McDermott’s Defense against #1 Offense? Discuss

[Wayne Arnold]

4 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

If they played that focused week after week after week we’d have won 6 straight Superbowls and remain undefeated. Life doesn’t work like that. Your demanding perfection in a week to week league. 

 

That's ridiculous.

 

How about we start with one Super Bowl and go from there?

[Wayne Arnold]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Follow up question, what current coach didn't have head-shaking stinker in the NFL? This team lost 3 games in the regular season last year.

 

This is legitimate myopic, insane critique.

 

Deep breaths.

 

This team has multiple head-shaking stinkers every year under McDermott despite him working with the 1st or 2nd best QB on the planet and multiple stacked rosters over the last five seasons.

 

Just a few examples:

 

2019 - 2nd half collapse at Texans in the playoffs

2020 - Losing to the Titans by 26 points, losing by multiple touchdowns to the Chiefs in McDermott's only AFC Championship appearance

2021 - Season-opening loss at home to a mediocre Steelers team, losing to Urban Meyer, losing by 26 points at home to the Colts, choking to the Chiefs in the playoffs

2022 - Losing to the Dolphins after winning the first two games by an average of 28 points, losing back-to-back games to Jets and Vikings, home playoff blowout loss 

 

Underachieving / choking has become the new perception of this franchise among NFL fans. People blame Allen for this because he's the face of the franchise and one of the faces of the NFL but in reality the head coach is responsible for preparing the team week in and week out.

 

Addressing your "this team lost 3 games in the regular season last year" point - yes, they lost three games in the regular season and then proceeded to get their butts kicked at home in the divisional round. The team looked unmotivated, out of synch, tight, etc.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Deep breaths.

 

This team has multiple head-shaking stinkers every year under McDermott despite him working with the 1st or 2nd best QB on the planet and multiple stacked rosters over the last five seasons.

 

Just a few examples:

 

2019 - 2nd half collapse at Texans in the playoffs

2020 - Losing to the Titans by 26 points, losing by multiple touchdowns to the Chiefs in McDermott's only AFC Championship appearance

2021 - Season-opening loss at home to a mediocre Steelers team, losing to Urban Meyer, losing by 26 points at home to the Colts, choking to the Chiefs in the playoffs

2022 - Losing to the Dolphins after winning the first two games by an average of 28 points, losing back-to-back games to Jets and Vikings, home playoff blowout loss 

 

Underachieving / choking has become the new perception of this franchise among NFL fans. People blame Allen for this because he's the face of the franchise and one of the faces of the NFL but in reality the head coach is responsible for preparing the team week in and week out.

 

Addressing your "this team lost 3 games in the regular season last year" point - yes, they lost three games in the regular season and then proceeded to get their butts kicked at home in the divisional round. The team looked unmotivated, out of synch, tight, etc.

Okay. Let's compare it to.... the Chiefs

 

2019: Head-shaking stinker to the Colts, lost 13-19 with Jacoby Brissett

2020: Let the Raiders drop 40 points on them, and in the biggest game of the season, got blown out by the Bucs 31-9.

2021: Started out the season 3-4, including an 18 point loss to the Bills and 27-3 loss to the Titans. Second half chokefest to the Bengals in the playoffs.

2022: Inexplicable loss to the Colts, again, loss to the Bills, loss to the Bengals.

 

You keep saying "no one loses like the McDermott Bills" and it continues to be the most myopic view in the NFL. This is arguably the second best team IN THE LEAGUE since 2020.

 

Total nonsense.

[Wayne Arnold]

12 hours ago, FireChans said:

Okay. Let's compare it to.... the Chiefs

 

2019: Head-shaking stinker to the Colts, lost 13-19 with Jacoby Brissett

2020: Let the Raiders drop 40 points on them, and in the biggest game of the season, got blown out by the Bucs 31-9.

2021: Started out the season 3-4, including an 18 point loss to the Bills and 27-3 loss to the Titans. Second half chokefest to the Bengals in the playoffs.

2022: Inexplicable loss to the Colts, again, loss to the Bills, loss to the Bengals.

 

You keep saying "no one loses like the McDermott Bills" and it continues to be the most myopic view in the NFL. This is arguably the second best team IN THE LEAGUE since 2020.

 

Total nonsense.

 

Laughable. The Chiefs have been three Super Bowls since 2019 and won two of them. To compare McDermott's Bills to Reid's Chiefs is - how'd you put it? - "total nonsense".

 

"This is arguably the second best team IN THE LEAGUE since 2020".

 

That's funny because there have been five teams who have participated in the Super Bowl since 2020 (three different winners) - and none are McDermott's Bills.

 

And this season the Bills may miss the 14-team playoffs.

 

Just get to the Super Bowl and win it. All doubts fade away. Until then, expect more of the same truths spoken about McDermott, as emotional as it seems to make you.

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2023 by Wayne Arnold

[FireChans]

22 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Laughable. The Chiefs have been three Super Bowls since 2019 and won two of them. To compare McDermott's Bills to Reid's Chiefs is - how'd you put it? - "total nonsense".

