Tyler Dunne story on McDermott - 3 parts, 25 interviews, one damning conclusion

[cgg716]

33 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Yes, some people are cheering...but more so getting entertainment from it.

 

The article is slanted...saying McD is jealous because he didn't have that relationship with his players, when he believes coaches shouldn't have those types of relationships with his players, but never brings up that the reason McD said that about the truck is because it goes against his coaching philosophy and instead "jealousy"

 

It's a character hit piece

If that does indeed go against his philosophy, which I think is true, that says quite a bit about him as a person to be quite honest. None of which is good 

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

“I spent my 20 year-career reading people” - 

 

“This means I can tell you which people are frauds and which ones aren’t frauds by watching them on TV”

 

Makes sense.  

Shocking that you’d be the one to have an issue with my opinion 🙄. As you may or may not know, I have many contacts within that building (both past and present). I also follow the Bills very closely. My opinion, based on all of that, is that he’s a bit fake. Sorry that you have an issue with my opinion…

[SinceThe70s]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

King’s melodramatic comments about how New Yorkers will be so deeply offended and hurt by the comments because of where 9/11 happened is SUCH corny BS. I lived in NYC then and still live there now, and I can’t imagine anyone feeling stung or angered by McD’s AQ motivational speech. King has a real weakness for hackneyed, middlebrow cultural analysis and sermonizing about it. Stick to football.

 

I was just about to comment that I live fairly close to NYC and I don't think this story has the traction around here that folks think it has. I heard a local sports talk guy yesterday bemoan that he was surprised the story already went away a day after it broke.

[FireChans]

28 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve spent my 20 year-career reading people. It isn’t necessarily the words that they say, it’s body language, tone, intent, cadence, confidence, etc… Authenticity is one of the most important qualities in a person. He lacks that. 

 

McDermott always felt like a bit of a fraud to me. He seemed like that friend’s dad that you didn’t really like growing up. He felt like he’d be nice to your face but deep down didn’t want you around his kid. One of the least surprising things about this article was the part about him being annoyed that the WRs bought Chad Hall that truck. That feels “on brand.” This isn’t meant to be a comparison but do you think Mike McDaniel would care if his WRs bought their coach a truck? That guy feels REAL. That’s not meant to say “McDanel = good and McDermott = bad.” I think that we’d all agree that McDaniel feels more authentic than McDermott. 

 

I do not think that McDermott was “admiring” the terrorists. He isn’t evil. He’s just fake. I think that he poorly chose his words. He has spent the last half-dozen years trying to keep things tight within OBD. I believe that he believes that’s what’s best for the team. I also believe that it’s because he doesn’t want all of “the truths” out there. It’s a little of that too. 
 

I don’t want him gone because he said something stupid in 2019. I want him gone because isn’t the guy to take this team across the finish line IMO. 

What did you do to your friends’ dad????

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Absolutely I'm saying that about the Miller thing and him getting benched... the last week has been a really crappy eye opening look into the fan base.

 

The problem is the article doesn't portray his approach as being a crappy outdated coaching approach with regards to the truck piece...it portrays him as being a jealous narcissist.

 

See that's where I don't care.  That part is just opinion.  I can separate his opinion from the actual players comments.  Most intelligent people can.  When you take Dunne's opinion away you still get.... players give a truck to a coach they love to show that coach that love and what he means to them and a head coach that turned an amazingly good moment into one of making everyone feel like dog**** for doing so.  That is horribly bad coaching. I don't care what Dunne's opinion on it was.  The underlying fact is still the same.

[KellyToTasker]

1 hour ago, wettlaufer said:

 

No, he interviewed 25 people. As the article, which you likely didn't read, states.

 

Another indication you didn't read it -- not all the comments were critical.

 

Every NFL organization has turnover. Few, if any, have leaders who screw up so badly that so many former associates would come out and day what they did, even off the record.

 

Dunne didn't make it a hit job. McD's leadership style and continual fails late in games have (we JUST had a couple with "12 men" and failing to close the Eagles).

