BillStime Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Irv said: If a group of students at Harvard said "kill all the blacks" - is that acceptable to you? You know they would be punished. Why different here? Here is the transcript. She should resign or be fired. Congresswoman Stefanik: Dr. Gay, a Harvard student calling for the mass murder of African Americans is not protected free speech at Harvard, correct? President Gay: Our commitment to free speech - Congresswoman Stefanik: It’s a yes or no question. Is that correct? Is that okay for students to call for the mass murder of African Americans at Harvard? Is the protected free speech? President Gay: Our commitment to free speech - Congresswoman Stefanik: It’s a yes or no question. Let me ask you this: you are president of Harvard so I assume you are familiar with the term “Intifada,” correct? President Gay: I have heard that term, yes. Congresswoman Stefanik: And you understand that the use of the term “intifada” in the context of the Israeli-Arab conflict is indeed a call for violent armed resistance against the State of Israel, including violence against civilians and the genocide of Jews. Are you aware of that? President Gay: That type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me. Congresswoman Stefanik: And there have been multiple marches at Harvard with student chanting “There is only one solution. Intifada revolution” and “Globalize the Intifada,” is that correct? President Gay: I’ve heard that thoughtless, reckless, and hateful language on our campus, yes. Congresswoman Stefanik: So based upon your testimony, you understand that this call for intifada is to commit genocide against the Jewish people in Israel and globally, correct? President Gay: I will say again, that type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me. Congresswoman Stefanik: Do you believe that type of hateful speech is contrary to Harvard’s Code of Conduct or is it allowed at Harvard? President Gay: It is at odds with the values of Harvard. Congresswoman Stefanik: Can you not say here that it is against the Code of Conduct at Harvard? President Gay: We embrace a commitment to free expression even of views that are objectionable, offensive, hateful - it’s when that speech crosses into conduct that violates our policies against bullying, harassment, intimidation… Congresswoman Stefanik: Does that speech not cross that barrier? Does that speech not call for the genocide of Jews and the elimination of Israel? You testified that you understand that that is the definition of “intifada.” Is that speech according to the Code of Conduct or not? President Gay: We embrace a commitment to free expression and give a wide berth to free expression even of views that are objectionable, outrageous and offensive. Congresswoman Stefanik: You and I both know that that is not the case. You are aware that Harvard ranked dead last when it came to free speech, are you not aware of that report? President Gay: As I’ve observed earlier, I reject that characterization of our campus. Congresswoman Stefanik: The data show’s it’s true and isn’t it true that Harvard previously rescinded multiple offers of admissions for applicants and accepted freshman for sharing offensive memes, racist statements, sometimes as young as 16-years-old. Did Harvard not rescind those offers of admission? President Gay: That long predates my time as president so I can’t speak - Congresswoman Stefanik: But you understand that Harvard made that decision to rescind those offers of admission. President Gay: I have no reason to contradict the facts as you present them to me. Congresswoman Stefanik: Correct, because it’s a fact. You’re also aware that a Winthrop House faculty dean was let go over who he chose to legally represent. Correct? That was while you were dean. President Gay: That is an incorrect characterization of what transpired. Congresswoman Stefanik: What’s the characterization? President Gay: I’m not going to get into details about a personnel matter. Congresswoman Stefanik: Well let me ask you this: will admission offers be rescinded or any disciplinary action be taken against students or applicants who say, “from the river to the sea” or “intifada” advocating for the murder of Jews. President Gay: As I’ve said, that type of hateful, reckless, offensive speech is personally abhorrent to me. Congresswoman Stefanik: No action will be taken? What action will be taken? President Gay: When speech crosses into conduct that violates our policies, including policies against bullying, harassment and intimidation, we take action. We have robust disciplinary processes that allow us to hold individuals accountable. Congresswoman Stefanik: What action has been taken against students who are harassing and calling for the genocide of jews on Harvards campus? President Gay: I can assure you, we have robust disciplinary actions. Congresswoman Stefanik: What actions have been taken? I’m not asking, I’m asking what actions have been taken against those students. President Gay: Given students rights to privacy and our obligations under FERPA. I will not say more about any specific cases other than to reiterate that processes are ongoing. Congresswoman Stefanik: Do you know what the number one hate crime in America is? President Gay: I know that over the last couple of months there has been an alarming rise of antisemitism which I understand is the critical topic that we are here to discuss. Congresswoman Stefanik: That's correct. It is anti-Jewish hate crimes. And Harvard ranks the lowest when it comes to protecting Jewish students. This is why I have called for your resignation and your testimony today and not being able to answer with moral clarity speaks volumes. None of it is appropriate... 1
John from Riverside Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, BillStime said: None of it is appropriate... you know, you’d really got a hand it to the conservatives a place where free speech is allowed just like they want it, and they want to ridicule it Most of this stuff is not appropriate. I find it interesting how conservatives tell us what is appropriate and what is not they are the most hateful and violent group on the planet. 2
