Tyler Dunne story on McDermott - 3 parts, 25 interviews, one damning conclusion

[Scott7975]

It's funny when stuff happens people always wish they were a fly on the wall so they can hear about stuff that happens behind the scenes.  Someone makes an article with factual information from behind the scenes and people want to rip it to shreds and discredit ***** they didn't even read.

[julian]

7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

And even if it's not offensive, is what they accomplished so great or impressive? Especially given how lax security was back then?

 

It's like his other example of teamwork. He seems to not think these things through to a logical, motivating conclusion.

 

"Take the “Niagara Falls” speech. In December 2021, locals will recall the news of a woman deliberately driving into the waterway that spills into the falls. She drifted down the Niagara River before her vehicle was lodged against a rock about 50 yards from the brink. McDermott studied up and pieced together a speech. The coach explained how members from the Coast Guard did everything they could to save the woman. He built up the drama. Players held on tight for an inspiring apex, and… nothing. He said the woman died. End of story. The complete absence of a point had some players biting their tongues, trying their hardest not to laugh."

lol yeah, that’s crazy and maybe he’s really not that intelligent and certainly not great at coming up with inspirational stories for a group of men.

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Ok.

 

Reporters should only report complimentary descriptions from sources.

 

Is that what is meant by "complimentary football"?

[boyst]

32 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Damn, sorry about your loss Boyst, beautiful white cattle! They ever get those B word?

not yet. the deputy is still working on it. i am also going door to door when i can on the weekends

 

the breed is called charolais

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, julian said:

lol yeah, that’s crazy and maybe he’s really not that intelligent and certainly not great at coming up with inspirational stories for a group of men.

 

Sums up why we always come up just short in the end. All of his speeches end with the hero dying and the team work failing. What a twist!

 

Who knew the M in M. Night Syamalan stood for McDermott!

[BuffaloRebound]

9 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I don't care if you read the article or not.  What I care about is people posting false information.  You cannot speak on an article that you didn't read and spout stuff out there that is factually incorrect.  There were more than just 2 people and it doesn't matter that some remain anonymous.  They remain anonymous because if could affect their jobs.  People have a right to do so.  Its very common in the media.

 

and yes, there were a bunch of positive comments.  Thats kinda the point.  People think its entirely one sided when it isn't.  Not everything said was bad.  You want to make up ***** about his article that you didn't even read and believe what you want to believe just because you are a McD homer.

I posted nothing false.  I’m trying to get to the facts.  25 sources… 2 were guys who put their names to what they said and admired mcdermott.  There were other positive comments.  ‘Former player’, ‘ex assistant’, ‘friend’… this type of reporting means the same 3-4 people could be the source for all the negative comments.  So they want to remain anonymous to protect their jobs but have no problem hiding behind anonymity to potentially harm mcdermott’s job.  Sorry, they are cowards.  

[nedboy7]

McD is a great coach for getting your team out of the gutter.  He did that here.  He can go to the Redskins next.  We need someone to take us from a good team to the top team. 

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

In part 3 confirms exactly what many of us think McD has done with Josh Allen.  He's made him a shell of himself and made him second-guess everything and frankly has no idea who he has.

 

Yep complementary football at it's finest.

 

Funny some of us have been saying this for a long time.

[DrBob806]

41 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

 

I would have went with Angels in the Outfield. 

"Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor?"🤣

[RichRiderBills]

45 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

 

Dunne included it in the article with context and exact words.

 

Why is your problem with Dunne and not the 20 reporters paraphrasing his reporting incorrectly? 

 

Nope he did not. Here's the citation. Definitely paraphrases most of the substance . He used some exact quotes that I highly doubt are exact quotes. 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/during-2021-team-meeting-sean-mcdermott-cited-9-11-attacks-as-example-of-teamwork

[stuvian]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Well then the Bills legacy will be watching McB continue to emphasize Defense while ignoring additional help for Josh.  Expect more years of excruciating close loses.

He should only be extended if he's winning which is what any competent coach with a franchise QB would do

[Scott7975]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I posted nothing false.  I’m trying to get to the facts.  25 sources… 2 were guys who put their names to what they said and admired mcdermott.  There were other positive comments.  ‘Former player’, ‘ex assistant’, ‘friend’… this type of reporting means the same 3-4 people could be the source for all the negative comments.  So they want to remain anonymous to protect their jobs but have no problem hiding behind anonymity to potentially harm mcdermott’s job.  Sorry, they are cowards.  

 

Yes you have.  You are posting misinformation even in this very post.  You are running around trying to discredit an article that you haven't even read.  "trying to get to the facts"... you can't get to facts nor are you trying to get to facts if you can't read the article lol.

