Gabe's momma chimes in

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Idk, I don’t know why you’ve said all year.  I don’t read many of your posts.  
 

So did you say that you think Davis is a viable WR2?  You believe he’s a good enough WR to be our WR2 going forward?  
 

Do you hope he’s resigned?  If so, say you’re the GM, how much would you be comfortable paying him per season?

 

 

lol

 

anyway...

 

he needs more touches.  I would let him test the market.  Make him an offer.  With the boost in cap coming who cares.

 

The real issue is the production at WR1.  Look at the last 7 games and tell me that's value for the money with Diggs. Brady needs to tell Josh to move off Diggs some.  It's a problem.  

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Davis appeared in 88% of Offensive snaps, compared to 68% for Kincaid.

 

keep going...

 

 

I've said it all year.  He needs more targets.  Allen only sees Diggs at this point--and Diggs isn't producing.  Not at WR1 level. 

His time in the field has been decreasing and his opportunities are decreasing while Kincaid and Shakirs is rising. You can go on about your stats that make you believe you are smart as ***** but it doesn’t change that fact Gabe has been a very inconsistent player for us since getting promoted to #2 roll. Give it a break 

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, BananaB said:

His time in the field has been decreasing and his opportunities are decreasing while Kincaid and Shakirs is rising. You can go on about your stats that make you believe you are smart as ***** but it doesn’t change that fact Gabe has been a very inconsistent player for us since getting promoted to #2 roll. Give it a break 

 

 

his snap % is essentially the same as last year, despite Kincaid and Shakir.

 

You see...you've mentioned stats (incorrectly) in every post.  Now we have to forget about stats (they are Gabe's, not mine) because they all counter your inane point?  

 

your arguments are not compelling......and I'm being kind here

 

 

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

That's because he's 3 yards away

Maybe it’s because he’s catching over 80% of his targets. Same with Shakir who seems to be getting targeted more then Gabe the past  little bit, he’s catching over 80% as well. Since you so good with stats what is Gabes catch percentage again?

[BananaB]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

his snap % is essentially the same as last year, despite Kincaid and Shakir.

 

You see...you've mentioned stats (incorrectly) in every post.  Now we have to forget about stats (they are Gabe's, not mine) because they all counter your inane point?  

 

your arguments are not compelling......and I'm being kind here

 

 

Gabes inconsistent that’s my point. You keep looking at totals instead of looking at game to game production.  

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

lol

 

anyway...

 

he needs more touches.  I would let him test the market.  Make him an offer.  With the boost in cap coming who cares.

 

The real issue is the production at WR1.  Look at the last 7 games and tell me that's value for the money with Diggs. Brady needs to tell Josh to move off Diggs some.  It's a problem.  

Focusing on Diggs definitely looks be a problem for 17.  I’m disappointed and somewhat shocked at Diggs’ performance over the last few weeks.  Based on his previous 3 seasons of work, I believe he’s worthy of the focus.  He just hasn’t been up to the task recently.  
 

i also believe opposing defenses double and scheme to take Diggs out of the game because Gabe doesn’t scare anyone.  
 

i’d offer Gabe 4-5M on a one year deal thanks to his blocking ability and acclimation with the locker room.  His production is a product of Josh Allens greatness and opportunity.  Just being out there with 17 throwing the ball will make him more money than he’s worth.  
 

as a man, I’m a huge fan of Gabe Davis.   I appreciate his hard work and dedication to becoming the best he can be.  I thought he might’ve been viable wr2.  I don’t anymore.  

Edited December 13, 2023 by NewEra

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, NoSaint said:

yes, it’s easier to properly run a route than to expect a qb to see every open opportunity, progression and pressure be damned 

 

Right because there's no way Gabe ran the correct route in Philly and Josh made the mistake.

 

*AND Josh was moving to his left.   Had he gone through his progressions he would have seen Gabe wide open.  

Edited December 13, 2023 by Chicken Boo

[The Helmet of]

This is just sad. 

[Scott7975]

10 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

...two years later he started 11 games for a playoff team, three years later he made the pro bowl and became a second-team all-pro for an 8-9 team

 

You wanna do Zay Jones as well?  Two years after his Daddy called our QB out on the Twitters, he broke 500 yds on a 47 reception season, 3 years later on his 3rd team he broke 800 yds and started to look like he could play NFL football.

