. I remember Jacksonville doing it to us a few years ago, now everyone (including Bills) do it.

 

That was Jawaan Taylor back when nobody was really scrutinizing him because he was in friggin Jacksonville. Now in KC (#74) and in the national spotlight after his week 1 debacle and committing illegal formation and/or false start nearly every snap and hardly getting called for it because it's KC. Same guy.

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

Yes.

I'm waiting for the league to develop a system where the center snaps the ball at the first flinch movement of the fellow OL

So if somebody jumps Offside when he does it they get called theoretically and not Torrence? I keep thinking, man he's gonna get called...

[boyst]

14 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

So if somebody jumps Offside when he does it they get called theoretically and not Torrence? I keep thinking, man he's gonna get called...

Apparently. It goes against all original football principles. I played different positions on the line much of my growing up years (too heavy to be a ball carrier).

 

If we even turned our head to look at the ball once our hand touched the ground we were flagged. If we flinched at all from the point we went down and the QB either touched the center or put his hands up to catch the shotgun snap... False start.

 

I don't like the way it is trending. Especially because DL are timing off the signal, and exterior lineman who can't fully see or hear go on the signal, not the snap.

[1ManRaid]

12 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Noticed this a ton this year.  They are into their kick before the ball is snapped and it's hardly ever called.

 

They are abusing a misinterpretation of the "repositioning" loophole.  Supposedly, as long as the snap gets off before that rear foot lands down, you can't prove they weren't legally repositioning.  Which is ridiculous because anyone with working eyes can tell that they aren't repositioning when they do that but they get the egregious benefit of the doubt.

[Neo]

13 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

It's not a loop hole. You can't be moving towards the LOS at the snap. It's been that way since there has been football in this country. It's illegal motion. If you do move towards the line you have to stop and become set before the snap.

 

What it is, is the league manipulating outcomes in games. Clearly the refs have been told to ignore this, and they are. They will until there is an uproar about it when someone goes full CFL motion in a playoff game and it goes uncalled. At that point they will make some sort of BS statement about how it's been a rule all along, then the following week they'll call the hell out of it to prove their point.

I am glad we found a way to introduce “the league manipulating” into this thread.   The first dozen or so posts failed to address this.   Phewww … I was afraid we were going to have a straightforward tactic vs. rule conversation.

 

I’ll be back later.   I have to remove the fillings from my teeth that the CIA is using to track my whereabouts.

[That's No Moon]

5 hours ago, Neo said:

I am glad we found a way to introduce “the league manipulating” into this thread.   The first dozen or so posts failed to address this.   Phewww … I was afraid we were going to have a straightforward tactic vs. rule conversation.

 

I’ll be back later.   I have to remove the fillings from my teeth that the CIA is using to track my whereabouts.

I await your explanation for this phenomenon.