Maine-iac Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 38 minutes ago, Haze_21 said: White Matt Jones who liked white powdery substances. 6'6 height 242 lbs 4.37 40 40" vert That reminded me of Terrelle Pryor. I think they both played QB at one time and ended up at WR. 6'4" 230 lbs 4.4 40 Quote
MJS Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 46 minutes ago, 0017 said: Has anyone mentioned DK Metcalf 6’4 236 lbs and ran a 4.33!!! his career is still just getting started but he’s a beast and has great hands. He is in the opening post. 2 Quote
BBFL Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 16 hours ago, Mango said: Randy Moss is the most talented WR to ever play the position. End thread. Agreed. Megatron comes close second to me. 1 Quote
BigAl2526 Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 The upcoming draft is very intriguing at WR. There is a higher than average number of receivers who possess size and a fair to elite amount of speed: Marvin Harrison Jr. - 6'4" 4.39 Rome Odunze - 6'3" 4.37 Xavier Legette - 6'3" 4.29 Johnny Wilson - 6'7" 4.42 Adonai Mitchell - 6'4" 4.50 Keon Coleman - 6'4" 4.46 All numbers are estimates at this point from www.nfldraftbuzz.com Most of these guys, if not all of them, will go in the first round of the draft. There are a couple more receivers who combine elite speed with average height that could go in the first round. Quote
MiracleAtRich1393 Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/hakeem-butler I desperately wanted DK Metcalf and when Beane traded up I thought he went and got him. Alas, it was Cody Ford instead. Thought Hakeem Butler (6'5" 227 4.48) would have been a good consolation prize on day 3. Yikes! Quote
mrags Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Maine-iac said: Brandon Marshall 6'5" 232 ran a 4.53 Ed McCaffrey 6'5" 215 ....... trying to find his 40 time. They didn’t have 40 times when Ed McC played. Lol Quote
Chicken Boo Posted December 20, 2023 Posted December 20, 2023 Chris Conley? 6'3" 205lbs 4.35 40 45" vertical His athleticism was/is off the charts. Never clicked on the field. Quote
The Jokeman Posted December 20, 2023 Posted December 20, 2023 18 hours ago, Mango said: Randy Moss is the most talented WR to ever play the position. End thread. Exactly he supposedly ran a 4.25 https://www.the33rdteam.com/remembering-vikings-drafting-randy-moss-25-years-later/#:~:text=Randy Moss at Marshall.,record among NFL draft prospects. 1 Quote
BBFL Posted December 20, 2023 Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, BigAl2526 said: The upcoming draft is very intriguing at WR. There is a higher than average number of receivers who possess size and a fair to elite amount of speed: Marvin Harrison Jr. - 6'4" 4.39 Rome Odunze - 6'3" 4.37 Xavier Legette - 6'3" 4.29 Johnny Wilson - 6'7" 4.42 Adonai Mitchell - 6'4" 4.50 Keon Coleman - 6'4" 4.46 All numbers are estimates at this point from www.nfldraftbuzz.com Most of these guys, if not all of them, will go in the first round of the draft. There are a couple more receivers who combine elite speed with average height that could go in the first round. I think you’re right about them all likely to go in the first round. Harrison and Odunze, at least to me, are off the cards and will be drafted in the top 15 barring an absolute bomb at the combine. Legette or Coleman wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize out of those 6 guys. Quote
Maine-iac Posted December 20, 2023 Posted December 20, 2023 Forgot our own James Hardy ..... 6'5" 220lbs ran a 4.49 40. Never realized the rest of his story. Another troubled receiver along with Jones and Pryor. Quote
Professor Worthington Posted December 20, 2023 Posted December 20, 2023 Renaldo Nehemia is only 6 ft 1 but ran the 40 in 4.1 secs. I think the fastest man to ever play football. As a track athlete ran the 100m in 10.24 secs. Quote
