If this continues then how can OC interviews be anything but a complete sham?

[Albany,n.y.]

Right now Joe Brady is earning the permanent OC job, but according to NFL rules the Bills have to interview for the OC job and they must interview minorities. 

If Brady's offense continues to win, then every interview is a sham since Brady will be a lock for the job.  

Unless the goal of the interviewee is to get the QB coach job, why would anyone interview for a job someone else is a lock to get?  This part of the enhanced Rooney Rule is a total joke. They might as well ask Les Frazier to interview for the OC job as a favor to the team.  

 

[Your Brown Eye]

dems' da rulz

[Andrew Son]

It all depends on who our new head coach will want!

[Ethan in Cleveland]

You underestimate the positive impact it is just to get to practice interviewing. It can be very helpful especially for say a young QB coach. Plus how do we know Brady doesn't bolt for a HC job in college. 

It never hurts to get a chance to present yourself. Plus these GMs all know each other. If a guy interviews really well they might let their colleagues know. Also what if someone under Beane or McDermott gets a GM or HC job somewhere else they may remember a guy that interviewed well. 

You may think it is a sham but it's any opportunity to impress someone.  

[Heels20X6]

The story goes that the Steelers were only doing their interviews as a formality before Mike Tomlin came in and blew them away. The rest is history. 

[JohnNord]

11 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Right now Joe Brady is earning the permanent OC job, but according to NFL rules the Bills have to interview for the OC job and they must interview minorities. 

If Brady's offense continues to win, then every interview is a sham since Brady will be a lock for the job.  

Unless the goal of the interviewee is to get the QB coach job, why would anyone interview for a job someone else is a lock to get?  This part of the enhanced Rooney Rule is a total joke. They might as well ask Les Frazier to interview for the OC job as a favor to the team.  

 

These are the rules for hiring the league created…in cases like Brady it really doesn’t make sense but I don’t think interviewing other candidates is a bad thing for Buffalo.  
 

For example, I know they looked at Ken Dorsey as OC back in 2017, before making him QB coach in 2019.

 

I do feel bad for the candidates (minority or otherwise) because they put in a ton of work and energy for a job that is essentially not open.   In cases like this, the Rooney rule fails.  

[Albany,n.y.]

5 minutes ago, Heels20X6 said:

The story goes that the Steelers were only doing their interviews as a formality before Mike Tomlin came in and blew them away. The rest is history. 

The difference is they didn't have an interim coach who had done a great job before they interviewed Tomlin (Who is a HOF coach and was obviously the right choice). The job was open and so were the minds of the Rooneys.  

[strive_for_five_guy]

27 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

These are the rules for hiring the league created…in cases like Brady it really doesn’t make sense but I don’t think interviewing other candidates is a bad thing for Buffalo.  
 

For example, I know they looked at Ken Dorsey as OC back in 2017, before making him QB coach in 2019.

 

I do feel bad for the candidates (minority or otherwise) because they put in a ton of work and energy for a job that is essentially not open.   In cases like this, the Rooney rule fails.  

Interviewing for an OC role is still good practice for any interested candidates, not to mention it potentially opens the door for other opportunities down the road.  Or you really impress the interviewers, maybe they figure out a role that would work for both sides more immediately?  

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

48 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Right now Joe Brady is earning the permanent OC job, but according to NFL rules the Bills have to interview for the OC job and they must interview minorities. 

If Brady's offense continues to win, then every interview is a sham since Brady will be a lock for the job.  

Unless the goal of the interviewee is to get the QB coach job, why would anyone interview for a job someone else is a lock to get?  This part of the enhanced Rooney Rule is a total joke. They might as well ask Les Frazier to interview for the OC job as a favor to the team.  

 

 

If they elect to "remove the interim tag" prior to seasons end, does that get around that rule?

[Virgil]

He will definitely have the leg up, but we still have 3 games to go and potentially the playoffs.  It typically takes the league half a season to adjust to a new coordinator and how many times have we seen high powered offenses get shut down in the playoffs.  Just look at the Ravens since Lamar got there.

 

I'm not saying this to be negative against Brady, but we can't be ready to just give him the job yet.  If this production continues and he shows adjustments, then I'll for it

[msw2112]

There are two ways to approach this.  One is to say it's a sham and a waste of time.  The other is to say that it's an opportunity to get to know some of the guys out there in the marketplace that could benefit the team in the future.  Maybe a guy impresses enough to find a spot for him on the staff, or maybe Brady leaves for a HC job at some point down the road and a guy you spoke with and liked is available at that time.  And with the Rooney rule, maybe it gives a minority guy some exposure or interviewing practice that he might not have otherwise had.

