Tyler Dunne story on McDermott - 3 parts, 25 interviews, one damning conclusion

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

He is well-sourced.  Also very biased.  

 

BTW, in the entire mix of this topic, who do you think are the most biased people?  

 

For my money I'm going for the McD apologists.  

 

 

[JohnNord]

22 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

And that is exactly what happened (he threw Dorsey under the bus) and various people here and on WGR fell for it.

 

McClappy fired the wrong coordinator. Although I had given McClappy the benefit of the doubt even though I was never a big fan, once he fired Dorsey it became clear to me that he is a snake and that all of his talk about accountability and culture etc. is pure BS.

 

The good news is that McClappy has no one else to throw under the bus.

 

I really hope that ownership does the right thing in the off season.

I’m not sure how you can watch the offense over Dorsey’s final 5 games and say he didn’t deserve to be fired.  

3 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

BTW, in the entire mix of this topic, who do you think are the most biased people?  

 

For my money I'm going for the McD apologists.  

 

 

Everyone in the forum is based.  Sports fans almost always are.  If someone is calling themselves a journalist you probably shouldn’t be biased unless it’s a schtick like Skip Bayless.  

19 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I’ll add this.  The Diggs piece is important, too.  If he’s going to be here, and he likely will be on next year’s roster, whomever is the coach has to be able to handle that personality.  From what I understand he is a handful.  I’ll leave that point with this:  Maddy Glab was right.  Take it for what it’s worth.  

I don’t think Diggs has much choice in the matter.  Because of his contract he’s stuck in Buffalo whether he likes it or not.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

“These boots are made for walkthroughs…”

 

Btw, complementary football is what we want. Complimentary football would be Josh being like “James, what a great 2.5 yard carry! Proud of you, bud!”

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, Roundybout said:

https://www.golongtd.com/p/the-mcdermott-problem-part-i-blame?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
 

 

A very long read, and the other parts are only for paid subscribers, but his sources paint a picture of McD as a narcissistic control freak who won’t take accountability for anything. 
 

 

Do with this what you will. 

 

Thank you.  I have never subscribed to a news source in my life but after reading the snippet I spent the 8 bucks to read the rest.  Amazing article. McDermott needs to freaking go.  

 

It's a very long article but I recommend to everyone to spend the 8 bucks to read it.  Best Bills article I have read in a long time.  If you are on the fence on McDermott this will get you over the fence pretty fast.

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

So how did Dorsey's offense come out firing for four games then?  

 

Why was it that "complimentary football" only entered the equation after that?  

 

A wise person would question what's going on behind the scenes.  

 

 

Dorsey sucked.  Period.  End of story.  

[HomeskillitMoorman]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Posters like me have been taking flak from this board for years when we criticized McDermott. 

Our only hope is just like Manning, Allen overcomes his moron HC. Dungy was a terrible coach that lucked into a top 4 QB of all time and still almost managed to never win a SuperBowl.  He should be in the Hall of Shame not the HOF. 

 

Let's hope Pegula looks back and sees what Tampa did to win a SuperBowl after years of Dungy failures.

 

 

Me too. For years I was in that same boat of all the negativity if I said one bad thing about McD. 
 

They’ll probably never admit how wrong they were, but at least many have come around. 

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Arkady Renko said:

I have a hunch his sources are Whaley,  Daboll and that OL who got cut after signing a big contract. 

 

He actually has a lot of sources in this article.  From coaches to assistants to players both former and current.  Some named and some not.

[SectionC3]

8 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I’m not sure how you can watch the offense over Dorsey’s final 5 games and say he didn’t deserve to be fired.  

Everyone in the forum is based.  Sports fans almost always are.  If someone is calling themselves a journalist you probably shouldn’t be biased unless it’s a schtick like Skip Bayless.  

I don’t think Diggs has much choice in the matter.  Because of his contract he’s stuck in Buffalo whether he likes it or not.

Not the issue.  I agree with you.  The problem is finding someone capable of managing and tolerating that difficult and volatile personality. 

[PBF81]

40 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

You didn't like McD before Dunne's article.  You don't like him now.

 

So I guess BBG is right: it didn't move the needle. 

 

Not sure what that has to do with anything.  

 

I'm hardly one for hammering people that were wrong, much less touting myself, but given your comment I'll stand up for myself and say that I predicted all of this, so it's also hardly a baseless bias.  

 

You too and everyone else will be finding out more as time passes, just as we already have.  

 

Your insinuation, implicitly, that Dunne is lying about his sources and interviews is ridiculous.  And when he's posted favorable things here, everyone applauds.  

 

The most biased people in the mix are the handful and extreme minority that are still backing McD, who's done enough all by himself via his own statements to validate that he's in over his head.  

 

Either way, I'd prefer it if you'd stick to the discussion rather than go down the path of ad hominem.  I don't do that to you or anyone else, please don't do it to me.  

 

 

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

These are the worst types of articles. A bunch of unamed sources who are mad they got fired for sucking at their jobs.

 

Just a bunch of garbage.

 

Sure except there are also a bunch of named sources and people who weren't fired but chose to leave.

[PBF81]

39 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

So, in short you and others have read the piece and come away feeling reaffirmed with what you had felt before the piece. Correct? That was my point.

 

I'm not going to discuss myself.  If you want to discuss the content, that's fine.  

 

 

[billsfan89]

Every head coach has “enemies” players who feel they were unfairly cut or not given a chance or coaches in a similar position. Dorsey’s offense was outright awful in design and he deserved to be fired. 
 

I know everyone is going to ***** on the defense (which unlike the offense lost 3 key starters for the season and had other players banged up) but the defense is not the reason this team lost most of the 6 games it has lost. You can only pin 2 maybe 3 losses on a bad defensive effort.

