The "McDermott Handicap" and hopefully a solution

[section122]

  On 12/11/2023 at 3:12 PM, Don Otreply said:

It’s as if you didn’t read my post? I acknowledged that the D closed out the game with the second chance they got, which was all within the rules of the game, some here seem to pretend that the penalty on KC had zero bearing on the outcome. Likely just a misunderstanding between our posts intent, it’s all good, we won, that’s what counts. 
 

GO BILLS!!!

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It was indeed a misunderstanding I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or not.  No worries!

 

As you said, the d closed out a game (finally!) and I think they should get their due.  Not an asinine thread about the "McD handicap" (the coach with the best win % in team history) so perhaps I was a little sensitive lol.

[Royale with Cheese]

  On 12/11/2023 at 12:58 PM, section122 said:

Even when he wins....

 

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On the road at the Super Bowl champs house in front of a national audience.

 

I don’t like a lot of things about McDermott but some people are just vile towards him.  Its such a childish act.

[Big Turk]

  On 12/11/2023 at 3:44 PM, peterpan said:

Im speaking specifically to how well they [didnt] work in this game.  Not how well they may have worked in other games.  

 

Thats kinda my point.  McD needs to get a feel for the game, each game is different.  Sometimes Diggs is unstoppable.  Sometimes he is a ghost.  Sometimes we cant run the ball, other times our running game is the best option.  

 

McD/the staff should have known the screens were blown up a few times earlier in the game, and not tried the square peg round hole thing.

Maybe in some tough decisions.  But 1st and 10 at the 25 with 2:13 left and to not call a single running play?  Thats like pop warner leveling DUH!!!

 

 

MCD is so awkward, he seemingly cant differentiate between different in game scenarios.  "Last week vrs Philly i wasn't aggressive and we lost.  this week I be aggressive and win!!"  when the situations dont call for the same football. 

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Did you ever consider the plays are being run to set up something like this later in the game?  As I said...most fans don't even know what they don't know. That is about as open as you'll ever be in the NFL. Precisely because the entire D bit on the screen to Diggs they had run multiple times prior.  An extra split second and that is a TD...

 

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Big Turk

[Royale with Cheese]

  On 12/11/2023 at 4:50 PM, Big Turk said:

 

Did you ever consider the plays are being run to set up something like this later in the game?  As I said...most fans don't even know what they don't know. That is about as open as you'll ever be in the NFL. Precisely because the entire D bit on the screen to Diggs they had run multiple times prior.  An extra split second and that is a TD...

 

 

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100%.  They don't have a clue and then determine what was wrong lol.

 

I knew this play was coming but didn't know when we missed it because we are watching the broadcast view.

Very similar to our first TD to Davis against the Dolphins.

[GoBills808]

  On 12/11/2023 at 4:58 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

100%.  They don't have a clue and then determine what was wrong lol.

 

I knew this play was coming but didn't know when we missed it because we are watching the broadcast view.

Very similar to our first TD to Davis against the Dolphins.

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if you didn't see how open davis was on broadcast them cutting to him throwing a temper tantrum on the sideline should have been an indication lol

[Royale with Cheese]

  On 12/11/2023 at 5:02 PM, GoBills808 said:

if you didn't see how open davis was on broadcast them cutting to him throwing a temper tantrum on the sideline should have been an indication lol

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I followed where Allen threw the ball.  I didn't see the cutting to Davis because I was helping my son with his homework and would take my eyes off the screen when the play was over.  

[GoBills808]

  On 12/11/2023 at 5:05 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I followed where Allen threw the ball.  I didn't see the cutting to Davis because I was helping my son with his homework and would take my eyes off the screen when the play was over.  

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slacker

[Royale with Cheese]

  On 12/11/2023 at 5:06 PM, GoBills808 said:

slacker

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Did you know that the snow that used in Wizard of Oz was asbestos?  

[GoBills808]

  On 12/11/2023 at 5:08 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Did you know that the snow that used in Wizard of Oz was asbestos?  

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i didnt know theatre class gave homework

[Royale with Cheese]

  On 12/11/2023 at 5:09 PM, GoBills808 said:

i didnt know theatre class gave homework

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Did I ever tell you I once auditioned for a McDonald's and Wrigley's gum commercial?  I didn't get it, or even a call back but I was there.

[Augie]

  On 12/11/2023 at 12:58 PM, section122 said:

Even when he wins....

 

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I can’t take the name callers seriously. It feels like elementary school around here with some folks. 

[Einstein]

  On 12/11/2023 at 4:50 PM, Big Turk said:

 

Did you ever consider the plays are being run to set up something like this later in the game?  As I said...most fans don't even know what they don't know. That is about as open as you'll ever be in the NFL. Precisely because the entire D bit on the screen to Diggs they had run multiple times prior.  An extra split second and that is a TD...

