Would this be the week to give Elam a chance.

[Freddie's Dead]

Elam is done here.  The McDummy doghouse is Hotel California, you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.  Barring injury, he doesn't see the field again in a Bills uni.  Oh wait, there was an injury, and McBeane went out and got Rasul Douglas....

[Solomon Grundy]

17 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Cam Lewis has NO BUSINESS on a NFL roster!! 

Well luckily Toney has big feet because he would have been part of "the lateral part 2" as well as the "knock the damn ball down" Justin Jefferson plays

[Dopey]

19 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Wow, that was nasty. In any event, my compliments for living up to your well deserved screen name! 👍👌

Nasty!?! Yeah, calling someone a lapdog is so classy. NYC classy, I guess. 
By the way, you’re not the first one to use the juvenile “screen name “ bit. I expect it when someone is called out and has nothing else to say. Good job. 

[Bill from NYC]

On 12/12/2023 at 1:09 PM, FireChans said:

As a Bama fan, it’s criminal that @Bill from NYC forgets that one of the best players on Bama is their five star CB Kool Aid McKinstry. 
 

Of course, Saban should have never offered him a scholarship. Because of Leodis McKelvin, or something. 

McKinstry is good, perhaps very good but he isn't even the best DB on the team.  Seriously, there are two if not 3 better starters, and a few backups that look excellent. More on this before the draft.

 

And yes, their secondary is stacked, but as good and deep as they are, their lives are made much easier by the improvement in their DL and the skill and once again depth of their LBs. 

 

I have read your posts. You know that football is now an offensive sport. Most games used to be determined by running and stopping the run. Those days are gone. Now passing wins games. We have a GREAT quarterback. Did you see that flat footed 35 yard pass against KC? Josh is a freak. He needs more and better receivers and blocking. Teams are able to draft safeties and zone corners in later rounds. You don't need Deon Sanders or Mel Blount to play in a zone. 

 

Anyway, I think it is clear that passing, pass protection, and pass rush on defense are the keys to winning these days. And the Bills backups seem to be doing  pretty well. I don't think the secondaryshould be neglected, but; making it your primary focus is a sure way to make your team a loser. 

 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Bill from NYC

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

Nasty!?! Yeah, calling someone a lapdog is so classy. NYC classy, I guess. 
By the way, you’re not the first one to use the juvenile “screen name “ bit. I expect it when someone is called out and has nothing else to say. Good job. 

I didn't call YOU a lapdog. Either way, I do hope that you are able to calm down at some point. Perhaps a jog around the block if the weather holds up? 

 

Since we used the word "block," you might want to consider using that function on my posts. C'mon, neither of us would be missing much, wouldn't you say?

 

In any event, do be well. No hard feelings on this end.

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

I didn't call YOU a lapdog. Either way, I do hope that you are able to calm down at some point. Perhaps a jog around the block if the weather holds up? 

 

Since we used the word "block," you might want to consider using that function on my posts. C'mon, neither of us would be missing much, wouldn't you say?

 

In any event, do be well. No hard feelings on this end.

I realize who you were calling a lap dog. Never said it was me you were referring to. 😂

I called someone out for name calling by someone who brought up class. 

This place is fun, I don’t block idiotic post or posters. You’re welcome to though. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

He’s a “break glass in case of emergency” guy at this point if healthy. He’ll get one more chance to show what he’s got in next seasons camp. If that fails, he’ll forever be enshrined in the Bills “Busts of Honor” gallery 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

McKinstry is good, perhaps very good but he isn't even the best DB on the team.  Seriously, there are two if not 3 better starters, and a few backups that look excellent. More on this before the draft.

 

And yes, their secondary is stacked, but as good and deep as they are, their lives are made much easier by the improvement in their DL and the skill and once again depth of their LBs. 

 

I have read your posts. You know that football is now and offensive sport. Most games used to be determined by running and stopping the run. Those days are gone. Now passing wins games. We have a GREAT quarterback. Did you see that flat footed 35 yard pass against KC? Josh is a freak. He needs more and better receivers and blocking. Teams are able to draft safeties and zone corners in later rounds. You don't need Deon Sanders or Mel Blount to play in a zone. 

 

Anyway, I think it is clear that passing, pass protection, and pass rush on defense are the keys to winning these days. And the Bills backups seem to be doing  pretty well. I don't think the secondaryshould be neglected, but; making it your primary focus is a sure way to make your team a loser. 

 

I think it’s fair to value QB’s, pass rushers, pass catchers and LT’s above DB’s, when it comes to first round value. 
 

I don’t think it’s fair to treat drafting a CB in the late first round like we keep drafting running backs, punters or safeties.

 

if they truly weren’t that valuable, they wouldn’t be the third or fourth highest paid position group league-wide. And they wouldn’t be constantly drafted in the first round.  Do you disagree with that? 

[Drew21PA]

If he’s never active on a roster I root for again I’d be satisfied 

 

how you watched him this year and want him out there again is beyond me

[Bill from NYC]

7 hours ago, FireChans said:

I think it’s fair to value QB’s, pass rushers, pass catchers and LT’s above DB’s, when it comes to first round value. 
 