 

As to whether removing the interim tag would negate the requirement to interview, I have no idea, but it would certainly make sense.  I don't think Brady is ready or going to get offers as a NFL head coach and I couldn't see him wanting to go to another team as OC, so the Bills should consider locking him up.  What OC would leave Josh Allen unless it was to become a head coach?  Brady is obviously acing the test so far.

Edited December 18, 2023 by msw2112

[since79]

If McDermott is staying, we need to lock Brady down as The OC, assistant head coach.  He was interviewed by several teams in the '21 cycle for Head coach. His resurgence here will open eyes again and get him looked at for Head Coach openings.  

 

We need to make the playoffs to make the interview process more complex elsewhere where teams are waiting. 

 

If we don't make the playoffs we need to act quick on a McDermott decision and consider him as the head coach.

 

Our interviews may not just be for an offensive coordinator to satisfy the rule  but for his replacement.  The end of the season here is getting complicated.

[Big Turk]

I don't know how they don't give the job to Brady...he has really turned things around and unlocked a new dimension to the offense.  And turned Cook into a top 5 dual threat in the NFL at RB. And unlocked some nasty along the OLine.

[Beast]

I debated starting a thread about this but decided to just put this here….

 

I believe there is a decent possibility Joe Brady will not be with the Bills next season.

 

He has already interviewed for head coaching positions in the past and the Chargers wanted to interview him for their OC spot last off-season.

 

My point being, Brady is well known around the league and teams are clamoring for the next Sean McVay, Mike McDaniel type.

 

Brady will be sought after this off-season.

 

 

[K D]

2 minutes ago, Beast said:

I debated starting a thread about this but decided to just put this here….

 

I believe there is a decent possibility Joe Brady will not be with the Bills next season.

 

He has already interviewed for head coaching positions in the past and the Chargers wanted to interview him for their OC spot last off-season.

 

My point being, Brady is well known around the league and teams are clamoring for the next Sean McVay, Mike McDaniel type.

 

Brady will be sought after this off-season.

Which is why you should only hire OC head coaches who call the plays. If the Bills ever have a good year (which is likely every year because they have a good QB) then the OC will be up for HC gigs.

[Warcodered]

Honestly the season keeps going the way it's going who is going to want to interview for the job, knowing that unless we somehow get ***** over and he takes a job as a HC, which I'd think would be a mistake get some experience first I mean come on, the job is pretty well set in stone. I guess some guys just looking for experience applying?

[Albany,n.y.]

26 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

If they elect to "remove the interim tag" prior to seasons end, does that get around that rule?

No.  The whole reason for the interim tag is because you cannot hire a permanent head coach, coordinator, or GM who is not a minority, in season.  

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Right now Joe Brady is earning the permanent OC job, but according to NFL rules the Bills have to interview for the OC job and they must interview minorities. 

If Brady's offense continues to win, then every interview is a sham since Brady will be a lock for the job.  

Unless the goal of the interviewee is to get the QB coach job, why would anyone interview for a job someone else is a lock to get?  This part of the enhanced Rooney Rule is a total joke. They might as well ask Les Frazier to interview for the OC job as a favor to the team.  

 

 

So he can't be promoted from within before the season ends and kept on?  

 

 

[Albany,n.y.]

4 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

So he can't be promoted from within before the season ends and kept on?  

 

 

Nope.  Here's an example: Jim Haslett 

Haslett became the St. Louis Rams' defensive coordinator to start the 2006 season. On September 29, 2008 Haslett was named the interim head coach of the Rams after Scott Linehan was fired. The Rams gave Haslett an interim coach's contract, containing a clause that promised him the permanent head coach's job if the team won at least six games that season. Within a few weeks, this clause was nullified by the NFL, because it violated the league's "Rooney Rule".

Edited December 18, 2023 by Albany,n.y.

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Right now Joe Brady is earning the permanent OC job, but according to NFL rules the Bills have to interview for the OC job and they must interview minorities. 

If Brady's offense continues to win, then every interview is a sham since Brady will be a lock for the job.  

Unless the goal of the interviewee is to get the QB coach job, why would anyone interview for a job someone else is a lock to get?  This part of the enhanced Rooney Rule is a total joke. They might as well ask Les Frazier to interview for the OC job as a favor to the team.  

 

To me, he's already on the team. If they just want to give him a permanent title, they should be able to having to interview other candidates just because is stupid