Allen Flopping

[davefan66]

Not a fan of flopping.  But a lot of the greats did it for years.

[Heavy Kevi]

No different from an OL jumping because the defender is on the neutral zone.

 

Do everything to win within the rulebook. 

 

Call it embarrassing if you'd like, but this is Josh getting us a free 15 yards a decent amount of the time.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

But when Mahomes does it, or Brady did it for years they were "smart" 

[H2o]

17 minutes ago, Kingston Bills Fan said:

I gotta say I hate it. I love Josh he’s an amazing QB that does not need to do this, it’s embarrassing. I was talking to my buddy who is an Eagles fan about this about 4 or 5 weeks ago. 
I hate it in hockey and in soccer, it’s the most embarrassing thing a great player can do. Once again Josh is GREAT, he’s gotta stop flopping when he’s hit, it’s a terrible look. 

Specially when he’s out there trucking guys and stiff arming when he’s running. He can’t fall like he was shot and flail on the ground looking for a call when he’s touched in the backfield.

 

Who cares? If the idiots want to keep hitting him when they could easily just avoid it, then flop away 17. Flop away. 

[Matt_In_NH]

3 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

Not a fan of flopping.  But a lot of the greats did it for years.

And it has always sucked. 

[RkFast]

10 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Allen also has a tendency to start a fight and then hide behind his linemen. 

 

he wasn't always this way

 

 

 

Thats a complete falsehood. He's jumped into more than one scrum.

 

On the "flopping", I couldnt not care less what it looks like. Michael Jordan was notorious for playing the refs. Brady was. Lebron is. Before his recent crying sessions, did anyone give Mahomes hell for looking for a flag every single time he threw an incomplete pass? No. Josh would be a fool not to take what the refs are willing to give him.

 

You know when what Allen does becomes "bad?" When it stops working.  Unil then, he can be more dramatic than Liz Taylor as far as Im concerned. 

Edited December 18, 2023 by RkFast

[MJS]

It's smart and every QB does it. It is part of being competitive and doing everything you possibly can to help the team.

 

In soccer it is bad because of how they fake injury and act like they are dying.

[QLBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Allen also has a tendency to start a fight and then hide behind his linemen. 

 

he wasn't always this way

 

 

I’ve not seen much of that at all. He flopped but the guy hit him late and deserved the penalty. 

[Eastport bills]

5 minutes ago, Kingston Bills Fan said:

I gotta say I hate it. I love Josh he’s an amazing QB that does not need to do this, it’s embarrassing. I was talking to my buddy who is an Eagles fan about this about 4 or 5 weeks ago. 
I hate it in hockey and in soccer, it’s the most embarrassing thing a great player can do. Once again Josh is GREAT, he’s gotta stop flopping when he’s hit, it’s a terrible look. 

Specially when he’s out there trucking guys and stiff arming when he’s running. He can’t fall like he was shot and flail on the ground looking for a call when he’s touched in the backfield.

Your embarrassment and revulsion at him flopping is silly. He absorbs high speed collisions without a penalty all game and sometimes gets ripped around by his horsecollar and gets called for intentional grounding which could have been the difference in the Philly game. Do you think these players care about style points?People that are offended by his flop which turned the game around with the roughing the kicker penalty that featured a flop also, must consider these defensive players should not have made it close enough to get it called. Would you have preferred he stoically stood erect and sacrificed the call? The game yesterday was the Bills season, Josh did everything to get a win. As a Bills fan you should be ashamed.

[ToGoGo]

I’d hate it as an opposing fan. 
 

But from our perspective, whatever works. Mahomes is even more childish about it. Not to mention how pathetic Brady was when he didn’t get his way. 

[JGMcD2]

8 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Allen also has a tendency to start a fight and then hide behind his linemen. 

 

he wasn't always this way

 

 

Yeah, you’re right…

 

 

[HalftimeAdjustment]

In one of the "flop" reels the defender grabbed him with both arms and pulled him to the ground. That is not flopping.

 

The "flop" is when someone touches his chest and he dramatically throws both arms in the air to draw attention to the fact he is apparently dying. If the refs are annoyed by it, then they should send him off to be checked in the concussion protocol, because "wow thst hit really floored you... you went limp!" As long as they are consistent with other QBs... one rule for everyone.

[GaryPinC]

Many referees in all the major sports (especially professional) avoid calling fouls that are "trifling", ie. in their opinion not a major impact on play.  Some also decide on a given day to set a pickier standard against a certain infraction.  All this is of course highly subjective and maddening but that's how it is. 

 

Josh, LeBron et al embellish for two reasons:  It focuses the refs attention to their "plight" (for future calls).  If effective, it forces opposing players to back off.

 

It's smart and can benefit the entire team.  Used to hate it, but it serves to create advantage.

 

Cleveland gets upset because Myles Garrett has been held a ton this year but uncalled.  It's because he fights so hard through them the refs won't bite.  If he ever gets smart and draws a few fouls then he could really unload and break the sack record. 

[BullBuchanan]

I hate it, but I also think players take a lot of cheap shots at him because he's a running QB. The flops tend to even out the calls he should get but doesn't.

[MJS]

14 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

This is one thing I would change about him.  I agree with then OP.   I think they should make embellishing a penalty, it sucks in soccer and basketball and hockey.  It’s bush league. 

Until it is a penalty, it is dumb not to do it.

[WhoTom]

I'm not a fan of anyone doing it but it's become part of the game now, so I accept it when Josh does it. Any legal edge you can get, I guess.

 

But I can see a time when it becomes so obnoxious that they'll start penalizing someone for asking for a flag.

 

[JGMcD2]

Just now, SUNY_amherst said:

 

He literally chest-bumped the smallest guy on the field, but ok

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Allen also has a tendency to start a fight and then hide behind his linemen. 

 

he wasn't always this way

 

 

Lord you love moving the goal posts. 

[Success]

The one for the 1st TD wasn't really much of a flop - I don't think he fell on purpose.  He shouldn't have pointed to his facemask, but the fall was legit imo.

 

[JGMcD2]

Just now, SUNY_amherst said:

 

I havent been around much to make conclusions about

You’re around far too much with very little to contribute. 

Edited December 18, 2023 by JGMcD2

[BufBills83]

You use every advantage possible to win.  When the flag is thrown and we get 15 yards, none of us are complaining.  I don't care how the optics look.  I want a Superbowl.

 

And actually, a lot of the ones that he flopped on were late hits.  The one yesterday was late.