Tyler Dunne story on McDermott - 3 parts, 25 interviews, one damning conclusion

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Does this really paint any different of a picture for McDermott than the Warren Sharp article a couple weeks back? 

100% the Sharp article was purely an opinion piece. I don't believe this is the same thing. 

[PBF81]

Just now, davefan66 said:

I have tried to be a McD supporter for all he’s done.  Playoffs, changing the “culture”, many wins.  But clearly, he has not had what is needed to push us over the top.

 

I must say, if he truly is the guy portrayed in this article, send him packing right now.  Appreciate what he did to start our ascent, but we need someone who can truly lead this team.  Not waste one of the most physically gifted QB’s to ever play the game.

 

Quite possibly the players are exhausted with him.

 

If for no other reason, I have no idea how you keep a head coach on with both the demonstrated as well as articulated (by himself) disconnect with the Allen and the Offense, which is the core strength of the team.  

 

If we were the Niners or Ravens, relying our D, maybe, but this gap in competence should be the elephant in the kitchen sink.  

 

 

[NoSaint]

6 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

So how do you explain the massive difference in scoring production from our first four weeks and since then?  

 

It can't be the competition, the caliber of defenses in Dorsey's next 6 games before being fired was poor, not a team currently ranked in the top-10, four of six ranked 20th or worse.  The "blueprint" as you put it was out from last season, not new for this one.  

 

What's your explanation?  

 

 

offense on tape and insufficient adjustments until late in the game when the plan goes out the window?

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

 

 

There have been many times where Josh Allen himself has given some credit to McDermott for his development. Along with giving Dorsey, Daboll, Culley and Jordan Palmer credit as well.  And while McD likely hasn't had as direct of a hand and the others, he did have the foresight to bring those guys in (aside from Palmer, obviously). If we are going to slam him for bringing in bad players and coaches early in his tenure, only fair to give credit for bringing the right guys in on the offensive side later, no?

 

Right now the picture is painted that everything bad that has happened is 100% on McDermott and 100% of anything positive is on someone else. That's simply not true. 

Josh would give you credit for his development if you were a coach of the Bills. He's essentially all inclusive in his praise. It's who he is as a person. 

[beer can shower]

Reading here and other Bills message boards, that if McDermott doesn't make the playoffs he should be fired.
Does the Bills getting in the playoffs absolve McDermott of all his faults, as discussed so widely here and there?

So someone throws a hail mary and it gets the Bills in the playoffs then that makes McDermott worthy of continuing to be the Coach.

And would that hail mary be thrown by McDermott?

14 out of 32 Teams make the playoffs.  Is that the bar that "Football Fans here" want for the Bills coach,  JUST make the playoffs?

 

And why when a writer in Buffalo is critical of the Bills, they are chastised so much.

Every opinion can't be like GR ( Home of the Bills)(Paid by the Bills)?

 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

But now he’s magically staying out of Joe Brady’s offense? 

That suggests to me that Bean and/or Pegula issued him instructions to do just that. 

 

 

[Bills!Win!]

1 minute ago, beer can shower said:

Reading here and other Bills message boards, that if McDermott doesn't make the playoffs he should be fired.
Does the Bills getting in the playoffs absolve McDermott of all his faults, as discussed so widely here and there?

So someone throws a hail mary and it gets the Bills in the playoffs then that makes McDermott worthy of continuing to be the Coach.

And would that hail mary be thrown by McDermott?

14 out of 32 Teams make the playoffs.  Is that the bar that "Football Fans here" want for the Bills coach,  JUST make the playoffs?

 

And why when a writer in Buffalo is critical of the Bills, they are chastised so much.

Every opinion can't be like GR ( Home of the Bills)(Paid by the Bills)?

 

 McDermott gets credit for Andy Dalton to Tyler Boyd

[yall]

Can't wait to tune into WGR today.

 

Their usual defense of the organization will be in direct opposition to their knee jerk support of anyone who is a journalist. 

 

The cognitive dissonance should be delicious.

