Harvard: A Woke Joke And They're Hardly Alone. DEI Hire Gay Resigns As President

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

say you or I went to one of this institutions and tried to get a wall St finance job or even better a job in international finance, say in London.  If that was your goal you damn well should think like that....

Well, it’s been a few years since I knew or hung out with any Wall St types.  They were friends of a friend, successful guys working for Wall Street firms and none that went to Ivy League schools that I can recall.  One guy worked at Cantor and died on 9/11.  It’s  a small sample size, but again, we’re not arguing.  The networking and insider opportunities are legendary, and quite exclusive.   Education is big business—lots of money and power consolidated in a few places. 

 

3 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

St Lawrence.  Lots of friends at Dartmouth, Harvard, Middlebury, Skidmore, Oberlin etc.  I attended Niagara for 2 semesters as a grad student.  Nothing like those schools as far as faculty, facilities, libraries or connnections.

Endowment estimated at $315m for a tiny spec of a school just shy of the Canadian border.  
 

Dartmouth is sitting at $8b.  Interestingly, the school seems content to try and be part of the solution with student aid and grants awarded to lowish income student.   Still, $8b, wow.  

[LeviF]

The H-bomb may be one of the most valuable pieces of paper in the world. Pays dividends not just immediately after graduation but throughout your life if you play your cards right. 
 

Which is why it’s so incredibly disappointing to watch it get handed to the undeserving so often now. 
 

But that’s not a bug now, it’s a feature. 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Well, it’s been a few years since I knew or hung out with any Wall St types.  They were friends of a friend, successful guys working for Wall Street firms and none that went to Ivy League schools that I can recall.  One guy worked at Cantor and died on 9/11.  It’s  a small sample size, but again, we’re not arguing.  The networking and insider opportunities are legendary, and quite exclusive.   Education is big business—lots of money and power consolidated in a few places. 

 

Endowment estimated at $315m for a tiny spec of a school just shy of the Canadian border.  
 

Dartmouth is sitting at $8b.  Interestingly, the school seems content to try and be part of the solution with student aid and grants awarded to lowish income student.   Still, $8b, wow.  

so when you think of endowments, you think bad?  the alumni and the future alumni pay and will pay more tax than schools with small endowments by an order of magnitude or 3.  So isn't it fair that they recoup some in student aid?  the answer is yes.

SLU is not a spec in the hockey world and several other universes.  I think a good sign of networking/stature is whether the CIA regularly recruits there.  I interviewed with them.  Too big a mouth I guess.

 

THIS is capitalism...the rich get richer.  The alternative is socialism which MAGA's supposedly abhor.

Edited December 19, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[Precision]

Being a Director of Engineering in Northern MA/Southern NH I've had the opportunity to supervise, hire and work with engineers from most of the engineering schools in the northeast.    

 

My experience with new graduates is that generally, the Ivy (plus MIT) graduates are sharper than engineers from other Universities.  Having said that, they are often difficult to work with, arrogant and get bored easily.  Much of engineering is drudgery (prototyping, testing, rework, drawings, documentation/specifications) which the ivy league engineers often felt was boring or beneath them. 

 

Also, many top engineers (from all institutions) are highly driven and are obsessed with furthering their career.  With little company loyalty, I have experienced these types of individuals who left the company with less than a year into the position in which they were hired. 

 

Due to the above, I changed my hiring strategy and seldom targeted engineers from top institutions or engineers who were at the top of their class.  I found more value from graduates with good but lower GPA's from second tier schools.  

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, Precision said:

Being a Director of Engineering in Northern MA/Southern NH I've had the opportunity to supervise, hire and work with engineers from most of the engineering schools in the northeast.    

 

My experience with new graduates is that generally, the Ivy (plus MIT) graduates are sharper than engineers from other Universities.  Having said that, they are often difficult to work with, arrogant and get bored easily.  Much of engineering is drudgery (prototyping, testing, rework, drawings, documentation/specifications) which the ivy league engineers often felt was boring or beneath them. 

 

Also, many top engineers (from all institutions) are highly driven and are obsessed with furthering their career.  With little company loyalty, I have experienced these types of individuals who left the company with less than a year into the position in which they were hired. 