I don’t think it’s fair to treat drafting a CB in the late first round like we keep drafting running backs, punters or safeties.

 

if they truly weren’t that valuable, they wouldn’t be the third or fourth highest paid position group league-wide. And they wouldn’t be constantly drafted in the first round.  Do you disagree with that? 

I do not, although I did read somewhere that their salaries have been decreasing as of late. I don't remember where. 

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I do not, although I did read somewhere that their salaries have been decreasing as of late. I don't remember where. 

2017:

6 CB's in the first round

 

2018:

3 CB's

 

2019:

1 CB

 

2020:

6 CB's

 

2021:

0 CB's

 

2022:

4 CB's

 

2023:

1 CB

 

Now, with all of those numbers, and the Bills only having made two of those 21 first round picks, I think we can all agree that the fascination of the first round CB selection is not some unique Bills Marvy Levy Dick Jauron voodoo.

 

[Bill from NYC]

12 hours ago, FireChans said:

2017:

6 CB's in the first round

 

2018:

3 CB's

 

2019:

1 CB

 

2020:

6 CB's

 

2021:

0 CB's

 

2022:

4 CB's

 

2023:

1 CB

 

Now, with all of those numbers, and the Bills only having made two of those 21 first round picks, I think we can all agree that the fascination of the first round CB selection is not some unique Bills Marvy Levy Dick Jauron voodoo.

 

Ok but I will speculate that most, if not all of these teams took care of more pressing needs first, unlike McDermott who upon his arrival in Buffalo

traded away the #10 pick to KC (who took Mahomes). Do you think that trading down from the Mahomes pick when we were in need of a quarterback was a smart move? To illustrate just how bad the need was  at the time, our QBs were Tyrod Taylor, Cardale Jones, and EJ Manuel. McDermott moved down 17 spots. His compensation? The #27 picks of rounds 1 and 3.  I make the case that we were inadequately compensated for this idiotic trade.

Can we agree on this? Since then McDermott's drafts have focused mostly on defense, to include trading up for a middle linebacker. Not good strategy imo. 

 

So, what are McDermott's assets/strengths? Drafting? Free agent signings? Trades (getting Josh was GREAT). What other trades were good? Two minute drills? I think not. 

 

If you like him, that's great. Obviously, every fan is entitled to do so. Of course, every fan is also entitled to be less than thrilled with the way that he runs this team. 

 

I'll tell ya what, if McDermott can overcome his annual midseason slump and win us a title, I will happily join his cheering section, complete with yelling "Sis Boom Bah." the whole deal. I hope to be doing so.

 

Seriously, thanks for the dialogue! I do appreciate it.  👍🏈

[GunnerBill]

15 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I do not, although I did read somewhere that their salaries have been decreasing as of late. I don't remember where. 

 

They haven't been decreasing. They have been overtaken by offensive tackle in terms of average (among starters). But it is still a premium payment position. 

 

1. Quarterback

2. Wide Receiver

3. Edge Rusher

4. Offensive Tackle

5. Corner

 

They are the 5 premium payment positions.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

30 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Seriously, thanks for the dialogue! I do appreciate it.  👍🏈

That 🏈 is the exclusive property of 

📯🌟MJ🏈10🌟📯   ™️®️©️,

and his attorneys will have to ask you to cease and desist using it.

 

[GunnerBill]

32 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

 

So, what are McDermott's assets/strengths? Drafting? Free agent signings? Trades (getting Josh was GREAT). What other trades were good? 

 

Other than in 2017 those tasks have not been his job. 

 

But I'd submit that Brandon Beane made a pretty good trade for Stefon Diggs. 

13 hours ago, FireChans said:

2017:

6 CB's in the first round

 

2018:

3 CB's

 

2019:

1 CB

 

2020:

6 CB's

 

2021:

0 CB's

 

2022:

4 CB's

 

2023:

1 CB

 

Now, with all of those numbers, and the Bills only having made two of those 21 first round picks, I think we can all agree that the fascination of the first round CB selection is not some unique Bills Marvy Levy Dick Jauron voodoo.

 

 

 

Your numbers are off (low). There were 4 in 2023 - Witherspoon, Gonzalez, Forbes and Banks and there were at least two in 2021 from memory - Surtain who is an elite corner and Greg Newsome. There may have been one more too but struggling to recall.  

 

[The Wiz]

Interesting to see this.

 

https://www.niagara-gazette.com/sports/bills-notebook-kaiir-elam-details-how-much-ligament-tear-impacted-early-season-performance/article_d129caa0-99fb-11ee-9de3-b7446efebf19.html

 

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They haven't been decreasing. They have been overtaken by offensive tackle in terms of average (among starters). But it is still a premium payment position. 

 

1. Quarterback

2. Wide Receiver

3. Edge Rusher

4. Offensive Tackle

5. Corner

 

They are the 5 premium payment positions.

When you say "edge rusher," are you combining DEs and OLB's?  If so this would place CB at 6, no?

