NFL will look at the fumble-out-of-end-zone rule

[DrBob806]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Reaching is stupid.  Got it

We've all yelled at our TV or in the stadium in that situation. 

 

 

[frostbitmic]

What if the ball rolls out of the back of the end zone ?

 

[Don Otreply]

Y’all remember the KC game at home a few years back? We fumbled out the back of the end zone and lost the game…, We drove up from Connecticut for that game, thought we were going to win until that play…, 

 

GO BILLS!!!

[eball]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

Yeah they still keep the ball that they didn't possess in that moment or recover so yeah rewarded, they lost a down, why the ***** wouldn't they it's treated like a recovery and if you recover the fumble and it's not a first down it's the next down. You're not suggesting you can fumble recover the ball and get a fresh set of downs? The defense doesn't get the ball because they didn't possess it, sure neither did the offense they lost it the ball went out of bounds and the rule in the regular part of the field rewards them with the ball back, but in the endzone it gives it to the defense.

 

I'm trying, but i'm not seeing your logic.

 

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I'm trying, but i'm not seeing your logic.

 

Right so the offense fumbles the ball, they've lost possession of it, they have to recover it to keep it, if the defense recovers it it's theirs. So at that point the ball is on the ground and there's two teams equally scrambling to get the ball. But with the sideline rule despite the fact that neither team has gained possession of the ball it gives the ball to one of them, so one of them gets rewarded despite not actually doing anything. For all of the field except the endzones it gives the ball to the offense, but in those two areas it gives it to the defense.

[Doc Brown]

48 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

What if the ball rolls out of the back of the end zone ?

 

Happened to Bryce Brown against KC.  It’s a touchback for the defense.

[Big Turk]

20 hours ago, Realist said:

I would say, play it like an incomplete pass. Ball goes out of the end zone, go back to the original line of scrimmage and next down.

 

That doesn't make any sense.  There is no rule for a fumble where that would happen. However, there is a rule where the ball would be marked where the fumble initiated from already in place during certain points of the game, so that would be the most likely solution.

 

11 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Right so the offense fumbles the ball, they've lost possession of it, they have to recover it to keep it, if the defense recovers it it's theirs. So at that point the ball is on the ground and there's two teams equally scrambling to get the ball. But with the sideline rule despite the fact that neither team has gained possession of the ball it gives the ball to one of them, so one of them gets rewarded despite not actually doing anything. For all of the field except the endzones it gives the ball to the offense, but in those two areas it gives it to the defense.

 

It isn't that they get rewarded, it's that it reverts to the team who possessed it last. Same thing would happen on a fumble recovery or INT by the defense after they gain possession and they then fumble and it goes out of bounds.  The team who had possession last retains it.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Big Turk

[Prospector]

Or it can be like the forward fumbling rule... Just give the offense the ball where the player fumbled

[Big Turk]

20 hours ago, BuffBillsForLife said:

What would they change it to?  Offense gets the ball at the 1?  It can't be a TD.

 

It's very simple...they would simply combine 2 rules that are already in place and extend it to include anytime a ball is fumbled into and thru an endzone.  I would argue this should ONLY be in play for balls that are fumbled out of bounds sideways, not THRU the back of the endzone because in that case the offensive team likely had a mad scramble to attempt to recover the ball and had at least a full 10 yards to get it back, so that should then be the defenses ball.  Completely different for a player reaching towards the goalline and fumbling it barely through the side line of the endzone.

 

1)  Apply the rule that the ball is dead where it was fumbled at if not recovered by the same player within the last 2 minutes of a half.

2) Apply the rule that if a fumble goes out of bounds it reverts to the team who last possessed it legally.

 

These two rules now make it so the ball is dead where the fumble initiated and the team who last legally possessed it maintains control.  

 

Simple, easy and generally follows the rules that are already in place, not some of the crazy rules people are coming up with.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Big Turk

[Prospector]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It's very simple...they would simply combine 2 rules that are already in place and extend it to include anytime a ball is fumbled into and thru an endzone.  I would argue this should ONLY be in play for balls that are fumbled out of bounds sideways, not THRU the back of the endzone because in that case the offensive team likely had a mad scramble to attempt to recover the ball and had at least a full 10 yards to get it back, so that should then be the defenses ball.  Completely different for a player reaching towards the goalline and fumbling it barely through the side line of the endzone.

 

1)  Apply the rule that the ball is dead where it was fumbled at if not recovered by the same player within the last 2 minutes of a half.

2) Apply the rule that if a fumble goes out of bounds it reverts to the team who last possessed it legally.

 

These two rules now make it so the ball is dead where the fumble initiated and the team who last legally possessed it maintains control.  

 

Simple, easy and generally follows the rules that are already in place, not some of the crazy rules people are coming up with.

This is what I was thinking. It makes way more sense than all the other wacky options people have suggested... and better than the current rule.

[Orlando Buffalo]

I like the touchback rule, the risk/reward of stretching out for the end zone is something that needs to remain in my mind. I know I am in minority but that rule is not one that should change.

[SinatraSinger]

I'll tell you a rule that should change:...............The being able to call fair catch on a kick off and automatically get the ball at the 25 yard line.  I hate that rule.  If you call a fair catch on a punt at the 5 yard line you get the ball at the 5 yard line, not on a kick off it goes to the 25 yard line.  It takes away the strategy of trying to force the other team to return the ball.  It irritates the crap out of me.

[Peter]

22 hours ago, Rubes said:

NFL will look at the fumble-out-of-end-zone rule

 

 

Good riddance, hope they come to their senses.
 

It is indeed a horrible rule and nonsensical.

[Prospector]

42 minutes ago, SinatraSinger said:

I'll tell you a rule that should change:...............The being able to call fair catch on a kick off and automatically get the ball at the 25 yard line.  I hate that rule.  If you call a fair catch on a punt at the 5 yard line you get the ball at the 5 yard line, not on a kick off it goes to the 25 yard line.  It takes away the strategy of trying to force the other team to return the ball.  It irritates the crap out of me.

Agreed, but the NFL doesn't want teams to return the kickoff

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Keep it the same. 

[frostbitmic]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Happened to Bryce Brown against KC.  It’s a touchback for the defense.

Thank you ... So my next stupid question is ... Why would there be a difference to the ball going out of the back of the end zone and the side of the end zone ? ... The end zone is the end zone, you're either in it or you aren't.

[Buffalo03]

5 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Y’all remember the KC game at home a few years back? We fumbled out the back of the end zone and lost the game…, We drove up from Connecticut for that game, thought we were going to win until that play…, 

 

GO BILLS!!!

You mean the Bryce Brown fumble 9 years ago?

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

You mean the Bryce Brown fumble 9 years ago?

Yup, when you’re old that is a few years ago, 😁

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

Thank you ... So my next stupid question is ... Why would there be a difference to the ball going out of the back of the end zone and the side of the end zone ? ... The end zone is the end zone, you're either in it or you aren't.

There isn't a difference.

[Scott7975]

Good I hate this rule.  At least give the ball back to the offense even if its at the original line of scrimmage.  Thats far better than awarding an undeserved touchback.  Personally I think the ball should just go to where the fumble occurred.  Why not?

Edited December 16, 2023 by Scott7975