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[TheFunPolice]

we know for sure that:

 

1. He never really answered for 13 seconds

2. His defense routinely comes up short in the playoffs

3. There was/is some serious issue with Diggs (to the point where his brother is even tweeting about getting him out of Buffalo)

4. Mike Florio makes his cryptic little Jenga tower references just about every time the Bills have a tough day at the office

5. Leslie Frazier abruptly decides to take a year off to "recharge" while attending HC workshops and giving interviews. But he's still with the team, unless he's not. Allegedly. No real answer as to what is going on there. 

 

Lots of weird stuff goes on with the Bills.

 

IF this stuff is true then it is well-known around the league and just waiting to all come spilling out once the wheels come completely off. The Bills are a top NFL team in terms of interest now, so switch "Mike McCarthy" or "Andy Reid" or "Mike McDaniel" or "John Harbuagh" or "Kyle Shanahan" for McDermott and ask yourself what your reaction, not to mention the NFL media reaction, would be. 

 

Would it be denial? Would you rush to John Harbuagh or Mike McCarthy's defense, for example? 

 

Or would you laugh and enjoy the chaos on a rival team? Because IF this stuff is real then that's exactly what is going to happen to McDermott. He and the Bills will be getting dunked on nationwide because the sports media LOVES this sort of stuff.

 

IF there are 25 source who participated in this piece then people will be coming out of the woodwork to take their shots. 

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[Big Turk]

I am sure some of it is valid, but surprising that 25 people have an issue with him over 10+ years coaching?  No surprise there.  How many people do you think they would have to eviscerate Belichick? Carroll?  100? 200? 500? 1000?

 

Everyone who ever was a HC is going to have people that hate him, players who think they didn't get a fair shake, etc...

 

I'm not saying they are necessarily wrong, just saying that this is not something that is limited to McDermott...every HC in the league has that.

[I Am The Liquor]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/during-2021-team-meeting-sean-mcdermott-cited-9-11-attacks-as-example-of-teamwork

 

“At St. John Fisher College in Pittsford, N.Y., McDermott’s morning address began innocently enough,” Dunne writes. “He told the entire team they needed to come together. But then, sources on-hand say, he used a strange model: the terrorists on Sept. 11, 2001. He cited the hijackers as a group of people who were all able to get on the same page to orchestrate attacks to perfection. One by one, McDermott started asking specific players in the room questions. ‘What tactics do you think they used to come together?’ A young player tried to methodically answer. ‘What do you think their biggest obstacle was?’ A veteran answered, ‘TSA,’ which mercifully lightened the mood.”

 

This is absolutely bat sh*t crazy if true lmfao.

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

That suggests to me that Bean and/or Pegula issued him instructions to do just that. 

 

 

 

Unlikely.

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Daboll or Chad Hall is my guess

 

Possibly Farwell

Most likely Dabol, jmo.

[Peter]

27 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I don’t care about your posts

 

God bless.

[JoeF]

2 minutes ago, I Am The Liquor said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/during-2021-team-meeting-sean-mcdermott-cited-9-11-attacks-as-example-of-teamwork

 

“At St. John Fisher College in Pittsford, N.Y., McDermott’s morning address began innocently enough,” Dunne writes. “He told the entire team they needed to come together. But then, sources on-hand say, he used a strange model: the terrorists on Sept. 11, 2001. He cited the hijackers as a group of people who were all able to get on the same page to orchestrate attacks to perfection. One by one, McDermott started asking specific players in the room questions. ‘What tactics do you think they used to come together?’ A young player tried to methodically answer. ‘What do you think their biggest obstacle was?’ A veteran answered, ‘TSA,’ which mercifully lightened the mood.”

 

This is absolutely bat sh*t crazy if true lmfao.

Making it really difficult for me not to spend this $8....guess I have to skip my venti frappuccino with a shot of bourbon and a side of Genny cream ale this afternoon...

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:

Vince Lombardi was an askhole and Bill Parcells a ditch head.

GOOGLE IT

Yes but they were also both brilliant football coaches who were very innovative for their times.  They also had an uncanny ability to spot NFL talent and develop it.  How does McD stack up here?

