Tyler Dunne story on McDermott - 3 parts, 25 interviews, one damning conclusion

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Right, and you're willing to get a super bowl by any means necessary, even if that is standing in the square of a public flogging throwing rotten vegetables.

I think probably you should back away from the keyboard because you are becoming more and more unhinged.

 

Every single person wanted the Bills to win a Super Bowl when McDermott was hired.. 99% of us still want that.

 

I have no idea what you are reading into any post to think otherwise.

 

The article for the most part just puts into print what many of us have been voicing for a while and some stories that none of us had heard before.

Edited December 9, 2023 by Billsfan1972

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, JustHewIt said:

 

If you only judged bill belichick off his press conferences, you'd probably come to the conclusion that he was a insecure douche bag loser also.  The idea that press conferences reflect the success of day to day operations of an NFL team is the problem. I get it, that's all fans have to cling to and dopa-hits from posting on social media and having your opinions validated feels good. But it still doesn't necessarily mean anything. It's media, it's embellished and twisted and slanted and manipulated, in both directions 

So you would take Bill if he craps himself late in games and can’t win anything past the regular season? He’s like the anti McD as far as results. 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If you read later posts my opinion is NOT only based on press conferences. I know a lot of people at OBD. I don’t know anyone at the Pats (at least at the moment). One of my closest friends played for BB for 6 seasons. A lot of my BB opinions are from what he has told me. He liked him a lot. 

I think we all know that 99% of Dunne’s sources are Whaley/Monos guys.

[PBF81]

12 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

I thought McDs presser was genuine and from the heart. I don't think he's fake at all. That perspective baffles me. He was noticably distressed in his eyes. 

 

I think it's fair to critique McD. There's been some issues over the years. But there's also been high positives. As I said, I'm not at all happy w how the Von Miller situation is being handled. 

 

Well, if you read the piece, and based on your comments above it would seem that you didn't, what you said would make a ton of sense in perspective.  

 

Read it.  What you say will make a ton of sense in the proper context.  

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

11 minutes ago, FireChans said:

“Throwing him under the bus” and “justified firing” aren’t really congruent things for me.

 

When someone sucks, and you fire them, it isn’t some last ditch effort to pass the buck to someone else.

 

Bills are 6-6 now with Dorsey's replacement.  Is Brady next to go?

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I think we all know that 99% of Dunne’s sources are Whaley/Monos guys.

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/17/buffalo-bills-quinton-spain-wrong-person-fired-sean-mcdermott-ken-dorsey-nfl/

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[JustHewIt]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

So you would take Bill if he craps himself late in games and can’t win anything past the regular season? He’s like the anti McD as far as results. 

 

Believe it or not, I can think you guys put way too much stock in the media and overreact AND agree McD has sucked late in games AND think that he's a hell of a lot more accomplished than 90 percent of NFL coaches and be willing to support him to work through our current situation.

 

The social media police can't even do anything about it. 

[PBF81]

20 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Bills are 6-6 now with Dorsey's replacement.  Is Brady next to go?

 

It's interesting that you say that, there's still a third of the season to go.  This whole thing is far from over.  

 

Bet big money that much more comes to light between now and shortly after the season ends.  

 

My big thing at the moment for those claiming "hit piece," is where are all of the offensive players, particularly Allen & Diggs, defending McD independently and not in a group statement.  That silence is deafening.  

 

Seems that what's really occurring is that much that has been hidden is being exposed, not only via Dunne's piece.  

 

Here's the thing, McD can gracefully acknowledge his shortcomings and go more with the flow, or what's forthcoming is going to happen.  A huge part of the problem is that he doesn't understand many of these interactions.  

 

At the rate this is going he's making hiring him after this far more difficult on himself.  

 

 

Edited December 9, 2023 by PBF81

[LabattBlue]

59 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve spent my 20 year-career reading people. It isn’t necessarily the words that they say, it’s body language, tone, intent, cadence, confidence, etc… Authenticity is one of the most important qualities in a person. He lacks that. 

 

McDermott always felt like a bit of a fraud to me. He seemed like that friend’s dad that you didn’t really like growing up. He felt like he’d be nice to your face but deep down didn’t want you around his kid. One of the least surprising things about this article was the part about him being annoyed that the WRs bought Chad Hall that truck. That feels “on brand.” This isn’t meant to be a comparison but do you think Mike McDaniel would care if his WRs bought their coach a truck? That guy feels REAL. That’s not meant to say “McDanel = good and McDermott = bad.” I think that we’d all agree that McDaniel feels more authentic than McDermott. 

 

I do not think that McDermott was “admiring” the terrorists. He isn’t evil. He’s just fake. I think that he poorly chose his words. He has spent the last half-dozen years trying to keep things tight within OBD. I believe that he believes that’s what’s best for the team. I also believe that it’s because he doesn’t want all of “the truths” out there. It’s a little of that too. 
 

I don’t want him gone because he said something stupid in 2019. I want him gone because isn’t the guy to take this team across the finish line IMO. 

Well said by a well respected poster!!

👍🏻

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

It's interesting that you say that, there's still a third of the season to go.  This whole thing is far from over.  

 

Bet big money that much more comes to light between now and shortly after the season ends.  

 

My big thing at the moment for those claiming "hit piece," is where are all of the offensive players, particularly Allen & Diggs, defending McD independently and not in a group statement.  That silence is deafening.  

 

Seems that what's really occurring is that much that has been hidden is being exposed, not only via Dunne's piece.  