 

Yeah, I hope we go on a run and win the SB too. I can separate my hopes as a fan from a fair, objective analysis of a journalist's work. McD's whining this was a hit piece on his character is yet another evasion of hard truths that must be looked at by one's self but are not. That's NOT leadership when said leader demands that of his people all the time. You gotta walk the walk and not just talk the talk. Which is one reason it appears Digggs really doesn't dig Sean McDermott.

Oh hey Tyler. 

[RichRiderBills]

I thought McDs presser was genuine and from the heart. I don't think he's fake at all. That perspective baffles me. He was noticably distressed in his eyes. 

 

I think it's fair to critique McD. There's been some issues over the years. But there's also been high positives. As I said, I'm not at all happy w how the Von Miller situation is being handled. 

 

Again, Dunne was very much a product and ally of the former Whaley regime. There was also likely some serious offense he perceives from McD that prematurely ended or derailed his legit media career. This is my speculation at least. I think he's very biased and dedicated to bring down McD. 

Edited December 9, 2023 by RichRiderBills

[Kirby Jackson]

26 minutes ago, FireChans said:

What did you do to your friends’ dad????

Lol, you know what I mean. I’m talking about that dad with the tucked in polo shirt, khaki shorts, and dad shoes. He may or may not have his cell phone clipped to his belt with some ankle socks. He shakes your hand, but deep down thinks that you’re a bad person for no real reason. When his kid gets caught with alcohol, weed or whatever his initial instinct is that it’s your fault 😂😂. 

Edited December 9, 2023 by Kirby Jackson

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The guy didn’t “point out the obvious,” which was that Dorsey was rightly on the hot seat. 
 

He said McD would throw him under the bus to save his own skin and insinuated that it would be an unjustified firing. Which is not really true.

 

It would be like, today, saying “Watch, Terry is going to fire McD and make an example out of him so he gets a cover story for those alleged racist comments.”

 

Ostensibly, it sounds plausible. 
 

But the reality is McD is probably just gonna get fired because he had a bad coaching year on a team with high expectations. 
 

Anyone who thinks #1 is much more plausible than #2 is because they are grinding out that axe, imo.

 

He did throw him under the bus with a justified firing.  

 

The pattern of blaming others by McD isn't really something that Dunne has been the first to notice........I think you understand that.

 

 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

I was just about to comment that I live fairly close to NYC and I don't think this story has the traction around here that folks think it has. I heard a local sports talk guy yesterday bemoan that he was surprised the story already went away a day after it broke.

 

That's because the Yankees new shiny toy got a huge deal, so I'm not worried about what those in the NYC market has to say unless they have Daboll/Schoen input.

Edited December 9, 2023 by EasternOHBillsFan

[JohnNord]

3 minutes ago, KellyToTasker said:

Oh hey Tyler. 

 

3 minutes ago, KellyToTasker said:

Oh hey Tyler. 

“He interviewed 25 people” is the answer to anyone criticizing Dunne’s story. 

8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Shocking that you’d be the one to have an issue with my opinion 🙄. As you may or may not know, I have many contacts within that building (both past and present). I also follow the Bills very closely. My opinion, based on all of that, is that he’s a bit fake. Sorry that you have an issue with my opinion…

So…based on your contract within the building (both past and present) what is McDermott’s job security for next season?  

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He did throw him under the bus with a justified firing.  

 

The pattern of blaming others by McD isn't really something that Dunne has been the first to notice........I think you understand that.

 

 

“Throwing him under the bus” and “justified firing” aren’t really congruent things for me.

 

When someone sucks, and you fire them, it isn’t some last ditch effort to pass the buck to someone else.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

 

“He interviewed 25 people” is the answer to anyone criticizing Dunne’s story. 

So…based on your contract within the building (both past and present) what is McDermott’s job security for next season?  

I think it’s likely that he’s back. 

