Bills @ Chiefs Postgame Thread

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 minutes ago, MarkKelso'sHelmet said:

 

 

True but this is the problem with NFL. There are terrible calls every week that go against teams. Sometimes it evens out, and sometimes it doesn't. For the team who gets screwed, they complain. But for the team who benefits from a bogus call, they keep their mouths shut. They are thinking "we have had so many bogus calls go against us, it's about time we got a lucky break."

 

Not saying that's the case this week. Dude was clearly offside and it was the right call.

 

But, last week, there was an egregious NO CALL against the Packers that cost KC the game.

 

Not only that, but there have been multiple games this year that were decided not by the players, but by the officials and their terrible calls. I agree with the spirit of what Mahomes is saying, even if it's not applicable to this case.

 

The bottom line is that the NFL officiating is a total disaster and needs to be overhauled and reimagined from the ground up. It's disgraceful.

 

I understand what you’re saying but mahomes tried to justify his meltdown over an obvious and indisputable penalty by saying judgement calls by refs are ruining the game.  We all know judgement calls have swung games in the final moments but this was not that at all 

 

It’s really not much different than Toney running the wrong route or dropping a wide open td then turning around and blaming the refs 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Buffalo Ballin]

Also, please no more "Trade Josh Allen" threads. There was a throw, where Josh did a fade away going out of bounds completion, to Latavius Murray. The only other QB who can do that is Tragic Mahomes.

 

So please. Enough.

[Special K]

Kadarius Toney.....Million dollar talent with a two cent brain.

[chongli]

 

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by chongli

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Also, please no more "Trade Josh Allen" threads. There was a throw, where Josh did a fade away going out of bounds completion, to Latavius Murray. The only other QB who can do that is Tragic Mahomes.

 

So please. Enough.

 

Anyone wanting to trade Josh Allen is either a moron or a troll. Don't even take those posts seriously.

[GETTOTHE50]

2 hours ago, MarkKelso'sHelmet said:

 

 

True but this is the problem with NFL. There are terrible calls every week that go against teams. Sometimes it evens out, and sometimes it doesn't. For the team who gets screwed, they complain. But for the team who benefits from a bogus call, they keep their mouths shut. They are thinking "we have had so many bogus calls go against us, it's about time we got a lucky break."

 

Not saying that's the case this week. Dude was clearly offside and it was the right call.

 

But, last week, there was an egregious NO CALL against the Packers that cost KC the game.

 

Not only that, but there have been multiple games this year that were decided not by the players, but by the officials and their terrible calls. I agree with the spirit of what Mahomes is saying, even if it's not applicable to this case.

 

The bottom line is that the NFL officiating is a total disaster and needs to be overhauled and reimagined from the ground up. It's disgraceful.

 

Refs need to be full time and there needs to be more of them. They need to study films on teams and their mistakes during the week. 
 

I also think the rule book needs to be less complicated, like with what constitutes a catch or holding. 

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

Anyone got an explanation for the post-penalty time rules in this game?  1st half, KC is driving on us near the 2 minute warning- I want the Bills to have as much time left as possible if/when KC scores.  KC commits a penalty at about 2:19 left, but the refs start the clock up after the penalty and we hit 2minutes with no play run

 

1st & 10 at BUF 38  12 Yard Pass

(3:00) (No Huddle, Shotgun) P.Mahomes pass short middle to T.Kelce to BUF 26 for 12 yards (Ta.Johnson; J.Poyer).

 

 

1st & 10 at BUF 26  -10 Yard Penalty

(2:23) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.McKinnon right end to BUF 19 for 7 yards (G.Rousseau). PENALTY on KC-C.Humphrey, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at BUF 26 - No Play.

 

 

1st & 20 at BUF 36  -5 Yard Penalty

(2:00) (Shotgun) PENALTY on KC-J.Taylor, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 36 - No Play.

 

 

1st & 25 at BUF 41  17 Yard Pass

(2:00) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes pass short left to R.Rice to BUF 24 for 17 yards (T.Bernard).