Edited December 8, 2023 by Scott7975

[wettlaufer]

32 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said:

Citing anonymous disgruntled prior coaches and players who didn't say anything when they could have had have their names attached to it. And something that happened four years ago that was twisted to make it seem worse then it was. 

There were a number of complimentary comments from former players. I'm sure you didn't read the whole thing.

 

It's objectively good journalism. It's thorough, it reflects the thinking of a wide swath (25) of people with firsthand testimony to offer about McD. Yeah, people comment off the record because it would hurt them to say these things on the record. If McD didn't say or do any of these things, there would be nothing to dig up.

 

Let's stop harping on McD's dumb comment about 9/11, which was not twisted in its reporting. There were many indictments on what he can't close games and why people aren't performing up to their potential in this organization and it all leads back to McD.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

7 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

Nope he did not. Here's the citation. Definitely paraphrases most of the substance . He used some exact quotes that I highly doubt are exact quotes. 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/during-2021-team-meeting-sean-mcdermott-cited-9-11-attacks-as-example-of-teamwork

That citation is missing additional paragraphs from Dunne’s article on the topic.

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

If this from Part 3 doesn't piss you off about McD.....  Then I guess nothing will.....

 

There are two distinct versions of Josh Allen this 2023 season. One is fun. One takes off on the run — “The crowd loves it!” Al Michaels professes — and holds the football over the goal line while staring down a Tampa Bay Buccaneers cornerback. All at full speed.

This version gets a Cincinnati Bengals safety to leave his feet with a pump fake, points, laughs and runs in for a TD. Flag ‘n fine, be damned. Meanwhile, Sean McDermott, spits on the turf and purses his lips. Fifteen yards lost on a kickoff likely means more to the Buffalo Bills head coach than any momentum gained by his backyard quarterback rediscovering himself.

This version, at rain-slopped Philadelphia, rams through Reed Blankenship at the goal line, chucks the ball against the backstop and — flanked by teammates — swaggers right into the teeth of those trash-talking Eagles fans as if welcoming a dark-alley fight. The TD launched a tour de force for the quarterback: 420 total yards, four touchdowns. 

“No. 17 is just a different bird,” said one friend and former pro teammate. “He’s wired different. He’s not like most of these quarterbacks. He wants to make dick jokes and run into people.”

If Buffalonians could create the quarterback they’ve always desired in a lab, it’s exactly this.

 

But then, there’s the other Allen. The pale, stupefied, knockoff version who trudges to the sideline after an interception vs. Denver with McDermott screaming in his ear.

Unlike his boss, Allen does not come remotely close to assigning blame. Doesn’t embarrass receivers on national TV. Doesn’t snipe into earholes on the sidelines. Doesn’t kindly remind the public what McDermott said back in March when, in truth, it’s fully within his rights to alert your attention to these trainwreck comments. When, in reality, this is everything a former Bills assistant coach meant when he said this team is forced to “overcome the head coach.” Everything a former teammate meant by McDermott serving as a drop of “poison.”

A smart coach does everything in his power to accentuate the first version of Allen.

Realize you’ve been gifted a Marvel character at the most important position in sports and let him fly.

Then, there’s McDermott sitting down with NFL Network last March. He made it abundantly clear that Allen needed to siphon these sorts of plays out of his game. 

“I don’t think that that’s a healthy way to play quarterback in this league,” said McDermott, in a video posted by the team. “It’s really undefeated that things are going to happen when you play that style, that brand of football. So, we’ve got to get that adjusted. It’s never going to go completely away but it has to get to where it’s workable. I don’t want to take his personality away from him as far as that goes. His signature. But there needs to be an adjustment in that style of play.”

Manually warping the “style” of your most valuable commodity should’ve slotted in as the 2,789th item on the Bills’ offseason agenda. But this was no surprise.

Edited December 8, 2023 by Billsfan1972

[wettlaufer]

19 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I posted nothing false.  I’m trying to get to the facts.  25 sources… 2 were guys who put their names to what they said and admired mcdermott.  There were other positive comments.  ‘Former player’, ‘ex assistant’, ‘friend’… this type of reporting means the same 3-4 people could be the source for all the negative comments.  So they want to remain anonymous to protect their jobs but have no problem hiding behind anonymity to potentially harm mcdermott’s job.  Sorry, they are cowards.  

Have you ever been quoted in the media? Ever been mis-quoted? Do you write for publication? Oh, no? OK, you seem like a really credible person to comment on how people in the public eye interact with the media. There is nothing inherently wrong with quoting anonymous sources and you ascribe without any basis malintent / ethical dereliction on the part of Dunne.

[theRalph]

On 12/7/2023 at 10:42 AM, Arkady Renko said:

We say that but he brings up Brady and lets Brady have Allen run more. 