 

Due to the above, I changed my hiring strategy and seldom targeted engineers from top institutions or engineers who were at the top of their class.  I found more value from graduates with good but lower GPA's from second tier schools.  

Wondering if u consider RIT, RPI, Clarkson, Purdue as 2nd tier.  I don't.  Also, what's been your experience with 3/2 grads from liberal arts schools (eg St Lawrence/Clarkson)?

Edited December 19, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[LeviF]

25 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Wondering if u consider RIT, RPI, Clarkson, Purdue as 2nd tier.  I don't.  Also, what's been your experience with 3/2 grads from liberal arts schools (eg St Lawrence/Clarkson)?

 

I would if only because he qualified the Ivy+MIT crowd as "sharper." RIT, RPI, Clarkson, other northeast math and engineering powerhouses still recruit from a shallower pool than the Ivies, have lower SAT/ACT scores (which reflect IQ), and tend to test lower in tests like the MCAT, LSAT later on.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, LeviF said:

 

I would if only because he qualified the Ivy+MIT crowd as "sharper." RIT, RPI, Clarkson, other northeast math and engineering powerhouses still recruit from a shallower pool than the Ivies, have lower SAT/ACT scores (which reflect IQ), and tend to test lower in tests like the MCAT, LSAT later on.

Purdue is #2 in some polls.  It aint easy to get into any of those schools.

[LeviF]

2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Purdue is #2 in some polls.  It aint easy to get into any of those schools.

 

Yeah, I mean there's tiers of Ivies too if we're being honest. HYP then everyone else (with respect to our local Cornell apologists).

 

That said, Purdue accepts over half of its applicants. Now as far as skill goes, RIT/RPI/Clarkson, even Webb (though highly niche) may turn out folks who are actually better at working engineering jobs. Working out of the area to Purdue, Carnegie Mellon, Northwestern, etc. may pull similar results. But these schools generally have to weed people out of their elite programs more than the Ivies due to lower bar for admission.

 

Interestingly one exception to that rule might be Johns Hopkins. Despite not being an Ivy they are highly skewed toward test results in their admissions and end up with more folks of strong raw intelligence than other unis in their tier.

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Precision]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Wondering if u consider RIT, RPI, Clarkson, Purdue as 2nd tier.  I don't.  Also, what's been your experience with 3/2 grads from liberal arts schools (eg St Lawrence/Clarkson)?

Compared to the Ivy league schools (plus MIT) I do consider RIT, RPI, Clarkson, Purdue second tier.  I earned my BSEE and MSEE from Northeastern (was accepted at RIT, Clarkson and RPI) which I consider second tier as well.  I don't consider this a "dig" against any of the schools mentioned but when you look at admissions requirements, generally their standards are lower than the Ivy league schools (plus MIT). 

 

I would put the state schools (UML, UMA, UNH, UCONN, UMaine, SUNY's, etc.) behind the schools you have listed above. 

 

Most of my experience with hiring is with schools from the Northeast as logistically it is more difficult to recruit graduates from further away.  I always felt it was a waste of money to fly someone in for an interview when qualified candidates were close by.  Video/Teams interviews can work but it is challenging showcasing the facilities and work environment over media. 

 

In the end the candidate, their personality/attitude, GPA and story far outweigh any institution they attended.  

 

Edited December 19, 2023 by Precision

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

8 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

so when you think of endowments, you think bad?  the alumni and the future alumni pay and will pay more tax than schools with small endowments by an order of magnitude or 3.  So isn't it fair that they recoup some in student aid?  the answer is yes.

No, I don't think endowments are bad.  I actually thought I was clear--Harvard holding $51 billion in what amounts to a corporate slush fund is problematic in a world where student loan debt is allegedly crushing the average American.  One way to address that would be to partner with the federal government, and provide relief through gifts, grants to those suffering the most..and as you've pointed out, those people tend not to be Harvard grads.    My initial suggestion was 50%, but that's just an easy, round number.  33%?  25%? 40%?    The number of people that could be helped would be amazing, and Harvard would still control obscene amounts of money. Multiply that by the massive holdings of some of our university and colleges, you're getting some traction. 

 

Too much money, in too few hands, helps far too few people.  We call it out when country clubs are exclusionary, yet in education, it's a no fly zone. 