 

Here's the thing, McD can gracefully acknowledge his shortcomings and go more with the flow, or what's forthcoming is going to happen.  A huge part of the problem is that he doesn't understand many of these interactions.  

 

 

Well Hyde supports him!!!!  Yes interesting that not one player on offense has said anything.

 

Diggs has been in a snit all season and I haven't read a single post in those threads, but how many there "Blamed McD"?

 

Again if there is no playoffs sure we'll hear a lot more, but I said from day one that Dorsey I'm 100% sure had to do things on O McD's way and that was an issue.

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

We're a crappy fan base, sorry, but it's true. This is basically like cheering an injury. 

 

And the corrolary is like accepting indefinite defeat.  

 

 

[Wayne Arnold]

11 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Use whatever means possible to get him fired...Tyler Dunne, is that you?!

 

Of all the sports, fan support matters by far the least in the nfl... very few home games and the vast majority of the money comes from the TV deals and league wide revenue sharing.

 

I could see ticket sales being important for cash flow stuff, but the Pegulas seem to have plenty of liquid money that they can fund the cash flow until the league wide dispersments are paid, and for all we know they might not mind operating at a loss because it helps offset gains elsewhere.

 

Now other sports with regional TV deals and 41 or 81 home games and much more limited league wide revenue sharing, sure, but not the NFL.

 

Also, how do you know that Pegula isn't fully supportive of and wants coaches that have boundaries between player and coach? 

 

If you're not winning with one of the two or three greatest quarterbacks on the planet and sources close to the owner come out and say there's no chance the head coach is fired then ***** is going to get ugly. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

There isn't a single billionaire on the planet Earth who doesn't mind "operating at a loss". Not a one.

[CaliBills]

Some of you all are reaching 

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Well Hyde supports him!!!!  Yes interesting that not one player on offense has said anything.

 

Diggs has been in a snit all season and I haven't read a single post in those threads, but how many there "Blamed McD"?

 

Again if there is no playoffs sure we'll hear a lot more, but I said from day one that Dorsey I'm 100% sure had to do things on O McD's way and that was an issue.

Pretty sure you are wrong on the offense players not supporting.  
 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/sean-mcdermott-says-support-from-bills-players-was-clear-and-much-appreciated/article_ce393a6c-95ee-11ee-8ef2-cf6d8ef748f6.html

 

 

some of you all are reaching so hard surprised you still have arms attached. 

[Trogdor]

1 hour ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Right, and you're willing to get a super bowl by any means necessary, even if that is standing in the square of a public flogging throwing rotten vegetables.

Man, he might have to leave the industry and get a menial labor job in rural America. I don't know how he's going to show his face after this one. What a travesty, there is going to be a lot of prayer and character building. 🙄

[Wayne Arnold]

11 hours ago, Breakout Squad said:

McDermott sounded broken down and clearly hurt. Watching his press conference you could see this is really hitting him hard. I felt bad for him. 

 

That's exactly what he wants. Now when they miss the playoffs he can tell Pegula and the contingent of emotional fans that it was Tyler Dunne's fault and they'll likely buy it.

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

Some of you all are reaching 

Pretty sure you are wrong on the offense players not supporting.  
 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/sean-mcdermott-says-support-from-bills-players-was-clear-and-much-appreciated/article_ce393a6c-95ee-11ee-8ef2-cf6d8ef748f6.html

 

 

some of you all are reaching so hard surprised you still have arms attached. 

Where is anybody commenting in this article that is relevant offensively?  Have you heard from Josh or Diggs or Knox or Morse or Gabe? 

[JohnNord]

36 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think it’s likely that he’s back. 

It’s going to make being a Bills fan insufferable in places like Twitter.  TBH, I’m on the fence about McDermott.  I think the concerns about the end of games are valid.  I also think that because people don’t have confidence in him they’ll grasp at anything negative and assign blame to McDermott.  

 

An example as evidenced here is the dude who said every bad draft pick was McDermott and every good one was Beane.  Or how Dorsey’s shortcomings as an OC, which have been well documented, were all on McDermott under the “he’s the head coach” cop out.  While Dorsey was a lackluster hire, no one was a bigger proponent than Josh Allen.  The hire, although a bad one in hindsight, made a lot of sense.  
 

I felt Dunne went a step further in his article with the negative personal stories from the Quinton Spain’s of the world.   Which of course those people read and are “See…see…”
 

As long as people are fair, I don’t have a problem with the McDermott criticism.  Many of us have it as well.  I think there always has been a strong emphasis on defense… I would love to see the inverse of that.  

[Trogdor]

31 minutes ago, JustHewIt said:

 

If you only judged bill belichick off his press conferences, you'd probably come to the conclusion that he was a insecure douche bag loser also.  The idea that press conferences reflect the success of day to day operations of an NFL team is the problem. I get it, that's all fans have to cling to and dopa-hits from posting on social media and having your opinions validated feels good. But it still doesn't necessarily mean anything. It's media, it's embellished and twisted and slanted and manipulated, in both directions 

I think the similarities are actually pretty good. Old school defensive thinking coaches who surround themselves with yesmen. Neither reportedly seem to handle differences in opinion well. Even the player preferences seem similar. 

[JohnNord]

2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Where is anybody commenting in this article that is relevant offensively?  Have you heard from Josh or Diggs or Knox or Morse or Gabe? 

They weren’t asked about McDermott specifically during the media access this week, as the article came out on the same day. I’m guessing it will happen Sunday or next week?