 

The Jets game was lost due to Josh and the turnovers and a ST return in OT.

The Jaguars game was lost because the offense didn’t get it going the only reason the Bills had a chance was because the defense kept a lot of points off the board.
 

The Pats loss was on the defense although had the offense got it going sooner I think they would have been fine. 
 

The Bengals loss was on both sides of the ball. The defense had a bad first half but only let up 3 points in the second half giving the offense a chance to make a comeback. 50/50 as to which side of the ball shouldered the loss.

 

The Broncos loss was completely on the offensive side of the ball as the only reason the game was close was because of turnovers the defense held their end of the bargain.

And the Eagles loss was more so on the defensive side of the ball. Although the defense did force a 59 yard field goal attempt in bad weather. Had that nearly miracle kick not happened the defense would have come up in the clutch. You can blame the defense on that loss somewhat fairly.

 

I just don’t see the defense being the primary reason this team has lost many of its games.

[PBF81]

36 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

It’s the same narrative Ty has been preaching for years.  It’s not surprising that this article is a reflection of that.  Some people have called into question his bias, and rightfully so.  

 

In the same way that biased McD supporters have been preaching for years.  

 

By the end of the season, perhaps sooner, if not by then, then next season, we'll know more.  

 

You do realize that the worst scoring offenses since our drought era began, before Allen took off in 2020, i.e. with one year under Taylor and two under Allen from 2017 to 2019, have been the worst on average, other than Jauron's, whose ranked only one spot lower, 26th compared to McD's 25th.  

 

If it isn't blatant that McD is clueless about offense at this point, I don't think that it will ever be to anyone defending him.  

 

But given that we have Allen and that the strength of our team is the offense, this isn't a difficult puzzle to solve.  Really.  

 

 

[Logic]

We tend to think of things in black and white. "Either this, or that, but not both".

But in the case of this article and of coach McDermott, I think both things can simultaneously be true:

I think Tyler Dunne probably DOES have a bit of an axe to grind against the Bills, he DOES seem to come out with one McDermott hit piece per year, the article IS a bit of a hatchet job, it DOES lack objectivity (like any quotes from people who actually LIKE McDermott to balance things out) and DOES present a one-sided view, and some of the quotes DO sound far-fetched and/or like sour grapes from other people with axes of their own to grind.

AND

I think coach McDermott probably DOES micro-manage, that he IS a bit of a hypocrite with regard to taking accountability for mistakes, that a lot of what Dunne says IS true and fair and accurate, that a lot of the quotes from the sources are valid and legitimate, and that no matter how you paint it, 25 people is a lot to be able to find to say bad things about a coach.

On the one hand, I think some of Dunne's articles may be a bit heavy-handed and do have the smell of an agenda against McDermott. On the other hand, I think a lot of what Dunne says is correct and legitimate and real.

Personally, I feel the same way after reading the article that I did before I read it: I think it's time to turn the page from Sean McDermott as head coach of the Buffalo Bills. I don't think he's as bad as his worst detractors say, nor as good as his staunchest defenders insist. There is nuance. There are layers. At the end of the day, I remain unmoved. I'm ready for a fresh start for the Buffalo Bills, and I'd be willing to bet a lot of the players are, too.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

44 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said:

While this piece was definitely a hatchet job on Dunne's part (appears he didn't even attempt to seek out alternative viewpoints),

There’s alternative viewpoints in the article… 

[PBF81]

36 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

Again, I think if you poll former players and staff from any coaching regime that's been in place for, say, 3+ years without a championship you'd find enough material for an article in similar tone. 

 

Doesn't mean the content of the article is untrue or that it's substance should be ignored. But it's also a lot easier to publish this article now as we're sitting 6-6 than it would be if we had closed out a few more games and landed 9-3 instead, I think. 

 

I don't know about that.  Many coaches get a pass because their talent isn't all that.  Factor in that McD has one of the few premier QBs in the game today, and a historical first, the bar should be quite a bit higher than say it's been for Shanahan in San Fran with Garoppolo, Mullens, and Purdy, don't you think?  

 

Put Allen on the Niners and they're winning b2b Super Bowls.  As it is, Shanahan's taken them once and lost two conference CGs, with Garoppolo the Neil O'Donnell of the modern era.  

 

I haven't read anything stating that Shanahan's the single dimension holding up the team.  

 

People critizing Dunne should simply come out and accuse him of lying.  He's either honest and telling the truth, or not.  Based on my experiences Dunne's a very honest person.  Objective, which many don't like.  That shouldn't be on him however.  

 

 

Edited December 7, 2023 by PBF81

[Peter]

28 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I’m not sure how you can watch the offense over Dorsey’s final 5 games and say he didn’t deserve to be fired.  

 

 

If you really care (but I doubt you do), you can read my prior posts on the subject.

 

[Negan]

As Winston Zeddemore kind of said in Ghostbusters.

 

"If it gets McDermott fired, I'll believe in anything you say"

[HOUSE]

Vince Lombardi was an askhole and Bill Parcells a ditch head.

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[PBF81]

23 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Dorsey sucked.  Period.  End of story.  

 

LOL

 

I've read people here citing our point-differential recently, as a reason why we're good.  

Has anyone saying that stopped to look that that "differential" was generated in the first four games of the season.  +84

 

It's been +17 since.  -9 not considering our beat down of the hapless Jets.  

 

I'm hardly defending Dorsey, but we do not know what changed to turn a +21/game PD offense into one that can't even score more than it allows.  

 

"Complimentary Football" explains that for the astute.