Bills at Chargers, Game Week Thread Sat. 8 pm on Peacock (7 pm for us Flyover Folks)

[eball]

45 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

I hope you're right, but I have a bad feeling they'll crush the Cowboys.  I agree they are a fraud in the sense that they are good or even very good...but not as good as their record suggests.  That said, I just feel like the Cowboys weaknesses are run defense and an inability to adjust when schemed against.  Dolphins have a really good run offense and a coach known for his schemes.  Seems like a bad matchup for the Cowboys.

 

Dallas has beaten teams with good rushing offenses (i.e., Philly).  In this game, I think their own offense will be able to easily put up points and their pass rush and pass D will force some Tuanovers.

 

 

Edited December 22, 2023 by eball

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, eball said:

 

Dallas has beaten teams with good rushing offenses (i.e., Philly).  In this game, I think their own offense will be able to easily put up points and their pass rush and pass D will force some Tuanovers.

 

 

Issue for Dallas is they could be without Tyron smith and/or Zack Martin.

 

Sounds like Martin is trending towards playing, but smith not

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Miami

 

Good enough to make the playoffs? Yes. Looking at the QB starter injury crazy in the AFC and the talent they have, yes, they deserve to be in the playoffs.

 

Are they battle tested? Laughably no. They do not have wins on any team with a winning record. They drew the team with the worst record in football from the NFC. They lost to the worst team in the AFC South. The strongest team they beat was the currently 0.500 Broncos during an early season skid.

 

The next three games are three of the best 5 teams they play all year (Chief, Eagles, Cowboys, Ravens, Bills x2).

 

Now, Dallas is #5 on that list and are also frauds, so who knows. Baltimore I expect a spanking

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

53 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

I hope you're right, but I have a bad feeling they'll crush the Cowboys.  I agree they are a fraud in the sense that they are good or even very good...but not as good as their record suggests.  That said, I just feel like the Cowboys weaknesses are run defense and an inability to adjust when schemed against.  Dolphins have a really good run offense and a coach known for his schemes.  Seems like a bad matchup for the Cowboys.

Dallas can probably play dime against Miami and stop the run…their corners can probably hold up in single coverage against tyreek or waddle too if they want to single cover one of them.  Miamis offensive line is worse than ours at full strength and wayyyy worse than ours with all those injuries.  They also really dont have to worry about spying tua 

 

it’s almost better we ran all over Dallas last week because I doubt they’ll be caught off guard if Miami attempts the same 

Edited December 22, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

53 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

I hope you're right, but I have a bad feeling they'll crush the Cowboys.  I agree they are a fraud in the sense that they are good or even very good...but not as good as their record suggests.  That said, I just feel like the Cowboys weaknesses are run defense and an inability to adjust when schemed against.  Dolphins have a really good run offense and a coach known for his schemes.  Seems like a bad matchup for the Cowboys.

 

I will say that while Miami does have a run game, it's success is based on fundamentally different principles than what the Bills exploiting. 
 

The Cowboys are built light, and designed to fight a shootout where they can use Parsons to rush the passer. To counter this, the Bills were rolling out Jumbo formations: 6 OL, 1 TE, 1 FB, 1 RB and running it down their throats and they just don't have the bodies to counter in their base and their adjustments didn't work.

 

Miami's run success comes when you use the threat of Hill and Waddle to spread a defense thin, make them account for the pass game and then pound them. The Cowboys (in theory) are better built to win that kind of fight.

[AKC]

2 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

It's good for us, but not necessarily bad for him.  Dude was a backup so most of his reps were probably taken with the lower chart receivers.  He probably has better chemistry with them.

 

 

There is no universe in which the Chargers replacing Keenan Allen with anyone else on their roster is a plus for them.

Edited December 22, 2023 by AKC

[MikePJ76]

13 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Dallas has beaten teams with good rushing offenses (i.e., Philly).  In this game, I think their own offense will be able to easily put up points and their pass rush and pass D will force some Tuanovers.

 

 

I thought all along Dallas will beat miami and though they would do it by ten points or more.

 

But this morning it is sounding like Zach Martin and Tyron Smith might both miss the game.  That is not good for Dallas because their qb shrinks with the best of them when things are not perfect for him.

 

the other side of that is that it will essentially be a home game for Dallas, the dolphins offensive line is also banged up and Dallas just got embarrassed and losing again on the road could crush them mentally.