 

I mean... I don't wanna pay Davis 10-15 mil per year just to wait 6 more years for him to look competent.  Good on Zay Jones for becoming a mid receiver, but he wasn't good enough in his time here.  I'm also not looking for mid. Teller was just a numbers game and at the time was the odd man out.  For all the stories about 1 dude there are 10-20 DaRick Rodgers or Fosters out there.

9 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Mango, I lack all-22. 

 

If you have it, especially if you have the little moving diagram thing, can you look at what kind of pressure Josh had at the point where Davis was open and Josh threw?  In the televised view which shows Josh protected, then looks downfield, it's hard to see what was going on at the point where Josh had to decide.

 

I dont have the all 22. but you can see this play online.  By the time Josh threw, the pressure was there.  He could have hit Davis earlier though.  He stayed on Diggs too long IMO and thats why he didn't see Davis.  By the time Josh came off Diggs it was too late.

[Scott7975]

Too many people emphasize drops stat.  That stat requires a perfect ball to be dropped for it to be considered a drop.  Right in the numbers.  No reaching.  No leaving feet. Etc.  Davis has more drops than 3. An NFL WR is expected to catch more than just perfect throws.  Now, obviously not all his targets are catchable but there are way more than just the 3 drops.  Sometimes a WR needs to make a play too.  Not just one that hits him in the pretty spot.

 

The bigger problem right now is all the Diggs drops IMO though.

Edited December 13, 2023 by Scott7975

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

Do you think gabe is a viable WR2 for this team?

 

You didn't ask me but I want to answer anyways.  I do not think so.  I like Gabe.  I think he is decent. I also think NFL offenses are shifting to having more than 1/2.  Its more like 1/1 to be a really good offense.  This team needs better than Gabe.  I wouldn't mind keeping him on a cheaper deal as a #2 if we have a 1/1 as well.  They need to draft a WR high this year regardless of the defense needing a reload IMO.  Just look at Cinci this year.  They are still killing it without Burrow.  That isn't because their backup is great.  It's because their skill positions are.  If you want to be a consistent top offense then you need consistent top skill makers.  Gabe is not that.  I said the same thing last year too.

Edited December 13, 2023 by Scott7975

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, BananaB said:

Maybe it’s because he’s catching over 80% of his targets. Same with Shakir who seems to be getting targeted more then Gabe the past  little bit, he’s catching over 80% as well. Since you so good with stats what is Gabes catch percentage again?

 

8 hours ago, BananaB said:

Gabes inconsistent that’s my point. You keep looking at totals instead of looking at game to game production.  

 

Hard to make catches when you aren't getting targets.  Easy to make catches when you are running 4 yard outs.  Kincaid is a good receiver.  His route tree is nonexistent. His YPC is tiny because of this. He is also misused. So is Davis.  

 

7 hours ago, NewEra said:

Focusing on Diggs definitely looks be a problem for 17.  I’m disappointed and somewhat shocked at Diggs’ performance over the last few weeks.  Based on his previous 3 seasons of work, I believe he’s worthy of the focus.  He just hasn’t been up to the task recently.  
 

i also believe opposing defenses double and scheme to take Diggs out of the game because Gabe doesn’t scare anyone.  
 

i’d offer Gabe 4-5M on a one year deal thanks to his blocking ability and acclimation with the locker room.  His production is a product of Josh Allens greatness and opportunity.  Just being out there with 17 throwing the ball will make him more money than he’s worth.  
 

as a man, I’m a huge fan of Gabe Davis.   I appreciate his hard work and dedication to becoming the best he can be.  I thought he might’ve been viable wr2.  I don’t anymore.  

 

 

For the bolded, the last few games do not support this claim, obviously.   

 

And even if teams are doubling Diggs a lot (they aren't) than why would Allen continue to force him the ball?  Although this board loves to endlessly heap the same abuse on Davis over and over, Diggs is  a huge problem right now--more so than Davis.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

And even if teams are doubling Diggs a lot (they aren't) than why would Allen continue to force him the ball?  Although this board loves to endlessly heap the same abuse on Davis over and over, Diggs is  a huge problem right now--more so than Davis.

 

Our ppg average has risen nearly 10 ppg in our last 3 games.  We are beating defenses differently and once that shifts, we shift again.  It's not a huge problem unless you're individually box score scouting.  

 

Davis is a much more significant problem.  A Diggs skid doesn't mean he's a bigger problem when Davis has been shut out 3 of the last 5 games.