 

So we went to the 2 minute warning from 2:23 after a penalty with no play, but a penalty at the 2 minute mark stopped the clock entirely. 
 

 

Then the second half, and I want that clock running, forcing the Chiefs to call timeouts, but the clock stops this time and we run a (crappy) play with 2:12 left on the clock- 

 

 

3rd & 10 at KC 27  5 Yard Penalty

(2:17) (Shotgun) J.Allen sacked at KC 31 for -4 yards (G.Karlaftis). PENALTY on KC-Ja.Watson, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at KC 27 - No Play.

 

1st & 10 at KC 22  Pass Incomplete

(2:12) (Shotgun) J.Allen pass incomplete short left to S.Diggs.

 

2nd & 10 at KC 22  Pass Incomplete

(2:10) (Shotgun) J.Allen pass incomplete deep right to S.Diggs (L.Sneed). KC-Ja.Watson was injured during the play.

 

3rd & 10 at KC 22  1 Yard Pass

(2:06) (Shotgun) J.Allen pass short left to D.Kincaid to KC 21 for 1 yard (L.Sneed) [M.Danna].

 

4th & 9 at KC 21  Field Goal

(1:57) T.Bass 39 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-R.Ferguson, Holder-S.Martin.

 

 

I know the NFL keeps torturing the former long-standing clock rules so they can subtly cram in as much advertising as possible, but this is just f***d up. 

Any KC peep bitching about getting ***** over by the refs is just being a Mahomes.  
 

 

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

31 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Refs need to be full time and there needs to be more of them. They need to study films on teams and their mistakes during the week. 
 

I also think the rule book needs to be less complicated, like with what constitutes a catch or holding. 

I don't personally care about full-time refs, and I'd probably make a case for the opposite.  But I do think the fill-ins were more even in the way they officiated.  Once the regulars came back from their 'mistreatment' strike, we went back to the same old teams getting the same old favoritism.  It's not like the consistency of calls got any better.  
 

I remember the NFL media machine claims that people were 'outraged' by the scabs calling games, but I thought it finally felt honest, if still flawed.  Were any of you 'outraged' by the fill-in refs a few years back?

[Mango]

6 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Seemed like the bills went back to a lot of 12 with Knox back in the lineup.

 

I hope they go back to 11 with more Shakir.

 

Josh is straight up a better QB with spread 11, vs 12 personnel condensed 

QB play was certainly hectic in the second half. 

[The Helmet of]

4 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I understand what you’re saying but mahomes tried to justify his meltdown over an obvious and indisputable penalty by saying judgement calls by refs are ruining the game.  We all know judgement calls have swung games in the final moments but this was not that at all 

 

It’s really not much different than Toney running the wrong route or dropping a wide open td then turning around and blaming the refs 

I agree. Actually, it's a separate point that the officiating has sucked this year league wide. It would be nice if the players addressed it not during the heat of the moment. Maybe the NFLPA should make some demands for changes to how the NFL does its officiating business. It's disgraceful.

 

But I just saw the clip of Mahomes in the post-game hug with Allen bitching to Allen about the call. I agree he's being [fill in the blank] in that moment. Maybe he's mad he's not getting the Swift [fill in the blank]

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

40 minutes ago, Mango said:

QB play was certainly hectic in the second half. 

That was an intense second half - great game!  Not totally sure which play it was, but I think it was the 1 yard pass to Kincaid before the last FG- Allen's head went L-R-L-R-L-R-L-R-L-R-L, like 50 times in 1 second... like a Hanna Barbara cartoon without the wacky sound effects.  Pretty sure he completed some crazy throw, though.  

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

I don't personally care about full-time refs, and I'd probably make a case for the opposite.  But I do think the fill-ins were more even in the way they officiated.  Once the regulars came back from their 'mistreatment' strike, we went back to the same old teams getting the same old favoritism.  It's not like the consistency of calls got any better.  
 