BillStime Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 20 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: you know, you’d really got a hand it to the conservatives a place where free speech is allowed just like they want it, and they want to ridicule it Most of this stuff is not appropriate. I find it interesting how conservatives tell us what is appropriate and what is not they are the most hateful and violent group on the planet. Exactly. It doesn't even faze these idiots when they post garbage from known white supremacists like Jack Posobiec and Elon Musk or... 18 minutes ago, LeviF said: >most violent group on the planet Post stuff like this with no context or source. The War on White people is strong with these nutters. 1
John from Riverside Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 22 minutes ago, LeviF said: >most violent group on the planet Black people tend to be violent towards their own race Let’s make sure that we keep this in context 1 1
LeviF Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Black people tend to be violent towards their own race Let’s make sure that we keep this in context They also tend to be more violent towards other races than other groups. 17% of homicides of white victims were committed by blacks in 2019. Meanwhile only 8% of homicides of black victims were committed by whites in the same year. 1
BillsFanNC Posted December 14, 2023 Author Posted December 14, 2023 6 hours ago, LeviF said: Don't forget the MCAT and LSAT. Gonna have some serious competency crises in medicine and law in the near future. The very same morons who demanded that we follow the science when it meant everyone else needs to close up shop and stay home. 1
BillStime Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said: The very same morons who demanded that we follow the science when it meant everyone else needs to close up shop and stay home. Wow, Karen had to go all the way back to JUNE 10, 2020 for this gem. Gee, who was POTUS then and ignored his intelligence? Cry harder B 3
Irv Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, BillStime said: None of it is appropriate... I'm confused. In an earlier post you said it was "FREE SPEECH". What a mess. Edited December 14, 2023 by Irv 3
BillStime Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 Just now, Irv said: I'm confused. In an earlier post you said it was "FREE SPEACH". Exactly. We can't keep up with the cult, right Irv? Funny when you freaks are upset about offensive language. Right? 1 1
Irv Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 1 minute ago, BillStime said: Exactly. We can't keep up with the cult, right Irv? Funny when you freaks are upset about offensive language. Right? I could give a *****. Doesn't impact me. But you're two-faced. You said - "Free Speech" if you say "kill the Jews." Nuke Gaza. What a mess. 1 1
BillStime Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Irv said: I could give a *****. Doesn't impact me. But you're two-faced. You said - "Free Speech" if you say "kill the Jews." Nuke Gaza. What a mess. Two faced? No, that's you. You only care about what you're told. Don't you f'n dare put words in MY MOUTH when your savior, King Jesus Trump, is blaming Jews for destroying America and dining with antisemites at Ped-o-Lago. Get the H out of here. 1 1
BillsFanNC Posted December 14, 2023 Author Posted December 14, 2023 Let's me be clear, and I'll actually be clear, as opposed to KJP who becomes increasingly turbid after uttering that phrase.. I'm a free speech absolutist. I think hate speech, including hate speech against ethic or racial groups is protected. As abhorrent as these ideas and speech are, you should be allowed to voice them and in turn be called out for the horrible person that you are. However, as Billsfuk.c should well know, that's not the issue here. Harvard has hate speech rules that it does not apply equally. This is about Harvard and other institutions not applying the same standard across the board. Billsfuk.c either already knew that or he's just a moron of epic proportions. I'm going with the latter. 2
JaCrispy Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 18 hours ago, BillStime said: Look at these idiots get their panties in a bunch over FREE SPEECH. They never fn think. Pot calling the kettle black? 🤔 1 1
BillStime Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Pot calling the kettle black? 🤔 Yup 1 1
Irv Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 20 minutes ago, BillStime said: Two faced? No, that's you. You only care about what you're told. Don't you f'n dare put words in MY MOUTH when your savior, King Jesus Trump, is blaming Jews for destroying America and dining with antisemites at Ped-o-Lago. Get the H out of here. Oh no red font. The horror. Ha. You're funny. I don't like your face. Both of them. What a mess. 1 1
BillStime Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Let's me be clear, and I'll actually be clear, as opposed to KJP who becomes increasingly turbid after uttering that phrase.. I'm a free speech absolutist. I think hate speech, including hate speech against ethic or racial groups is protected. As abhorrent as these ideas and speech are, you should be allowed to voice them and in turn be called out for the horrible person that you are. However, as Billsfuk.c should well know, that's not the issue here. Harvard has hate speech rules that it does not apply equally. This is about Harvard and other institutions not applying the same standard across the board. Billsfuk.c either already knew that or he's just a moron of epic proportions. I'm going with the latter. Shall we highlight every thread that you start here that targets women and gays? Best you sit this one out, Karen. 1 1
Irv Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Irv said: Oh no red font. The horror. Ha. You're funny. I don't like your face. Both of them. What a mess. Nuke Gaza. 3 hours ago, BillStime said: Two faced? No, that's you. You only care about what you're told. Don't you f'n dare put words in MY MOUTH when your savior, King Jesus Trump, is blaming Jews for destroying America and dining with antisemites at Ped-o-Lago. Get the H out of here. What are you ***** Will Smith? You make me laugh. Thank you. Don't stroke out. Hilarious. What a mess. Edited December 15, 2023 by Irv 1
Pokebball Posted December 15, 2023 Posted December 15, 2023 Ben Sasse https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-moral-decline-of-elite-universities/ar-AA1lvRJo 1 1
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