 

Hopefully Dallas finds a way to win something like 28-24.  

[Beck Water]

32 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

I hope you're right, but I have a bad feeling they'll crush the Cowboys.  I agree they are a fraud in the sense that they are good or even very good...but not as good as their record suggests.  That said, I just feel like the Cowboys weaknesses are run defense and an inability to adjust when schemed against.  Dolphins have a really good run offense and a coach known for his schemes.  Seems like a bad matchup for the Cowboys.

 

So to this point: Miami has a coach who is a disciple of Kyle Shanahan.  The Cowboys haven't beaten the 49ers since 2020, and this season the 9'ers kicked Dallas in the teeth and took their lunch money.  Coaching advantage: Miami, we agree there.  And, Dallas may still be missing its NT on D and 2 OL on offense.
 

Would you really call Miami's run offense "really good"?  They had a 5 game stretch earlier in the season where they were just running all over teams - the Patriots, Broncos, Giants, and Panthers.  222 yds, 350 yds - but I think that was against teams that had given up.  They gained 142 yds against us and it didn't matter.

 

But they've also had games where they haven't broken double digits -Eagles, 2nd Patriots, Raiders, 2nd Jets.  117 vs KC.  A lot of that seems to depend on whether or not they are missing Achane?  He played against Denver, Buffalo, and the Giants - the huge games.  Got hurt.  He's been back for 3 games, but he doesn't look as explosive.  He's been on the injury report with different body parts - knee, ribs, now toe.  DNP and LP so far this week.

 

Mostert has also been on and off this injury report.  This week is "on", with two DNPs.

 

So I'm not sure the Dolphins have a really good run offense right now.   They ran for 77 yds against the Jets, and if the Jets had an actual offense, they could have been in trouble.  I would say they have an up-and-down run offense that depends on the health of their backs.

 

I could see this game going either way.  Dallas could "Cowboy up" and set out to prove that last week was a total fluke.  They're a coin-flip road team, but Miami, 77 degrees, and possible light shower is a far cry from Orchard Park, 40 degrees, and raining steadily.  Or Mike McDaniel could prove he's Shanahan's disciple and successfully kick (fin-slap?) the Cowboys while they're down.  Frankly, I'm not sure he has the healthy horses to do that last, but, we'll see.
 

[PaattMaann]

20 hours ago, Dan said:

You are wrong.  You can’t just ignore all his good play and conclude that what’s left is useless.  
 

This is a different team.  I would be shocked if they come out flat.  At some point we have to leave the past failures of this franchise ..in the past. 

 

"all his good play" ??? WTF are you talking about? What good play has he had this season? He played well against the Cowboys...is that the ALL his good play you are referring to? He has been literal butt cheeks all season up until that game. A damn liability in every aspect. Having 10 men on the field would be better than him the majority of snaps. I am just thankful we don't have to see him for suit up again for the Bills. 

[MikePJ76]

4 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

I will say that while Miami does have a run game, it's success is based on fundamentally different principles than what the Bills exploiting. 
 

The Cowboys are built light, and designed to fight a shootout where they can use Parsons to rush the passer. To counter this, the Bills were rolling out Jumbo formations: 6 OL, 1 TE, 1 FB, 1 RB and running it down their throats and they just don't have the bodies to counter in their base and their adjustments didn't work.

 

Miami's run success comes when you use the threat of Hill and Waddle to spread a defense thin, make them account for the pass game and then pound them. The Cowboys (in theory) are better built to win that kind of fight.

Not exactly

 

Dallas lives in Dime defense mostly because they always have the lead and play downhill on defense.  With Jonathan hankins hurt they lack the big bodies to play a base defense that is heavier.  They tried slanting their line in the second half last week and then they put 8 guys in the box.  None of it worked.  

 

Mike Mcdaniel runs the same running game that the niners do.  The niners made Dallas look worse than Buffalo did.  On paper miami's speed is something that Dallas should be able to handle but they will have to prove they can.  

 

Buffalo playing the old school heavy jumbo last week is not something Miami will do but they will still present their problems.  The rams run the similar scheme to SF and Miami and they were running the ball pretty well on Dallas until stafford got hurt and the game got out of hand.  

 

I still think miami will run the ball decent on Dallas but with an injured line I am not sure it will matter if they can not protect Tua.