 

8 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

SLU is not a spec in the hockey world and several other universes.  I think a good sign of networking/stature is whether the CIA regularly recruits there.  I interviewed with them.  Too big a mouth I guess.

I'm not speaking ill of your alma mater, I'm just talking real world.  Small school, the university accepts nearly 60% of applicants, and 85 out of 100 graduate.   If the university has a good hockey program, great. A google search suggests average attendance at an SLU game at around 1,200 over the past few years.  It's awesome that you had an excellent experience there, that's what's most important for you.    I'm talking big picture here. 

 

8 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

THIS is capitalism...the rich get richer.  The alternative is socialism which MAGA's supposedly abhor.

No, not at all.  Your suggestion implies there is no middle ground.  That Harvard must maintain control of its incredible wealth, or give it all away.   There's plenty of middle ground to be found. 

[B-Man]

 

Now 40 allegations of plagiarism

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

20 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

No, not at all.  Your suggestion implies there is no middle ground.  That Harvard must maintain control of its incredible wealth, or give it all away.   There's plenty of middle ground to be found.

why should the gov't tell Harvard what to do with their money.  Should they be telling Exxon?  c'mon.  btw, I suspect t he vast majority of Harvard grads repay their debts in full.

Edited December 20, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[K D]

20 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

Now 40 allegations of plagiarism

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

why should the gov't tell Harvard what to do with their money.  Should they be telling Exxon?  c'mon.  btw, I suspect t he vast majority of Harvard grads repay their debts in full.

I'd think a Harvard grad would know that from minimum wage, unemployment, insurance requirements, permits, fees taxes and beyond, the government surely tells Exxon what to do with their money.  I'm surprised you don't, maybe too much hockey. 

 

As for my suggestion, Harvard is perhaps the most recognizable name in American education and a key player in the industry.  I don't understand why it makes sense to discuss Big Pharma's role in, say the opiod crisis or prescription drug cost, but shy away from discussing the role of educational institutions in the debt crisis beyond whatever self-serving approach they current take.   Why be so timid?  People are hurting.

 

My initial thought is that Harvard would want to be part of the solution, so I wouldn't think the government would have to "tell them" to do anything.  If there was resistance, sure, you push forward, but why? 

 

Not far from my office, there was a family farm (went back generations) adjoining land where the local high school/middle school sat.  It turned out the school wanted some of the land to build a brand new bus garage, the family didn't want to sell, and it became contentious.  At one point, the local Supt of the district stated that once they forced the sale of the land, they wouldn't necessarily need it all, and they would agree to "let the family keep some of it".  It was ugly, really, and thankfully the community rallied around the family and the Superintendent crawled back into the shadows.   

 

It's all about fair share, and breaking down the walls of wealth and privilege.   You seem to be more comfortable on the country club side of things, but I'd typically side with the family on the farm. 

[B-Man]

 

 

GOOD POINT: Why Harvard Can’t Fire Claudine Gay:

 

To admit she has performed poorly is to raise basic questions about the entire ‘diversity’ enterprise.

 

Worse yet, they’re questions that everyone knows are valid but that the establishment can’t admit exist.

 

https://archive.is/ZXHoE

 

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[BillStime]

lmao 

 

On 9/18/2023 at 1:50 PM, B-Man said:

And he bumps them every evening, wether there is something new or not.

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

5 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I'd think a Harvard grad would know that from minimum wage, unemployment, insurance requirements, permits, fees taxes and beyond, the government surely tells Exxon what to do with their money.  I'm surprised you don't, maybe too much hockey. 

Harvard has to deal with all this as well.  so do their wealthy donor alumni.  but the govt doesn't tell Exxon or big pharma or scumbags like Vivek what to do with their money once they've collected it.Archer Daniel Midlands gets billions in Ag subsidies.  R U calling for them to lower food prices from their profits?

 You sound like an absolute socialist....and here you're a trumper on everything else.  what you really want is what's best for you and your ilk, isms aside.  Not winning?  change the rules....i didn't realize til now what a victim you believe you are.  For the other anti establishment Maggots here it was obvious but you portrayed a veneer of success and some self pride.  guess not.....burn it all down and watch the devastation.  I just hope there's someone left to buy my house before I leave for greener pastures.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[Irv]

 

You’ve got to admit.  This dude looks a little like a chick.  
 

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by Irv