JA17 postgame on-field interview

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Yeah Josh is saying all the right things but he blinks out Morse Code for “Trade me” during this interview.  This is a sad day.

[Wags67]

I am guessing that this plays into why Josh is so good in interviews (from an article published on Jan 18, 2023):

 

WHEN HIS SONS were in elementary school, Joel would drive them to pee wee football games a half hour away. One day, Joel introduced a strange concept: He would pretend a game had just concluded and conduct an interview of Josh. Josh didn't understand the point at first, but Joel explained to him that he was going to be a great quarterback someday and have to do lots of interviews. Josh was 7 years old, but Joel saw a future No. 7 draft pick sitting in the back seat.

 

So he started asking Josh questions on the way to and from games. He even spoke into a pretend microphone as he drove the car. It was goofy at first, but Josh rolled with it for a while.

 

"Josh, heck of a game today. What do you have to say about your coaches? Any thoughts on the game today?" Joel would ask. Then he'd hand the fake mic into the back seat.

 

Josh would take it from his dad and say, "First of all, I want to thank my line for doing a great job today," and Joel would nod in approval as Josh talked about "the team effort" and "good play calling."

 

They did this on every drive for a long time, until finally one day Josh stopped talking in the middle of a sentence and handed the imaginary microphone back to the front seat. "That's enough, Dad," he said. "I know how to do interviews now."

Edited December 11, 2023 by Wags67

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

This has always been my issue with it. Nobody ever said McD isn’t a good person. I have no doubt in that. I do however have doubts about his in game decisions 

 

I don't want to turn this into Ty Dunne thread Part II, but over in that thread some of the quotes Dunne used absolutely rise to the level of questioning his qualities as a person - functionally describing McDermott in a way that's usually inconsistent with being a good person.  Part of being a good person is having a degree of empathy for others, and treating other people well. 

Some of the anonymous sources Dunne quoted described McDermott: "He has zero relationship with the offensive players. Zero. None. Absolutely zero. He’s insecure. He wants the relationship that he can’t have with the players. Because he’s not physically, mentally, or socially able to.”

 

58 minutes ago, mrags said:

You can be a me guy and a narcissist and still be a good human being. It just means you are looking out for your self and want to continue to keep your job. I have no doubt he is a good person. I do also believe he is a micromanaging narcissist. I can believe both 

Right. I wouldn’t expect much less out of an nfl head coach 

 

"Narcissist" has become a pop-psych buzzword for a spectrum that ranges from normal and healthy concern for one's own self-interest (like keeping your job) to extreme forms where people are self-absorbed to a pathological degree where they don't understand that other people's feelings exist, a  psychosocial disability. 
 

If you describe someone as not "physically, mentally, or socially" able to have relationships with players; insecure and jealous of people who do - IMO, you're describing them as having narcissism to the degree of it being a psychosocial disability incompatble with being a good person.

 

1 hour ago, boyst said:

That is speaking personally of McDermott as a human. Not a coach. 

 

Well, sure.  And at the risk of harping, when a coaching assistant Dunne anonymously quoted said that Mcdermott is "insecure" "jealous" and something to the effect of "mentally and psychologically incapable of having relationships with players", they were speaking of McDermott's traits as a person.   Were they not?

 

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Beck Water

[frostbitmic]

I heard that the official who threw the flag on the play said "I look down the line, if I can't see the football there's a problem."

[Jerome007]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

All Josh says is the right things, all the time. It's a testament to his parents. We are so unbelievably blessed to have him.

His dad had him to do mock interviews as a teen! Coaching him in media talk and leadership. Now that's planning ahead.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, JohnNord said:

The odd thing I saw online was that Wolfson and another reporter claimed they saw Toney check with the official before the ball was snapped to make sure he was onside.

 

They both later deleted that with zero explanation.  

 

That's because people with All-22, Cheffers speaking for the refs, and finally Reid and Toney himself acknowledge he did not check.

 

16 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

I heard that the official who threw the flag on the play said "I look down the line, if I can't see the football there's a problem."

 

Seems fair to me

Edited December 11, 2023 by Beck Water

[LeGOATski]

57 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Yeah Josh is saying all the right things but he blinks out Morse Code for “Trade me” during this interview.  This is a sad day.