I remember the NFL media machine claims that people were 'outraged' by the scabs calling games, but I thought it finally felt honest, if still flawed.  Were any of you 'outraged' by the fill-in refs a few years back?

The replacement officials were better than the current officials because they only called what they saw, much less made up calls. The "worst" call of the replacement officials was the "fail Mary" which would not be a top ten bad call against the Bills this year. 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

You know... the more I see of these post game pressers by Reid and Mahomes, the angrier I get.

 

How dare they!

 

Getting up there like they're a common victim, talking about "this isnt good for the NFL" and "another week talking about the refs".

 

Mother ***** YOU are the one talking about the refs! And the basic rules ARE good for the NFL!

 

I know everyone hates the officiating in the NFL, and rightfully so. But that doesnt mean you get to complain about a correct call. By a MILE!

 

I don't remember the Bills going out and ripping the refs when the Chiefs jobbed them. Fans, sure, that's what fans do .

 

But the one time they get a call right, and it's blatantly obvious, now is the time to cry? Because you lost two in a row? That you might have to play a playoff game on the road? 

[jimmy10]

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0rxiDEuPKx/

[The Helmet of]

10 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I didn't let myself enjoy this earlier in the week.

 

I'm enjoying it now though . . . Josh Allen is MEME

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

4 hours ago, MarkKelso'sHelmet said:

 

 

True but this is the problem with NFL. There are terrible calls every week that go against teams. Sometimes it evens out, and sometimes it doesn't. For the team who gets screwed, they complain. But for the team who benefits from a bogus call, they keep their mouths shut. They are thinking "we have had so many bogus calls go against us, it's about time we got a lucky break."

 

Not saying that's the case this week. Dude was clearly offside and it was the right call.

 

But, last week, there was an egregious NO CALL against the Packers that cost KC the game.

 

Not only that, but there have been multiple games this year that were decided not by the players, but by the officials and their terrible calls. I agree with the spirit of what Mahomes is saying, even if it's not applicable to this case.

 

The bottom line is that the NFL officiating is a total disaster and needs to be overhauled and reimagined from the ground up. It's disgraceful.

 

Oh I think few people will disagree that reffing is broken and needs to be burnt to the ground. Somehow the USFL and XFL can make games happen and still be transparent. This year it's been bad. 

 

But the Chiefs response comes off as whining because all through the year they got lucky calls. Even last week the "no call" came after a questionable Roughing the Passer. It's them suddenly waking up to the problem after the refs actually got one right after screwing the Bills out of ten seconds at the end of the half, Kelce catch, gifting KC a sack on Josh that the rules didn't apply to Patty, Sneed playing real close to what we get flagged for PI.

 

It didn't even cost them the game. The score would have given the Bills the chance to win it with 3 time out and 80 seconds. They had two more downs. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Watching postgame there’s absolutely zero chance Pegula and Beane fire McDermott.

[Hotdog water]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Watching postgame there’s absolutely zero chance Pegula and Beane fire McDermott.

That’s too bad because Mcdookie still sucks.

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

17 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I don't remember the Bills going out and ripping the refs when the Chiefs jobbed them. Fans, sure, that's what fans do .

 

But the one time they get a call right, and it's blatantly obvious, now is the time to cry? Because you lost two in a row? That you might have to play a playoff game on the road? 

It's the Chiefs' punk-ass B word version of 'Salute to Military' - just line up in whatever formation you want and have a tantrum about the outcome.  That Mahomes clan....

[newcam2012]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Also, please no more "Trade Josh Allen" threads. There was a throw, where Josh did a fade away going out of bounds completion, to Latavius Murray. The only other QB who can do that is Tragic Mahomes.

 

So please. Enough.

No one in those right mind would advocate trading Allen. 

2 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Refs need to be full time and there needs to be more of them. They need to study films on teams and their mistakes during the week. 
 

I also think the rule book needs to be less complicated, like with what constitutes a catch or holding. 

Nevertheless, there will always be subjectivity. This will always lead to controversy and mistakes. It's an imperfect system. I'm not sure more refs solves anything.