 

Either way, this would put the CB position ahead of Safety, ILB, Centers, Guards, and DT. Sounds like middle of the pack from where I sit. 

 

Is CB the position that you want the Bills to be built around? They seem to be doing OK with later round picks playing in their zone. Do you insist on more first rounders?

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Ok but I will speculate that most, if not all of these teams took care of more pressing needs first, unlike McDermott who upon his arrival in Buffalo

traded away the #10 pick to KC (who took Mahomes). Do you think that trading down from the Mahomes pick when we were in need of a quarterback was a smart move? To illustrate just how bad the need was  at the time, our QBs were Tyrod Taylor, Cardale Jones, and EJ Manuel. McDermott moved down 17 spots. His compensation? The #27 picks of rounds 1 and 3.  I make the case that we were inadequately compensated for this idiotic trade.

Can we agree on this? Since then McDermott's drafts have focused mostly on defense, to include trading up for a middle linebacker. Not good strategy imo. 

 

So, what are McDermott's assets/strengths? Drafting? Free agent signings? Trades (getting Josh was GREAT). What other trades were good? Two minute drills? I think not. 

 

If you like him, that's great. Obviously, every fan is entitled to do so. Of course, every fan is also entitled to be less than thrilled with the way that he runs this team. 

 

I'll tell ya what, if McDermott can overcome his annual midseason slump and win us a title, I will happily join his cheering section, complete with yelling "Sis Boom Bah." the whole deal. I hope to be doing so.

 

Seriously, thanks for the dialogue! I do appreciate it.  👍🏈

Your speculation is wrong.
 

in 2017, the Saints had a declining Drew Brees when they took Lattimore. The Raiders had Derek Carr, a guy who at best, is just at the line of not good enough. Titans took Jackson and they were still trying to figure out what Mariota was.

 

I can do this forever.

I think Tre White over Mahomes was a gaffe. Don’t get me wrong. I just don’t think it’s some conspiracy to over draft CB’s. I think McD and co. didn’t want to pull the trigger on a QB when they had only Whaley info to base it off of. Not unreasonable, despite still being a mistake.

 

You want to talk strengths? McD’s system turned Poyer and Hyde, fringe solid FA’s into two of the best safeties in the NFL. McD took a fifth round pick in Milano and made him a star. He wrung every drop of production out of bums and UDFA in Levi Wallace and EJ Gaines, got a guy like Christian Benford to execute his system. 
 

His greatest strength is his DB room. No wonder you don’t like him lol

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Other than in 2017 those tasks have not been his job. 

 

But I'd submit that Brandon Beane made a pretty good trade for Stefon Diggs. 

 

 

Your numbers are off (low). There were 4 in 2023 - Witherspoon, Gonzalez, Forbes and Banks and there were at least two in 2021 from memory - Surtain who is an elite corner and Greg Newsome. There may have been one more too but struggling to recall.  

 

PFR is annoying and lists them as DB just to screw with me

[Bill from NYC]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I think Tre White over Mahomes was a gaffe. Don’t get me wrong. I just don’t think it’s some conspiracy to over draft CB’s. I think McD and co. didn’t want to pull the trigger on a QB when they had only Whaley info to base it off of. Not unreasonable, despite still being a mistake.

 

You want to talk strengths? McD’s system turned Poyer and Hyde, fringe solid FA’s into two of the best safeties in the NFL. McD took a fifth round pick in Milano and made him a star. He wrung every drop of production out of bums and UDFA in Levi Wallace and EJ Gaines, got a guy like Christian Benford to execute his system. 
 

 

Not taking Mahomes was (imo) inexcusable. He was even drastically undercompensated for trading down 17 spots. It was a sophmoric move and I'm being kind.

 

The strengths you list are commendable no doubt. I also hold them as proof that in his zone defensive system, first round corners need not be a priority. He actually went for some offense last year in the draft. Let's see what he does in 24.

 

Providing Josh with receivers and blocking would be pretty cool, rather than trading up for ILBs and corners, no?

[FireChans]

13 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Not taking Mahomes was (imo) inexcusable. He was even drastically undercompensated for trading down 17 spots. It was a sophmoric move and I'm being kind.

 

The strengths you list are commendable no doubt. I also hold them as proof that in his zone defensive system, first round corners need not be a priority. He actually went for some offense last year in the draft. Let's see what he does in 24.

 

Providing Josh with receivers and blocking would be pretty cool, rather than trading up for ILBs and corners, no?

Josh has blocking. They may want to draft an OT relatively high to prepare for life after Dawkins, or a C for life after Morse, but there is not a glaring need on OL imo.

 

WR is number one priority. Should have been #1 priority last year too. They tried to skimp with Harty and Sherfield and it was a predictable disaster. By the same token, if they have a stud OT, or stud CB or even EDGE player waiting around their 1st pick, and the WR value isn’t there, I won’t kill them for targeting a better player. 

 

1 WR taken in the top 4 rounds since 2018 is criminal. No doubt about it. But 1 CB taken in the top 4 rounds since 2018 is not criminal, based on positional value alone. That’s pretty much my point.