I saw it too!

 

We're.....DOOMED

[mrags]

41 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I don't want to turn this into Ty Dunne thread Part II, but over in that thread some of the quotes Dunne used absolutely rise to the level of questioning his qualities as a person - functionally describing McDermott in a way that's usually inconsistent with being a good person.  Part of being a good person is having a degree of empathy for others, and treating other people well. 

Some of the anonymous sources Dunne quoted described McDermott: "He has zero relationship with the offensive players. Zero. None. Absolutely zero. He’s insecure. He wants the relationship that he can’t have with the players. Because he’s not physically, mentally, or socially able to.”

 

 

"Narcissist" has become a pop-psych buzzword for a spectrum that ranges from normal and healthy concern for one's own self-interest (like keeping your job) to extreme forms where people are self-absorbed to a pathological degree where they don't understand that other people's feelings exist, a  psychosocial disability. 
 

If you describe someone as not "physically, mentally, or socially" able to have relationships with players; insecure and jealous of people who do - IMO, you're describing them as having narcissism to the degree of it being a psychosocial disability incompatble with being a good person.

 

 

Well, sure.  And at the risk of harping, when a coaching assistant Dunne anonymously quoted said that Mcdermott is "insecure" "jealous" and something to the effect of "mentally and psychologically incapable of having relationships with players", they were speaking of McDermott's traits as a person.   Were they not?

 

 

Yeah I’m really going to get into the argument about what your opinions of narcissism are vs anyone else’s. It’s also your opinion of what what written by another persons views, and informed by other even other peoples opinions on someone. What was written, by someone, who heard from someone, and interpreted by someone are completely differing opinions. My PERSONAL opinion is that he is likely a good person but is a narcissistic, egomaniacal, micromanager. Almost all of which I see as good qualities in a head coach in this league. But within reason. 
 

that’s my opinion. You are welcome to yours. 

[msw2112]

3 hours ago, stevewin said:

I took it more as being purposely vague to not highlight and not give any more legs/credence to the specific 'issue'

 

Also, rather than trying to imply that McDermott was a bad play caller or bad game day manager, Allen's intent was to say "you can criticize him for what happens on the field, which is fair game, but don't question his character, which is not."

Edited December 11, 2023 by msw2112

[Eastport bills]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

All Josh says is the right things, all the time. It's a testament to his parents. We are so unbelievably blessed to have him.

Well said, the guy is easy to root for. We just have surround him with some studs on the O-line and a big time receiver who can spread the field.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

Did you also see the post-game presser he did, though?

Said something like "you can question coaching decisions, or my decision as a player, but you can't question coach McDermott as a person. He's one of the better humans on this planet".

 

 

Which was amusing because I havent seen anyone argue that he isnt a good person, just not a good Head Coach.

 

I think Josh's statement is to address this overblown 9/11 sympathizer stuff.

 

The rest of the article about being too tight and anxious and freezing up in the big moments, as well as the criticism for trying to neuter Josh, still stands.

[JohnNord]

17 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Which was amusing because I havent seen anyone argue that he isnt a good person, just not a good Head Coach.

 

I think Josh's statement is to address this overblown 9/11 sympathizer stuff.

 

The rest of the article about being too tight and anxious and freezing up in the big moments, as well as the criticism for trying to neuter Josh, still stands.

From Tim Graham…his character was 100% put in question:

 

Independent sportswriter Tyler Dunne, a former Bills beat reporter based in Western New York, published a three-part series called “The McDermott Problem.” Dunne’s analysis, heavily leaning on anonymous sources, called McDermott’s tenure “seven years of torture” and stated Buffalo’s coach is an incompetent fraud with pitiful communication skills, a choke artist who must be fired if Buffalo wants to maximize Josh Allen and win a Super Bowl.
 

Doesn't sound like “seven years of torture” is a shot at his character eh?

[JerseyBills]

3 hours ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

 

Given a chance to back his coach on national TV when Tracy Wolfson teed up the "what did this team show after the tumultuous week you guys had to deal with?" question, Josh instead was all about how the players "rallied behind each other, played for each other".

 

Probably reading too much into it, but still...