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 20, 2023 Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 12:38 AM, Araiza Curse said: Harold Carmichael was 6’8” but he ran a 4.6 , however he had great hands and could separate. Plaxico Burress was 6’5” and ran a 4.59. Calvin Johnson was 6’5” and ran a 4.35 . Randy Moss was 6’4” and ran a 4.3ish DK Metcalf was 6’4” and ran a 4.33 I can’t think of any other tall AND fast WRs . Can you help me list all 6’4” or taller WRs that also ran at least a 4.4 or faster. As of now, this metric appears perfect in determining success. If you are 6’4”+ and run fast, just draft them with confidence. After you help me list all the NFL players, can you help find me some of the tallest and fastest people that don’t play football. Usain Bolt is 6’5” and can run a 4.22 (Super Bowl, retired and in street clothes) . Imagine if he could have trained to be a football player. I wonder if it’s possible to be much taller than 6’5” and being able to run a 4.4 or faster. THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE INPUT! Calvin Johnson was 6’5” and ran a 4.35 (Elite) Randy Moss was 6’4” and ran a 4.3ish (Elite) DK Metcalf was 6’4” and ran a 4.33 (Elite) Christian Watson was 6’4” and ran a 4.36 (Good) Marquez Valdez-Scantling was 6’4” and ran a 4.37 (Meh) Stephen Hill was 6’5” and ran a 4.39 (Bad) Keyshawn Johnson was 6’4” and ran a 4.41 (Elite) Miles Boykin was 6’4” and ran a 4.42 (Bad) Chase Claypool was 6’4” and ran a 4.42 (Meh) Nico Collins was 6’4” and ran a 4.45 (Good?) Jalen Hurd was 6’5” and ran a 4.47 (Bad) AT Perry was 6’5” and ran a 4.47 (Bad-Meh?) Equanimeous St. Brown was 6’5” and ran a 4.48 (Meh) James Harty was 6’6” and ran a 4.49 (Bad) Dorian Green Beckham was 6’5” and ran a 4.49 (Bad) Limas Sweed was 6’4” and ran a 4.5 (Bad) AJ Green was 6’4” and ran a 4.5 (Elite) Michael Pittman Jr was 6’4” and ran a 4.52 (Good) Quentin Johnston was 6’4” and ran a 4.52 (Meh?) Mike Evans was 6’5” and ran a 4.53 (Elite) Mike Strachan was 6’5” and ran a 4.53 (Bad) Courtland Sutton was 6’4” and ran a 4.54 (Good) Allen Lazard was 6’4” and ran a 4.55 (meh) Mack Hollins was 6’4” and ran a 4.55 (Bad-Meh) Justin Shorter was 6’4” and ran a 4.55 (Bad-Meh?) Donald Hayes was 6’4” and ran a 4.57 (Bad) Drake London was 6’4” and ran a 4.58 (Good?) Tee Higgins was 6’4” and ran a 4.59 (Good) Plaxico Burress was 6’5” and ran a 4.59 (Good) Harold Carmichael was 6’8” and ran a 4.6 (Good) Sean Dawkins was 6’4” and ran a 4.61 (Good) Kelvin Benjamin was 6’5” and ran a 4.61 (Bad-Meh) Justyn Ross was 6’4” and ran a 4.64 (Bad?) Irvin Charles was 6’4” and ran a 4.66 (Bad?) Ed McCaffrey was 6’5” and ran a 4.69 (Good) Lil Jordan Humphrey was 6’4” and ran a 4.75 (Bad) Jake Bobo was 6’4” and ran a 4.99 (Bad) It appears that the 4.4 is a good approx line so far. 2 meh/bad 4 good/elite I would never consider putting Keyshawn Johnson in the same Category as Moss or Calvin Johnson. Those two guys were almost always the best player on the field. Also if we are calling 4.5 fast, seems like 6’3” can be tall. TO agrees Quote
Rigotz Posted December 20, 2023 Posted December 20, 2023 The problem with Tall + Fast guys is they're often "high hipped" so it's harder for them to run precise routes. That's why so many of them fail. With long legs, it's hard to get twitchy action at the hips. If you remember the knock on DK Metcalf and reason for him dropping to late in the 2nd round, it was a concern that his limited route tree would make his routes predictable. A lot of people want to take a victory lap on predicting DK's success, but it was an incredibly rare accomplishment that he learned how to be more of a precise route runner after college. A player close to home who plays with "high hips" is Gabe Davis. He wins downfield and on simple patterns, but has trouble separating in short areas because it's hard for him to turn rapidly and run crisp routes. He's only 6'2'' but it's the major issue with a lot of these guys. The opposite of that spectrum is Stef Diggs. The difference becomes very clear when you look at Gabe winning routes vs Diggs winning routes. I prefer route winners over "Big and Fast" guys, but it's nice to have both. The unicorns are the ones who can somehow bend like a 5'10'' WR at 6'4''. In short, the best predictor of success is definitely not "who is the biggest and fastest." 1 Quote
Milanos Milano Posted December 21, 2023 Author Posted December 21, 2023 On 12/20/2023 at 6:58 AM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I would never consider putting Keyshawn Johnson in the same Category as Moss or Calvin Johnson. Those two guys were almost always the best player on the field. Also if we are calling 4.5 fast, seems like 6’3” can be tall. TO agrees I was just posting all 6’4” + players and their respective 40times. Keyshawn had 4 1,000 seasons and 2 900 seasons. That’s why I included him, not necessarily because I thought he was as good as Megatron. Quote
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