[Beck Water]

7 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

I will say that while Miami does have a run game, it's success is based on fundamentally different principles than what the Bills exploiting. 
 

The Cowboys are built light, and designed to fight a shootout where they can use Parsons to rush the passer. To counter this, the Bills were rolling out Jumbo formations: 6 OL, 1 TE, 1 FB, 1 RB and running it down their throats and they just don't have the bodies to counter in their base and their adjustments didn't work.

 

Miami's run success comes when you use the threat of Hill and Waddle to spread a defense thin, make them account for the pass game and then pound them. The Cowboys (in theory) are better built to win that kind of fight.

 

Good points.  The added point, is "speed".  They've got 2 top-10 backs in YPG, but that's not the meat-and-potatoes 3-4 ypc.  It's "miss me and it's shoe soles for you!" long runs.  If these guys are still hindered by injuries, that's not as effective.

 

But, Dallas is missing their NT

[Scott7975]

25 minutes ago, AKC said:

There is no universe in which the Chargers replacing Keenan Allen with anyone else on their roster is a plus for them.

 

I just mean that the QB will have better chemistry with receivers that he has been throwing to all year.  Obviously its not a plus for them as far as winning the game or anything.

[finn]

2 hours ago, jletha said:

12-2, pretty good!

 

And to further clarify, what I really mean is December into January (regular season): from 2020-2022 we closed on a 4 game win streak each year. And are 2-0 thus far.

Nick Wright dismissed the Bills fast start this year, saying they were a "September team." 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

43 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Not exactly

 

Dallas lives in Dime defense mostly because they always have the lead and play downhill on defense.  With Jonathan hankins hurt they lack the big bodies to play a base defense that is heavier.  They tried slanting their line in the second half last week and then they put 8 guys in the box.  None of it worked.  

 

Mike Mcdaniel runs the same running game that the niners do.  The niners made Dallas look worse than Buffalo did.  On paper miami's speed is something that Dallas should be able to handle but they will have to prove they can.  

 

Buffalo playing the old school heavy jumbo last week is not something Miami will do but they will still present their problems.  The rams run the similar scheme to SF and Miami and they were running the ball pretty well on Dallas until stafford got hurt and the game got out of hand.  

 

I still think miami will run the ball decent on Dallas but with an injured line I am not sure it will matter if they can not protect Tua.

All good points but I’m gonna nitpick the sf made the cowboys look worse than we did point 😂. I think we woulda rushed for 400 yards in that game if we didn’t shut it down for the whole 4th quarter. I’d say it was pretty much equal as far as our offenses vs the cowboys defense goes. 

6 minutes ago, finn said:

Nick Wright dismissed the Bills fast start this year, saying they were a "September team." 

He also said the chiefs would go undefeated and they lost their first game haha 

Edited December 22, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[AKC]

23 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I just mean that the QB will have better chemistry with receivers that he has been throwing to all year.  Obviously its not a plus for them as far as winning the game or anything.

I always think of Allen as one of the hugely underrated players in the league. You're right Stick will know his B team guys well, I would just imagine having one of the surest handed guys in the game out there for my first start would be attractive if I were in his cleats?

[CNYfan]

The Bills/Chargers Thread is mostly Dallas/Miami?   

I hope our BB are staying focused on the Chargers competition.  

[Beck Water]

16 minutes ago, finn said:

Nick Wright Wrong dismissed the Bills fast start this year, saying they were a "September team." 

 

FIFY

12 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

He also said the chiefs would go undefeated and they lost their first game haha 

 

See above

[PaattMaann]

11 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

The Bills/Chargers Thread is mostly Dallas/Miami?   

I hope our BB are staying focused on the Chargers competition.  

 

we are fans, not players. I assure you that our BB are focused on the chargers lol 

[finn]

1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Now, Dallas is #5 on that list and are also frauds, so who knows. Baltimore I expect a spanking

Is Baltimore for real? I haven't seen them play. Are they getting all the respect I'm seeing mostly because of their record or because they're as good as their record? 

[Beck Water]

6 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

The Bills/Chargers Thread is mostly Dallas/Miami?   

I hope our BB are staying focused on the Chargers competition.  

 

"Mostly" for values of 1 page (a dozen posts or so) out of 12+, including this?

If you want more Bills/Chargers content, why don't you add some instead of adding to the Dallas/Miami discussion?