Steelers Damontae Kazee Suspended Rest of Season

[ExiledInIllinois]

  On 12/18/2023 at 6:36 PM, MJS said:

Wow, suspended the rest of the season? That seems pretty harsh.

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NOT for the League. They get got free labor!

[TampaBillsJunkie]

Jack Tatum would call that a routine hit. My have the rules changed. It was pretty reckless though.

[Don Otreply]

  On 12/18/2023 at 7:01 PM, Big Turk said:

 

No...because you assume when you are putting your WR in a defenseless position when 3 defenders are bearing down on him that the worst is going to happen. That's one of the first rules you learn as a QB, not to put your receivers in those positions.  He will be getting an earful from his OC/QB coach today when they watch the film.

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How about the rule that prohibits purposefully trying to injure an opponent…, is that one to be disregarded?

Rename him Damontae Kamakaze

[MJS]

  On 12/18/2023 at 7:04 PM, TampaBillsJunkie said:

Jack Tatum would call that a routine hit. My have the rules changed. It was pretty reckless though.

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Yeah, those types of hits used to be celebrated. I think it's good that things have changed, but sometimes it feels like any hard hit is going to get a flag, even if technically within the rules, which sucks.

[K-9]

  On 12/18/2023 at 6:54 PM, Big Turk said:

I thought he might have killed the Colts receiver with that hit...it was brutal...but it was equally brutal on Minshew for throwing that ball to that location. You gotta be better as a QB and know you can't make that throw leading your receiver into that type of situation. That's why Minshew is a backup. Dude is going to get his receivers killed eventually.

 

Unacceptable throw by Minshew.

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So QBs who throw to open spaces in zones are making unacceptable throws? We see that multiple times a game by QBs good and bad every week. Granted, the throw lacked a finer touch but it was a good attempt nonetheless. The only unacceptable aspect of the play was Kazee’s criminal lack of self control. 

[MJS]

  On 12/18/2023 at 7:04 PM, Don Otreply said:

How about the rule that prohibits purposefully trying to injure an opponent…, is that one to be disregarded?

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The rules don't really try to govern intent. They try to govern the actual, physical actions of the players.

 

Even a call like intentional grounding, with intent in the name, is not actually governing intent. They have physical rules around it (no receiver within X amount of yards, etc.).

[Big Turk]

  On 12/18/2023 at 7:07 PM, K-9 said:

So QBs who throw to open spaces in zones are making unacceptable throws? We see that multiple times a game by QBs good and bad every week. Granted, the throw lacked a finer touch but it was a good attempt nonetheless. The only unacceptable aspect of the play was Kazee’s criminal lack of self control. 

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Bad throw, bad ball position and leading his receiver into a defenseless position where he is likely to get murdered.  It was a bad throw with inaccurate ball placement and serving his receiver up on a silver platter to get hit hard without the ability to protect himself. So yes, that's bad QB play and there won't be one actual QB that played in the NFL that says otherwise.

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[Don Otreply]

  On 12/18/2023 at 7:10 PM, MJS said:

The rules don't really try to govern intent. They try to govern the actual, physical actions of the players.

 

Even a call like intentional grounding, with intent in the name, is not actually governing intent. They have physical rules around it (no receiver within X amount of yards, etc.).

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Well maybe the rule should be refreshed to include intent with these sort of hits that are known to be injury causing, what ya think in this sort of case? 

  On 12/18/2023 at 7:11 PM, Big Turk said:

 

Bad throw, bad ball position and leading his receiver into a defenseless position where he is likely to get murdered.  It was a bad throw with inaccurate ball placement and serving his receiver up on a silver platter to get hit hard without the ability to protect himself. So yes, that's bad QB play and there won't be one actual QB that played in the NFL that says otherwise.

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So disregarding overt hits to cause harm is okay then…, it goes both ways, 

[Brit]

  On 12/18/2023 at 7:10 PM, MJS said:

 

 

Even a call like intentional grounding, with intent in the name, is not actually governing intent. They have physical rules around it (no receiver within X amount of yards, etc.).

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Explains the intentional grounding call when Allen had the horse collar non-call. Apparently the refs don't think Gabe Davis counts as a receiver anymore either.

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[Big Turk]

  On 12/18/2023 at 7:13 PM, Don Otreply said:

Well maybe the rule should be refreshed to include intent with these sort of hits that are known to be injury causing, what ya think in this sort of case? 

So disregarding overt hits to cause harm is okay then…, it goes both ways, 

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Not saying it at all...just saying the QB should know better.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Just saw the slow-mo replay, that could’ve been so much worse.

 

Too bad “suspended for season” is just 4 games. 

[julian]

Just another hit in virtually every other game prior to 1990s… I’m surprised someone wasn’t killed during all those vicious years of play.

 

 I think todays athletes are so much bigger and faster and maybe that’s why the smaller slower less athletic players of yesteryear were able to get away with it.

[Simon]

  On 12/18/2023 at 7:07 PM, MJS said:

I think it's good that things have changed, but sometimes it feels like any hard hit is going to get a flag, even if technically within the rules, which sucks.

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The ridiculous call on the tough hit Shakir took yesterday is a good example of that.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

The NFL has gradually allowed more contact in the secondary to slow down offense's and keep games closer and outcomes less certain...........and one aspect of that is that they have backslid on the player safety with regard to hits in and from players in the secondary.......and now they gotta' correct it.    

[<bills4life>]

  On 12/18/2023 at 6:42 PM, zow2 said:

He almost killed the man.  That's incredibly reckless.  

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Then you definitely wouldn’t have like Ronnie Lott or Leonard smith back in the day.  

[K-9]

  On 12/18/2023 at 7:11 PM, Big Turk said:

 

Bad throw, bad ball position and leading his receiver into a defenseless position where he is likely to get murdered.  It was a bad throw with inaccurate ball placement and serving his receiver up on a silver platter to get hit hard without the ability to protect himself. So yes, that's bad QB play and there won't be one actual QB that played in the NFL that says otherwise.

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Any QB worth his salt would say he needs to make a better throw in that situation. But QBs make those throws all the time. Minshew missed. Simple as that. It was a poor throw, not a poor decision because the receiver found the open area in the zone and that’s where the ball is supposed to go. 

[That's No Moon]

  On 12/18/2023 at 6:30 PM, BuffaloBillyG said:

 

Absolutely brutal hit. Supposedly he's a repeat offender. Ineligible for any post season games as well. I'm sure there will be an appeal.

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Speaking of Leonard Smith in another thread. This used to be legal and encouraged.

[K-9]

  On 12/18/2023 at 7:04 PM, TampaBillsJunkie said:

Jack Tatum would call that a routine hit. My have the rules changed. It was pretty reckless though.

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Fred Williamson would agree with Jack Tatum.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I actually thought the horse collar on Moss in that game was equally bad and should have led to an ejection. Defender was beat to the pylon and knew what he was doing when he horse collared moss. The penalty is nothing there because you are saving a TD. And it injured Moss.

[Steptide]

People were rolling their eyes at me on Saturday when I said he should be ejected for that hit. If that was one of our players, people would be out of their minds