 

"This is arguably the second best team IN THE LEAGUE since 2020".

 

That's funny because there have been five teams who have participated in the Super Bowl since 2020 (three different winners) - and none are McDermott's Bills.

 

And this season the Bills may miss the 14-team playoffs.

 

Just get to the Super Bowl and win it. All doubts fade away. Until then, expect more of the same truths spoken about McDermott, as emotional as it seems to make you.

 

 

 

That was to give you some much-needed perspective. 
 

“no one loses head scratcher games like McD’s Bills.”

 

”well, here’s all the Chiefs weird losses too”

 

”YOU DARE COMPARE THESE TWO TEAMS!”

 

lol

[Wayne Arnold]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

That was to give you some much-needed perspective. 
 

“no one loses head scratcher games like McD’s Bills.”

 

”well, here’s all the Chiefs weird losses too”

 

”YOU DARE COMPARE THESE TWO TEAMS!”

 

lol

 

Super Bowl rings tend to erase some of the sting from relatively meaningless regular season losses. 

 

If you don't understand that, I simply can't help you.

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Super Bowl rings tend to erase some of the sting from relatively meaningless regular season losses. 

 

If you don't understand that, I simply can't help you.

That doesn’t mean they don’t happen, sting or no sting.

 

Like I said, myopic critique.

[BringBackFergy]

10 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Super Bowl rings tend to erase some of the sting from relatively meaningless regular season losses. 

 

If you don't understand that, I simply can't help you.

Take Bill Cowher, for example...I'm not going to list all of the bonehead losses he suffered over his 15 years in the NFL.

But he went to two Superbowls and won one of them. 

Again, demanding perfection from a 6th year coach and team (that has seen its fair share of adversity in the last two years) is premature. 

Face it, you and Tyler Dunne share a minority opinion of McDermott.

If anything, I'd like to see McD hire a full time DC who can manage the defense with McD.  

 

 

[FireChans]

24 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Take Bill Cowher, for example...I'm not going to list all of the bonehead losses he suffered over his 15 years in the NFL.

But he went to two Superbowls and won one of them. 

Again, demanding perfection from a 6th year coach and team (that has seen its fair share of adversity in the last two years) is premature. 

Face it, you and Tyler Dunne share a minority opinion of McDermott.

If anything, I'd like to see McD hire a full time DC who can manage the defense with McD.  

 

 

Eagles just lost to a Seahawks team with their backup QB, after getting their doors blown off two weeks in a row by the other two top NFC teams.

 

Man, only McD's Bills lose bad games. It's crazy.

[Nihilarian]

This HC / DC took the two best offenses this season and destroyed them both! When Buffalo played the super-hot Miami Dolphins in week four they had just beaten the Denver Broncos by 70 to 20 and no team was hotter. 

 

Buffalo beat that Miami team in week 4, 48-20, and held their star WR Tyreek Hill to 3 receptions for 58 yards and 0 TDs!!!

 

That Buffalo defense without their best CB in Tre White also held Mike Evens 3 receptions for 39 yards. Ja'Marr Chase 4 receptions for 41 yards. AJ Brown 5 receptions for 37 yards.  And in this game CeeDee Lamb 7 receptions for 53 yards. 

 

The Dallas Cowboys were the hottest offense in the NFL before coming to Buffalo by racking up nearly 40 points a game on opponents. 

On 12/17/2023 at 7:14 PM, TheyCallMeAndy said:

McDominate 

 

Also his 70th career win. 

I like it! 

[ddaryl]

I'm still nervous with McDermott being our HC...

I agree with the perception that the last 2 weeks have been real good, but I would be lying if I did not mention how nervous I am with him being our HC. We will see how the rest of this season goes but IMO there is too much WTF? in McD's Bills HC history. Way too many 4th quarter crash and burns for me this year to to put the rose colored galsses back on. Then the dubious late calls ( 13 seconds etc....) can not just be wiped away (accept with a SB vicorty). Especially since this is Josh's prime and I think we wasted 2 to 3 years of it because of him.

Hopefully thats all behind but his consistency has not been consistent unless you consider unconsistent, consistent

Edited December 19, 2023 by ddaryl

[Don Otreply]

On 12/17/2023 at 7:06 PM, boyst said:

I Blame Dorsey

I still blame Frazier…

[finn]

17 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Deep breaths.

 

This team has multiple head-shaking stinkers every year under McDermott despite him working with the 1st or 2nd best QB on the planet and multiple stacked rosters over the last five seasons.

 

Just a few examples:

 

2019 - 2nd half collapse at Texans in the playoffs

2020 - Losing to the Titans by 26 points, losing by multiple touchdowns to the Chiefs in McDermott's only AFC Championship appearance

2021 - Season-opening loss at home to a mediocre Steelers team, losing to Urban Meyer, losing by 26 points at home to the Colts, choking to the Chiefs in the playoffs

2022 - Losing to the Dolphins after winning the first two games by an average of 28 points, losing back-to-back games to Jets and Vikings, home playoff blowout loss 

 

Underachieving / choking has become the new perception of this franchise among NFL fans. People blame Allen for this because he's the face of the franchise and one of the faces of the NFL but in reality the head coach is responsible for preparing the team week in and week out.