 

Davis provides one thing, an occasional deep chunk play.  Allen and Brady aren't going to him very often because they believe there are better options on each play.

He's not a twitchy guy that gets open, he has average hands, doesn't have good run after catch and for whatever reason, isn't on the same page as Allen a lot.  

 

Diggs is going to have his big games again soon.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

8 hours ago, NewEra said:

Focusing on Diggs definitely looks be a problem for 17.  I’m disappointed and somewhat shocked at Diggs’ performance over the last few weeks.  Based on his previous 3 seasons of work, I believe he’s worthy of the focus.  He just hasn’t been up to the task recently.  
 

i also believe opposing defenses double and scheme to take Diggs out of the game because Gabe doesn’t scare anyone.  
 

i’d offer Gabe 4-5M on a one year deal thanks to his blocking ability and acclimation with the locker room.  His production is a product of Josh Allens greatness and opportunity.  Just being out there with 17 throwing the ball will make him more money than he’s worth.  
 

as a man, I’m a huge fan of Gabe Davis.   I appreciate his hard work and dedication to becoming the best he can be.  I thought he might’ve been viable wr2.  I don’t anymore.  

We just need to let him walk.  Our 1st rounder, and I'm a big fan of moving up, needs to be WR.

[BananaB]

24 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Hard to make catches when you aren't getting targets.  Easy to make catches when you are running 4 yard outs.  Kincaid is a good receiver.  His route tree is nonexistent. His YPC is tiny because of this. He is also misused. So is Davis.  

 

 

 

For the bolded, the last few games do not support this claim, obviously.   

 

And even if teams are doubling Diggs a lot (they aren't) than why would Allen continue to force him the ball?  Although this board loves to endlessly heap the same abuse on Davis over and over, Diggs is  a huge problem right now--more so than Davis.

I give up. Your crush for Gabe blinding your vision

[pocoboy]

17 hours ago, Ben said:

Josh has lost confidence in him because he's too inconsistent. No one to blame but himself

 

I'm quite sure this play breaks down within a second of the snap. I don't know if it's a lack of OL conditioning, or poor technique, but they got gashed quick, and Josh bailed to a shorter throw because he was off his wrong foot on the throw.

 

With that said, I would hope that Allen gets a little flak in the video review, if the early reads indicate Gabe's gonna be wide open on that route, take the chance you get hit and deliver the dagger blow.

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, BananaB said:

I give up. Your crush for Gabe blinding your vision

Don’t give up!  This is so much fun!  Dude just likes to argue so much that his ego allows to to think gabe Davis is a viable WR2 and that Allen/Diggs are the bigger problem 😂 

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Trade him to the Jets?  Then mom will be busy fending off Zach, and too busy for social media? 🤔

Edited December 13, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Airseven]

Very well should’ve been back to back losses where Allen missed a wide open Davis in the clutch, settled for the FG, and handed the game back to the defense to give up the winning TD. It’s both understandably frustrating and quite a bizarre circumstance.

[RunTheBall]

 Davis is done. He won ‘t be back unless he takes a really team friendly deal. Someone will offer him bucks.

 

Josh has lost confidence in Davis and I think it’s easy to see why. When a large chunk of your interceptions come when targeting one guy I think that’s going to get into your head a little bit. Couple that with Davis’ inability to separate, his limited route tree, and his lack of contested catches you can understand why he’s #3 in most progressions. Brady has Kincaid as the #2 target, and rightly so. Davis may have a couple of good games left in him but I don’t expect to see his targets increase unless we play a team that Brady feels we can exploit with Gabe’s limited skill set.

 

On that missed TD against KC, I think if you asked Josh he’d absolutely take responsibility for missing a wide open guy. He should have hit him. So why didn’t he? I think it’s a few factors - 1) It wasn’t a designed play call, I think it was another screen to Diggs 2) Josh’s internal clock was sped up from all the pressure 3) Kincaid was 1 on 1 and Josh trusts him more in that situation 4) He just didn’t see him because Davis was later in the progression. Still, that’s a gimme TD Josh should have hit.

 

As for Diggs, that’s got me concerned. Something looks off. I remember a report a few weeks back of a back injury - is Diggs working through something? I can live with Davis getting a few targets a game but I think if we are going to go on a run we need our WR #1 to be heavily involved in the offense. I think Brady tried to get him the ball with those screens but Diggs has been dropping a lot. Idk it’s weird and hope it works itself out quick.