[AmishRifle]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lol, you know what I mean. I’m talking about that dad with the tucked in polo shirt and khaki shorts, and dad shoes. He may or may not have his cell phone clipped to his belt with some ankle socks. He shakes your hand, but deep down things that you’re a bad person for no real reason. When his kid gets caught with alcohol, weed or whatever his initial instinct is that it’s your fault 😂😂. 

My kid is an angel Kirby and it was your fault!!  The polo and shorts thing hit a little close to home.  LOL

[PBF81]

14 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

If that does indeed go against his philosophy, which I think is true, that says quite a bit about him as a person to be quite honest. None of which is good 

 

It's called hypocrisy in any other circumstance.  

 

 

[Nextmanup]

4 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

 

“He interviewed 25 people” is the answer to anyone criticizing Dunne’s story. 

So…based on your contract within the building (both past and present) what is McDermott’s job security for next season?  

Are you kidding?  Pegula is the owner.  McDermott will very likely be back.

 

That which "is" is often not what "should be."

 

Unlike others, however, I do think there is a SMALL chance he is gone this year, especially if the end of the year goes a certain way.

 

 

[JustHewIt]

36 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve spent my 20 year-career reading people. It isn’t necessarily the words that they say, it’s body language, tone, intent, cadence, confidence, etc… Authenticity is one of the most important qualities in a person. He lacks that. 

 

McDermott always felt like a bit of a fraud to me. He seemed like that friend’s dad that you didn’t really like growing up. He felt like he’d be nice to your face but deep down didn’t want you around his kid. One of the least surprising things about this article was the part about him being annoyed that the WRs bought Chad Hall that truck. That feels “on brand.” This isn’t meant to be a comparison but do you think Mike McDaniel would care if his WRs bought their coach a truck? That guy feels REAL. That’s not meant to say “McDanel = good and McDermott = bad.” I think that we’d all agree that McDaniel feels more authentic than McDermott. 

 

I do not think that McDermott was “admiring” the terrorists. He isn’t evil. He’s just fake. I think that he poorly chose his words. He has spent the last half-dozen years trying to keep things tight within OBD. I believe that he believes that’s what’s best for the team. I also believe that it’s because he doesn’t want all of “the truths” out there. It’s a little of that too. 
 

I don’t want him gone because he said something stupid in 2019. I want him gone because isn’t the guy to take this team across the finish line IMO. 

 

If you only judged bill belichick off his press conferences, you'd probably come to the conclusion that he was a insecure douche bag loser also.  The idea that press conferences reflect the success of day to day operations of an NFL team is the problem. I get it, that's all fans have to cling to and dopa-hits from posting on social media and having your opinions validated feels good. But it still doesn't necessarily mean anything. It's media, it's embellished and twisted and slanted and manipulated, in both directions 

[PBF81]

12 minutes ago, FireChans said:

What did you do to your friends’ dad????

 

Maybe he did something to his friend's mom.  

 

 

[transient]

8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lol, you know what I mean. I’m talking about that dad with the tucked in polo shirt, khaki shorts, and dad shoes. He may or may not have his cell phone clipped to his belt with some ankle socks. He shakes your hand, but deep down things that you’re a bad person for no real reason. When his kid gets caught with alcohol, weed or whatever his initial instinct is that it’s your fault 😂😂. 

I’m not bad at reading people, myself. Typically that kind of rationalization is followed by “I mean, yeah, it was my weed, but it’s not like I forced his son to smoke it…” 😉😂

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, JustHewIt said:

 

If you only judged bill belichick off his press conferences, you'd probably come to the conclusion that he was a insecure douche bag loser also.  The idea that press conferences reflect the success of day to day operations of an NFL team is the problem. I get it, that's all fans have to cling to and dopa-hits from posting on social media and having your opinions validated feels good. But it still doesn't necessarily mean anything. It's media, it's embellished and twisted and slanted and manipulated, in both directions 

If you read later posts my opinion is NOT only based on press conferences. I know a lot of people at OBD. I don’t know anyone at the Pats (at least at the moment). One of my closest friends played for BB for 6 seasons. A lot of my BB opinions are from what he has told me. He liked him a lot.