 

Addressing your "this team lost 3 games in the regular season last year" point - yes, they lost three games in the regular season and then proceeded to get their butts kicked at home in the divisional round. The team looked unmotivated, out of synch, tight, etc.

You lost me at "multiple stacked rosters." On offense, they have had Allen, Diggs, and...? Anyone else? Anyone at all? 

 

No, when the history of this Bills team will be written, they'll say Allen alone raised this team from average. And they'll be right. 

[Don Otreply]

On 12/17/2023 at 7:28 PM, Motorin' said:

 

Something about the invasion of Poland and rolling straight through France? I kid, I kid. 

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor..,, 

[RyanC883]

On 12/18/2023 at 1:17 PM, BringBackFergy said:

If they played that focused week after week after week we’d have won 6 straight Superbowls and remain undefeated. Life doesn’t work like that. Your demanding perfection in a week to week league. 

 

I'm not sure he is demanding perfection as a lack of utterly inexcusable lapses at the worst time.  12 men, 13 seconds, the Eagles kneel down, the utter unpreparedness against Cincinatti.  

23 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Take Bill Cowher, for example...I'm not going to list all of the bonehead losses he suffered over his 15 years in the NFL.

But he went to two Superbowls and won one of them. 

Again, demanding perfection from a 6th year coach and team (that has seen its fair share of adversity in the last two years) is premature. 

Face it, you and Tyler Dunne share a minority opinion of McDermott.

If anything, I'd like to see McD hire a full time DC who can manage the defense with McD.  

 

 

 

1.  That Steelers team overachieved for much of the time, yet Cower's loss in 1994 v. the Chargers was really not acceptable.  Most other teams get a win there and go to the SB.  

 

2.  On McD with a DC, I'm not sure if that's an issue to help McD in game management, or perhaps an assistant in-game manager?  If we go DC, I want someone who plays aggressive like McD.  Perhaps promote Babbich?  

[Rew]

I think McDermott is a better head coach when he is not coordinating, and a better coordinator when he is not head coaching.  We have had more struggles this year that are related to too many in game context switches or mixed priorities.  The head coach needs to make in game decisions without their coordinator hat on, but it is impossible to eliminate this bias.

 

Every awesome mid game game adjustment that McDermott makes defensively is an offensive drive that he is not fully engaged in.  This same thought applies to other coaches (offensive or defensive) that try to do both jobs simultaneously.  It can work in limited spurts, but it's not the path to best performance as a whole team leader.

[BringBackFergy]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

 

 

2.  On McD with a DC, I'm not sure if that's an issue to help McD in game management, or perhaps an assistant in-game manager?  If we go DC, I want someone who plays aggressive like McD.  Perhaps promote Babbich?  

A head coach is an inspirational leader and evaluator of talent.  He is also charged with the duty to manage the game, gauge the players temperament and be a figure head who the players listen to and respect.  I doubt there is another candidate out there who fits that role better than McD in the eyes of the people it matters to most - the players and the owner.  Every fan clamoring for a new head coach based on mistakes made by all different individuals (McD, Bass, Johnson with PI, etc.) ranks at the bottom of the barrel compared to those who want him to remain (Josh Allen, T Pegs and Beane).

 

BUT - He does need a like minded full time DC (hopefully someone who shares his attraction to fast LB's, Tweener safeties and fierce pass rush to force QB errors).  McD has enough on his plate with player morale, game day decisions, etc.  He should work in conjunction with a DC who shares his vision of the defense and concentrate solely on head coach responsibilities.

[PrimeTime101]

On 12/17/2023 at 7:07 PM, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

Didn't he lose the locker room?

I think he did at one point and that 911 BS rallied the team around him. And now that the defense knows what it feels like to play outstanding ball against great offenses,, they going to be way more confident. That goes a long way.

[Mikie2times]

22 coaches in the Super Bowl era have over a. 600 winning % in the regular season. 19 of them have a conference championship.  The three who do not are Matt LaFleur, Marty Schottenheimer, and Sean McDermott. Does a couple regular season wins change the narrative? 

 

 

Edited December 20, 2023 by Mikie2times

[colin]

25 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

22 coaches in the Super Bowl era have over a. 600 winning % in the regular season. 19 of them have a conference championship.  The three who do not are Matt LaFleur, Marty Schottenheimer, and Sean McDermott. Does a couple regular season wins change the narrative? 

 

 

 

 

this is the crux of it right here.  

 

mcd's coaching/ the team performance (the man said himself that this is a results league, so it's more than fair to judge him by the team's results) in the playoffs has fallen flat, particularly on the defensive side, too many times.

 

getting us there is one thing, but we all know the talent on this team is enough for a reasonable coach to get us there.  mcd will ultimately be judged on  his results at the top of the heap.  after an abysmal start to his coaching over the first 12 or so games this season, he's on a path now that could enshrine him as the bills goat, so he can't cry unfair (not that i think he would)