You're assuming McDermott was of the same mind in both instances of hiring an OC. Not so. He was arrogant when hiring Dorsey. He was desperate when hiring Brady. 

[eme123]

35 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I don't care if you read the article or not.  What I care about is people posting false information.  You cannot speak on an article that you didn't read and spout stuff out there that is factually incorrect.  There were more than just 2 people and it doesn't matter that some remain anonymous.  They remain anonymous because if could affect their jobs.  People have a right to do so.  Its very common in the media.

 

and yes, there were a bunch of positive comments.  Thats kinda the point.  People think its entirely one sided when it isn't.  Not everything said was bad.  You want to make up ***** about his article that you didn't even read and believe what you want to believe just because you are a McD homer.

You are 100% correct in that i did not read the article. Thank you for paying some blowhard $8 to enlighten me. Regardless it sounds like 20 some odd anonymous sources?

 

The fact that a source is anonymous DOES matter!! The thoughts of someone we cant even confirm exsists is hearsay and conjecture at best. 

[hondo in seattle]

I wonder why Dunne didn't interview Micah Hyde.

 

 

 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

What people who worked closely with McDermott think of his coaching and leadership qualities is absolutely news. If you don't think so then don't read it.

 

"Attacking his character". Cry me a river. You could claim any criticism of your job performance as having your character attacked if you really wanted to.

 

Part of being a coach is being a leader. If you're not allowed to describe the stupid things McDermott has done to make people question his leadership abilities because it might *gasp* "attack his character" then how do you suggest people evaluate his leadership skills?

 

1 hour ago, Nephilim17 said:

I don't get all these questions of "who is Tyler Dunne?"
 

McD already admitted to the 9/11 speech and thus far hasn't denied other allegations like his displeaure with the WRs buying Chad Hall a truck as a gift.

 

McD either did and said these things or he didn't. If that latter, he should get a good lawyer and litigate.

 

If he did do them, the messenger doesn't matter. 

 

So there's a difference between stating what happened, and criticizing decisions, and "attacking someone's character".  And Dunne's article, what has been shared or I can access, goes far beyond what McDermott said or did.

 

Let's look at the truck story that was just posted above:

"Chad Hall played wide receiver, was much closer in age and — clearly — has a gift for managing egos in his room. The Bills receivers loved Hall so much that they bought him a truck for Christmas in 2020. An objectively touching moment that Isaiah McKenzie shared via Instagram. In the dark, in the rain, you see Stefon Diggs and Andre Roberts lead Hall out to the driveway with a beanie over the coach’s eyes. On the audio, Cole Beasley says that this was originally Gabe Davis’ idea and that they all chipped in. It's impossible for any sane person to watch this heartwarming video and not feel happy for Hall."

 

OK, stop right here.  When I watched that video, not long after the Titans debacle where they got together outside the facility to practice and Denver being forced to play without a QB - my primary emotion was TERROR.  I thought the league would see that video and come down on the Bills like a load of bricks.  Then I switched to hoping it would be too bad PR for the league to object to a feel-good moment.  Question my sanity if you will. ( Pretty sure I got receipts of this too)

 

"Obviously, this coach had made a profound impact on those receivers’ lives — why anyone gets into coaching in the first place.

But Sean McDermott? Oh boy. Sean McDermott was not pleased. One source described this as “a dark day at One Bills Drive.” Not only was the head coach pissed that players were gathering as a group during Covid, McDermott told his staff he pays them to be a coach. Not a friend. Other coaches could not believe his cold response. They had never seen anything like this in their careers."

 

So far we're pretty much at stating what happened and criticizing decisions.  The receivers bought Hall a truck, and McDermott was critical because 1) the players were gathering as a group at Hall's house, during Covid - contrary to league rules that other teams had been penalized for 2) he stated that he pays his staff to be a coach, not a friend (and by inference, felt that inspiring the receivers to purchase a truck for him indicated Hall was too much of a friend to the WR group)

 

But  here: "He’s insecure. He wants the relationship that he can’t have with the players. Because he’s not physically, mentally, or socially able to.”

 

Can we agree that's going beyond "what happened" or even criticizing McDermott's response as insensitive to Hall and to his assistants, into  an attack on his personality and character - "he's physically, mentally, or socially" unable to have a relationship with the players?

 

Again, the fact is that it's a fine line, when you're supervising someone - you want to be friendly and show that you care about them as people, but at the same time, if you get too far into being friends, you make it difficult to get on their case if you need to.  How can you bust the chops of a WR for making sloppy cuts, not playing physical against press man, or not using proper hands technique when catching, when he bought you a ***** TRUCK for Christmas?  In theory you can, but in practice, will you?

Edited December 8, 2023 by Beck Water