Gabe Davis- Do you want him back and for how much $

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, mrags said:

So, to be clear. Out of all the guys in the league. You would rather have 9 guys than Davis. And push at 11. 
 

and my argument is that he’s easily top 50% of #2s in this league. And without looking, I’d imagine he’s got similar yards to at least half of them. And more TDs than most of them. And he was completely MIA for 4-5 games. 
 

I understand what you’re saying. I’m just saying, after all that, you could only come up with 9 guys that you absolutely would rather have than Davis. I would argue that when some of those guys contracts are up, Waddle, Higgins, Smith, Addison, they will all be paid like #1s and are likely considered #1s. 
 

Davis is not a bad #2. The problem is peoples expectations of what a #2 actually is. For the 9 number 2s that you pointed out I bet I could find at least 5+ number 1s that he’s clearly better than. 

I think we basically agree

 

I just think the top teams tend to have better options at that spot

 

As far as Davis' particular skillset and how it impact the offense goes 😂😂 that's a longer conversation 

[Mikie2times]

11 minutes ago, mrags said:

So, to be clear. Out of all the guys in the league. You would rather have 9 guys than Davis. And push at 11. 
 

and my argument is that he’s easily top 50% of #2s in this league. And without looking, I’d imagine he’s got similar yards to at least half of them. And more TDs than most of them. And he was completely MIA for 4-5 games. 
 

I understand what you’re saying. I’m just saying, after all that, you could only come up with 9 guys that you absolutely would rather have than Davis. I would argue that when some of those guys contracts are up, Waddle, Higgins, Smith, Addison, they will all be paid like #1s and are likely considered #1s. 
 

Davis is not a bad #2. The problem is peoples expectations of what a #2 actually is. For the 9 number 2s that you pointed out I bet I could find at least 5+ number 1s that he’s clearly better than. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/stat/receiving/table/receiving/sort/receivingYards/dir/desc

 

This is just total receiving yards on the year and I would be hard pressed to find anybody on that list I'm not taking over Gabe. It's about route running. We can't afford to have our #2 option only running routes downfield. Hell, Shakir is debatable as far as who you take. At least Shakir can run the full tree. Davis is a niche player for us which is why he can just be taken out of games. No thanks.  

[mrags]

14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I think we basically agree

 

I just think the top teams tend to have better options at that spot

 

As far as Davis' particular skillset and how it impact the offense goes 😂😂 that's a longer conversation 

Yes. I think the top. Super pass heavy teams. Usually the teams with 2 studs at WR have better options. But only until they become FAs. Like I mentioned. Out of those players you’ve mentioned. I doubt Higgins staying Cincy. He’ll be paid true #1 money elsewhere. When Waddle is up for contract he will get the same. Godwin is too old for that boat. So is Kirk but he already got that treatment years ago. Those teams got lucky by drafting studs and getting multiple players on team friendly, or rookie deals. It won’t last long. 
 

as far as Davis’ skill set. That depends on what you want out of a WR. But I’d guess that McConservative absolutely finds Davis’ skillset to be extremely important. He’s a good blocker. For a conservative run heavy team. Lol

11 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/stat/receiving/table/receiving/sort/receivingYards/dir/desc

 

This is just total receiving yards on the year and I would be hard pressed to find anybody on that list I'm not taking over Gabe. It's about route running. We can't afford to have our #2 option only running routes downfield. Hell, Shakir is debatable as far as who you take. At least Shakir can run the full tree. Davis is a niche player for us which is why he can just be taken out of games. No thanks.  

Ugh. Just stop. He’s 39th in the league in yards on that list. You do realize that each team has 2 starting WRs? You do realize that there’s 32 teams in the league? You do know that 32x2 is 64? So obviously he is in the midway point of #2s in the league. Even better than some #1s. Justin Jefferson is below him on that list so he must be better than Justin Jefferson right? 
 

and with all joking aside. He’s top 10 for TDs in the ENTIRE LEAGUE. You can’t ask for much more than that out of a #2 

[John from Riverside]

If you bring him back, then draft a wide receiver in the first round
 

With any kind of luck, the draft will push Gabe Davis to the third wr

[BearNorth]

Not sure in this day and age you can pay two top tier WR's & a top tier QB.  At least one of the WR's is going to have to be on a rookie contract. 

[Coach Tuesday]

That comp pick is looking juicy… 

[Jay_Fixit]

No. I don’t.