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I’m skeptical.

 

If they were setting that up all game, why did Allen never look his direction.

[GoBills808]

  On 12/11/2023 at 5:11 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Did I ever tell you I once auditioned for a McDonald's and Wrigley's gum commercial?  I didn't get it, or even a call back but I was there.

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i believe you, thats very impressive

[The Firebaugh Kid]

We were going insane watching it....after the illegal contact/first down with just over 2 minutes left, they called three straight pass plays. If they end up losing I think that sequence is used to validate the firing of Sean McDermott. You have to force the other team to use their timeouts while simultaneously moving the ball and trying to get the first downs. 

[LABILLBACKER]

  On 12/11/2023 at 5:08 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Did you know that the snow that used in Wizard of Oz was asbestos?  

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That's why the Emerald City had a dome.

[Einstein]

  On 12/11/2023 at 4:42 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

On the road at the Super Bowl champs house in front of a national audience.

 

I don’t like a lot of things about McDermott but some people are just vile towards him.  Its such a childish act.

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The McD hate is out of control.

 

That being said, it’s hard not to consider that the only reason his defense didn’t fail AGAIN in crunch time is because the opponent lined up incorrectly.

 

I’ve been having a hard time today reconciling that with the glee of the win.

[DCofNC]

  On 12/11/2023 at 1:37 PM, Dopey said:

That first pass was a short screen pass right in the hands of Diggs. He just dropped it. Blame him, if anyone. He catches a short screen pass and we get to the 2 minute warning. After a while some of you HAVE to realize players are making mistakes. It’s so lazy to keep blaming coaches and give players a pass. 

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As a coach, it’s your job to put the players in the best position to succeed, by throwing the ball, you know, any thing that doesn’t go right, you out the team in a hole by not getting to the 2 minute warning.  If you are going to go for a pass there, it needs to be to take advantage of the Chiefs having everyone in the middle of the field, punish them and go for the end zone.  Going for an extended handoff is not smart.  That’s on Brady.  At very least they should have run the ball outside with Cook and hope for something to happen, let it get to 2 mins OR force KC to waste a time out.  They accomplished none of it and THEN ran two more passing plays, unit less than 20 seconds of clock, giving KC the ball back with entirely too much time.  This was poor game management and if you can’t see it, there’s really no hope for you.

[peterpan]

  On 12/11/2023 at 4:50 PM, Big Turk said:

 

Did you ever consider the plays are being run to set up something like this later in the game?  As I said...most fans don't even know what they don't know. That is about as open as you'll ever be in the NFL. Precisely because the entire D bit on the screen to Diggs they had run multiple times prior.  An extra split second and that is a TD...

 

 

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Yes I was well aware of the fake they ran.  And it was surprising considering how hard the Chiefs had been crashing on the screen all game.

 

I also am well aware that josh has the option to hand it inside to cook on those plays and did that throughout the game too.  

 

And all things considered I still think it was a stupid risky call in this game at that time.  

So no one else has put up what their guess at the MCd Handicap number should be?  -2.5?? Anyone? Bueller?

 

[section122]

  On 12/11/2023 at 5:18 PM, Augie said:

 

I can’t take the name callers seriously. It feels like elementary school around here with some folks. 

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The worst is that they think they are so clever.  Thank you for putting into words exactly what has bothered me about it, it is so childish.  What adult calls someone names?

 

  On 12/11/2023 at 6:05 PM, Einstein said:

 

The McD hate is out of control.

 

That being said, it’s hard not to consider that the only reason his defense didn’t fail AGAIN in crunch time is because the opponent lined up incorrectly.

 

I’ve been having a hard time today reconciling that with the glee of the win.

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Well that and it was an illegal pick play that wasn't called.  

 

I do understand your trepidation though.  The Bills survived this one and sometimes that's all it is.  Think about before the game with the hand wringing that the Bills couldn't win 1 score games, the d couldn't make a stop. The Bills always do something stupid in crunch time. Etc...

 

That penalty didn't happen on 4th down.  The Bills won a 1 score game on the road in a huge spot against the super bowl champs.  This wasn't getting away with 1 like the Giants game.  The defense earned that stop.  The opposition did something stupid and it cost them.  Hopefully you can enjoy that part of it! 

[section122]

  On 12/11/2023 at 6:19 PM, peterpan said:

So no one else has put up what their guess at the MCd Handicap number should be?  -2.5?? Anyone? Bueller?

 

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McD has the 23rd best winning percentage as a HC of all time.  If you limit it to people who coached at least 100 games or in the Super Bowl era he moves to 17th best win % for both of those demarcations.

 

He has the 5th best win % of current NFL coaches.

 

He isn't perfect but no HC is. 

 

There is no handicap with him as HC.