 

 

Disagree. if she specifically asked about McD he would've mentioned it but didn't see any reason for him to mention McD there. The Von situation happened also, I think his response was perfect 

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

From Tim Graham…his character was 100% put in question:

 

Independent sportswriter Tyler Dunne, a former Bills beat reporter based in Western New York, published a three-part series called “The McDermott Problem.” Dunne’s analysis, heavily leaning on anonymous sources, called McDermott’s tenure “seven years of torture” and stated Buffalo’s coach is an incompetent fraud with pitiful communication skills, a choke artist who must be fired if Buffalo wants to maximize Josh Allen and win a Super Bowl.
 

Doesn't sound like “seven years of torture” is a shot at his character eh?

Saying someone is not a good head coach is not a referendum on their 'character'

[Logic]

29 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Which was amusing because I havent seen anyone argue that he isnt a good person, just not a good Head Coach.

 

I think Josh's statement is to address this overblown 9/11 sympathizer stuff.

 

The rest of the article about being too tight and anxious and freezing up in the big moments, as well as the criticism for trying to neuter Josh, still stands.

 

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Saying someone is not a good head coach is not a referendum on their 'character'

Among other things, Dunne's article painted Sean McDermott as jealous of his assistant coaches, a narcissist, a liar, and someone who refuses to take accountability.

Those things together do constitute a bit of an attack on his character, in my opinion.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

 

Among other things, Dunne's article painted Sean McDermott as jealous of his assistant coaches, a narcissist, a liar, and someone who refuses to take accountability.

Those things together do constitute a bit of an attack on his character, in my opinion.

If the examples cited didn't directly pertain to his abilities as a coach I would agree 

[DrDawkinstein]

21 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

From Tim Graham…his character was 100% put in question:

 

Independent sportswriter Tyler Dunne, a former Bills beat reporter based in Western New York, published a three-part series called “The McDermott Problem.” Dunne’s analysis, heavily leaning on anonymous sources, called McDermott’s tenure “seven years of torture” and stated Buffalo’s coach is an incompetent fraud with pitiful communication skills, a choke artist who must be fired if Buffalo wants to maximize Josh Allen and win a Super Bowl.
 

Doesn't sound like “seven years of torture” is a shot at his character eh?

 

That's Tim Graham's Bills-centric interpretation.

 

11 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

Among other things, Dunne's article painted Sean McDermott as jealous of his assistant coaches, a narcissist, a liar, and someone who refuses to take accountability.

Those things together do constitute a bit of an attack on his character, in my opinion.

 

Those are all about how he coaches and treats direct employees. He may not be a good boss or head football coach. Dunne never said he's a bad guy, mean to strangers, lies to his family, etc.

 

I have a HORRIBLE VP in charge of our department right now. She's a nice enough lady and we have even have some mutual friends. I know she's a great mom who has raised nice, honest kids. But she's horrible at work where office politics come into play.

 

Same thing.

[JohnNord]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That's Tim Graham's Bills-centric interpretation.

 

 

Those are all about how he coaches and treats direct employees. He may not be a good boss or head football coach. Dunne never said he's a bad guy, mean to strangers, lies to his family, etc.

 

I have a HORRIBLE VP in charge of our department right now. She's a nice enough lady and we have even have some mutual friends. I know she's a great mom who has raised nice, honest kids. But she's horrible at work where office politics come into play.

 

Same thing.

I have to disagree with you.  If you read those article, your takeaway is that McDermott is a controlling, narcissistic jerk, and you’d think everyone is miserable.  How is this not a reflection of McDermott’s character?  

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, JohnNord said:

I have to disagree with you.  If you read those article, your takeaway is that McDermott is a controlling, narcissistic jerk, and you’d think everyone is miserable.  How is this not a reflection of McDermott’s character?  

 

Because after years of taking Leadership trainings and assessments which delineate between our At-Work personalities vs our "real" personalities, I know how to separate stuff that happens at work and not take it personally.

 

I read the articles. That wasnt MY takeaway. But I'm more focused on him as a coach, and not judging him as a person anyways.

[Playoffs?]

Watching this interview makes me realize what a freakin baby Mahomes is. Josh is the farthest thing from a “me” guy.  He would never have responded the way Patty did last night. I get that Mahomes is great… but any respect I had for him is gone, and my appreciation for Josh only grew.