[Mikie2times]

10 hours ago, mrags said:

Yes. I think the top. Super pass heavy teams. Usually the teams with 2 studs at WR have better options. But only until they become FAs. Like I mentioned. Out of those players you’ve mentioned. I doubt Higgins staying Cincy. He’ll be paid true #1 money elsewhere. When Waddle is up for contract he will get the same. Godwin is too old for that boat. So is Kirk but he already got that treatment years ago. Those teams got lucky by drafting studs and getting multiple players on team friendly, or rookie deals. It won’t last long. 
 

as far as Davis’ skill set. That depends on what you want out of a WR. But I’d guess that McConservative absolutely finds Davis’ skillset to be extremely important. He’s a good blocker. For a conservative run heavy team. Lol

Ugh. Just stop. He’s 39th in the league in yards on that list. You do realize that each team has 2 starting WRs? You do realize that there’s 32 teams in the league? You do know that 32x2 is 64? So obviously he is in the midway point of #2s in the league. Even better than some #1s. Justin Jefferson is below him on that list so he must be better than Justin Jefferson right? 
 

and with all joking aside. He’s top 10 for TDs in the ENTIRE LEAGUE. You can’t ask for much more than that out of a #2 

Ughh, no dude. Just because his production rate is above league average for a #2 doesn’t mean he can run an in route. His ability to impact a game is measured more by his ability to threaten a defense which he can only do over the top and no, I don’t want my #2 WR to only be a vertical threat. Your analysis doesn’t factor in multiple things that are relevant. 

[mrags]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

Ughh, no dude. Just because his production rate is above league average for a #2 doesn’t mean he can run an in route. His ability to impact a game is measured more by his ability to threaten a defense which he can only do over the top and no, I don’t want my #2 WR to only be a vertical threat. Your analysis doesn’t factor in multiple things that are relevant. 

What IS RELEVANT, is that he’s got more TDs in the league than everyone but like 8 players at the position. In an argument, details matter. And the details are that Gabe is more effective and more important to this team than you think. 
 

with that being said, I still don’t want him back at the rate the HE WILL demand and receive from some team out there.  
 

merry Christmas 

[Mikie2times]

Just now, mrags said:

What IS RELEVANT, is that he’s got more TDs in the league than everyone but like 8 players at the position. In an argument, details matter. And the details are that Gabe is more effective and more important to this team than you think. 
 

with that being said, I still don’t want him back at the rate the HE WILL demand and receive from some team out there.  
 

merry Christmas 

All you’re measuring is production. He has the deepest average depth of target in the NFL. Which is because he can only run half the route tree. Which means he can only assist our offense in routes past 15 yards. Which makes our offense extremely inconsistent. This isn’t baseball. You can’t just look at a players stat line and not evaluate it as far as how it impacts the rest of the team. 

[Mr. WEO]

10 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

If you bring him back, then draft a wide receiver in the first round
 

With any kind of luck, the draft will push Gabe Davis to the third wr

 

Bills need someone to challenge for WR1 at this point....

[mrags]

5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

All you’re measuring is production. He has the deepest average depth of target in the NFL. Which is because he can only run half the route tree. Which means he can only assist our offense in routes past 15 yards. Which makes our offense extremely inconsistent. This isn’t baseball. You can’t just look at a players stat line and not evaluate it as far as how it impacts the rest of the team. 

K. Merry Christmas 

[TheWei44]

I'll reserve judgment until after the season - He's enigmatic for sure.  That said, at the right price, I'd lean toward keeping him on the team.  When he does contribute in obvious ways, it tends to be massive and game changing.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

The offense needs a speed WR2 to take the top off. Diggs, Kincaid, Cook, Knox work the underneath stuff.

Edited December 25, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[RunTheBall]

I don’t think anyone would have a problem keeping Gabe at the right price, but that’s the problem. He’s going to get premium WR2 money and I don’t think McBeane are going to pay that to a guy who disappears for 4 games at a time and has a limited skill set.

[BearNorth]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The offense needs a speed WR2 to take the top off. Diggs, Kincaid, Cook, Knox work the underneath stuff.

Don't forget Shakir, I think he can be Beasley 2.0.

[mrags]

13 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I don’t think anyone would have a problem keeping Gabe at the right price, but that’s the problem. He’s going to get premium WR2 money and I don’t think McBeane are going to pay that to a guy who disappears for 4 games at a time and has a limited skill set.

This. I’d bet Gabe earns top 3 money for all the FA WRs his season. Higgins and Evans will get more. And I don’t even know who else is available. But I bet he gets paid top 3. Definitely top 5. And let’s be real, Higgins is a 1. Evans is a 1. 

[BearNorth]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

This. I’d bet Gabe earns top 3 money for all the FA WRs his season. Higgins and Evans will get more. And I don’t even know who else is available. But I bet he gets paid top 3. Definitely top 5. And let’s be real, Higgins is a 1. Evans is a 1. 

Spotrac says he could get $13.5 AAV in Free Agency.  If he does that Diggs will probably have his agent speed dialing Beane.

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Don't forget Shakir, I think he can be Beasley 2.0.

Yeah, but it’s hard to be Beasley 2.0 sharing targets with Kincaid in the slot.

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Spotrac says he could get $13.5 AAV in Free Agency.  If he does that Diggs will probably have his agent speed dialing Beane.

 

I was figuring somewhere between 12-15m a year. Minimum.