Bills @ Chiefs Postgame Thread

[LABILLBACKER]

6 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I agree that was a very solid call at the time.

My only beef was that they had already run it for nothing about 4-5 times throughout the game, so the Chiefs were attacking it before the ball was even out of Allen's hand.

You keep that in your pocket and don't get it out til you really want it and it likely works a lot better.

 

 

Exactly,  other than maybe once, that wr screen didn't work all day. It works great in college but NFL dbs are just too fast for it to work consistently. 

[ToGoGo]

14 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I don't think you or the guy you are responding to understand what they were trying to do.  With 2:12 left Brady felt KC would be stuffing the line for the run, he called an incredibly save pass play to one of our better steadier playmakers, Diggs.   95% of times that is caught.  65% of the time in that instance Diggs would have gained about 7-8 yards and the clock would have gone to 2:00.  From there we would have run the ball to try and pick up the 1st.  If successful then the we would have played the time game.

 

Once that high percentage passed was dropped the whole complexion of the end of game strategy changed.  Brady wanted the TD.  KC was going to have time either way.  The TD attempts were more valuable than the difference in amount of time KC would have.

 

 

Very good post. 

[Einstein's Dog]

6 minutes ago, Sestak4ever said:

That's a lot of if's and maybe's. I'm sure what they were trying to do, but there are many times that coaches outsmart themselves. Would make a ton more sense to run the ball and even if it doesn't gain yardage, either KC spends a timeout or you run it down to the 2 minute mark. Atlanta lost a Super Bowl trying to be too smart.

So, you wanted them to get incredibly conservative with over 2 minutes left in a tied game.  That's one approach.

[Comebackkid]

7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Crazy enough, the "QB" of the Homerun Throwback, Frank Wycheck, just passed away yesterday at 52.

 

 

Maybe he reached down and gave Toney a little push forward as he was lining up, to get us back for getting one over on us with a forward lateral.

Damn he was young.   

[Boatdrinks]

3 hours ago, PauleeeWalnuts said:

For at least three years is what I heard in the radio the other day 

Not quite. The potential is there but it doesn’t look like the Bills will unite hold up their end of the deal. It’s worked out the way it has ( all games at KC) because the Bills and Chiefs finished in the same respective place in their divisions. It’s not looking too likely that the Chiefs and Bills will do this in 2023 ( it could still happen just doesn’t seem likely). That would currently mean the Bills wouldn’t play the Chiefs in 2024 and would get Denver instead. Still 4 games to go, so this could change. 

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Exactly,  other than maybe once, that wr screen didn't work all day. It works great in college but NFL dbs are just too fast for it to work consistently. 

We don’t have WRs who can pick up YAC on that play anyway.  It’s a total waste.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I don't fault the call on the first down with 2:12 to play.  99% of the time that is a catch and a few yards.  If Diggs catches that ball and gets four or five yards it sets up a couple of runs on 2nd and third down that use up KC timeouts and maybe gets them the first down so they can kick the FG to win.

The second down throw was the killer. That has to be a run to get to the 2 min warning. 

[Einstein's Dog]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Exactly,  other than maybe once, that wr screen didn't work all day. It works great in college but NFL dbs are just too fast for it to work consistently. 

It may not have worked.   But it seemed like a reasonable call.  A very safe pass with a high reception percentage to a veteran trusted player.  Might not have given them a lot of yards but reasonable to think it would have been caught and run the clock to the 2 min warning.  And to me, i don't think run would have netted any yards.

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, ToGoGo said:

 

 

Bills players leaving with the Chiefs cheerleaders. Nice!

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

Damn he was young.   

 

Apparently he slipped at home and hit his head and that was that. Freak accident type thing. Bummer.

[WotAGuy]

21 minutes ago, Dan in Owego said:

Could be wrong but it seems like some kind of hip problems, it's something with his gait.

[Warcodered]

29 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Seemed like the bills went back to a lot of 12 with Knox back in the lineup.

 

I hope they go back to 11 with more Shakir.

 

Josh is straight up a better QB with spread 11, vs 12 personnel condensed 

Sounded like Knox played well though.🤷‍♂️

 

It's not like you can only use one.

[Freddie's Dead]

 

[Warcodered]

33 minutes ago, BRH said:

Timmuh still grinding that axe, I see… here’s his contribution to the Athletic article on the game. 
 

 

Were there no other negative angles for him to casually slide in as he talked about the game?

[BADOLBILZ]

25 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

Most were ready to cut him a long time ago.  Hopefully you guys saw my post predicting we’d lose because the WRs make too many mistakes and I thought it would keep happening….and it did.  Rice fumble, To ey offside.  Same thing all year.  Too many mistakes to overcome.

 

 

Yeah the Chiefs are not playing good football.   I expected the Bills to win this one and the spread was indicative that Vegas thought the Bills were playing better recently as well.   Both the Bills and Chiefs should have addressed their WR positions better.   Both units were bad today but the Chiefs made the big mistakes(which they have been doing all season).

[Warcodered]

40 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

Most were ready to cut him a long time ago.  Hopefully you guys saw my post predicting we’d lose because the WRs make too many mistakes and I thought it would keep happening….and it did.  Rice fumble, To ey offside.  Same thing all year.  Too many mistakes to overcome.

I think a lot of people have been saying the Chiefs weak point is that they're weapons are basically Kelce and an empty cupboard.

27 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Good news is we should be picking ahead of them in a WR-rich draft to stay ahead in the arms race.

I mean if we make it in maybe not.

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

So was the lateral a designed part of the play or just off the cuff? 

It doesn't matter - since the refs tragically called a penalty, for all intents and purposes the play never happened so the football world, nay - all the world, has been forever denied of its greatness

Edited December 11, 2023 by stevewin

[zow2]

Good result tonight too.  I wanted Dallas to be coming in off a win, feeling all satisfied and happy about themselves.  Not desperate.  They won’t be all that interested in playing in cold, breezy Orchard Park.

[Big Turk]

Carl Cheffers just fired a shot back at Reid and Mahomes:  

 

“(C)ertainly, no warning is required, especially if they are lined up so far Offside where they’re actually blocking our view of the ball.” 😂

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

3 hours ago, tomur67 said:

Refs will often tell wr's to move back from the line of scrimmage. It's done quite often.

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Usually they will .. IF the WR looks over at them to check. Toney never did this and was so far offside it was ridiculous. Had to be called , but if he looked over they likely would have let him know