 

 

[PBF81]

13 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

I must say, if he truly is the guy portrayed in this article, send him packing right now.  Appreciate what he did to start our ascent, but we need someone who can truly lead this team.  Not waste one of the most physically gifted QB’s to ever play the game.

 

Quite possibly the players are exhausted with him.

 

BTW, much of what is in Dunne's piece has been obvious for a while.  

 

But as you say, if he truly is the guy portrayed in this article, even half of it as someone else said, this situation is going to go from bad to worse fairly quickly.  

 

Once stuff like this gets out and people, no doubt including players and coaches, talk, it's just a matter of time.  As has been my contention all along, McD's slowly hanging himself after setting the scenario for it by giving himself all the rope he needs.  You didn't do it.  I didn't do it.  We're irrelevant in the scenario.  He's doing it to himself.  

 

When you preach character, and things like "The Process" but never define it, or "Complimentary Football" but never define it, etc., and things go south because of your own hypocrisy, people notice, whether they be players, coaches, fans, media, etc.  

 

I mean keeping Cook off the field for performance reasons, but applauding and fully standing behind Dorsey after mega failure, ... that sends a message whether he wants it to be sent or not.  

 

The players will run through a wall for Allen, would they do it for McD?  

 

Maybe that's what Diggs' beef was all about.  

 

One of the biggest things being mentioned in this thread, although not taking up much space, is that McD's assistants are all reliant upon him for their jobs, so they're unlikely to speak out.  If they were all that great, then they wouldn't have trouble finding jobs elsewhere.  It's quite possible that they're not, which is why they're so supportive.  

 

We don't have a single coach on this staff that has distinguished himself in any significant way in the NFL.  Not one.  

 

That comes back to McD.  

 

 

[MJS]

10 minutes ago, I Am The Liquor said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/during-2021-team-meeting-sean-mcdermott-cited-9-11-attacks-as-example-of-teamwork

 

“At St. John Fisher College in Pittsford, N.Y., McDermott’s morning address began innocently enough,” Dunne writes. “He told the entire team they needed to come together. But then, sources on-hand say, he used a strange model: the terrorists on Sept. 11, 2001. He cited the hijackers as a group of people who were all able to get on the same page to orchestrate attacks to perfection. One by one, McDermott started asking specific players in the room questions. ‘What tactics do you think they used to come together?’ A young player tried to methodically answer. ‘What do you think their biggest obstacle was?’ A veteran answered, ‘TSA,’ which mercifully lightened the mood.”

 

This is absolutely bat sh*t crazy if true lmfao.

You can literally say anything and just say "sources claim".

[PBF81]

21 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

offense on tape and insufficient adjustments until late in the game when the plan goes out the window?

 

To the tune of 30 PPG or so?  

 

 

[TheFunPolice]

4 minutes ago, I Am The Liquor said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/during-2021-team-meeting-sean-mcdermott-cited-9-11-attacks-as-example-of-teamwork

 

“At St. John Fisher College in Pittsford, N.Y., McDermott’s morning address began innocently enough,” Dunne writes. “He told the entire team they needed to come together. But then, sources on-hand say, he used a strange model: the terrorists on Sept. 11, 2001. He cited the hijackers as a group of people who were all able to get on the same page to orchestrate attacks to perfection. One by one, McDermott started asking specific players in the room questions. ‘What tactics do you think they used to come together?’ A young player tried to methodically answer. ‘What do you think their biggest obstacle was?’ A veteran answered, ‘TSA,’ which mercifully lightened the mood.”

 

This is absolutely bat sh*t crazy if true lmfao.

 

These are pretty specific and brutal takedowns.

 

People say "I'll bet guys hate Belichick too." Belichick is a grumpy jerk who demands you have no fun and do everything his way. Everyone knows it. That's the "dirt" on him. But he won a lot so players put up with it. Not exactly breaking news to publish an article with the headline "Former Players Say Belichick is a Grumpy Jerk in Practice Who Doesn't Like Fun, Smiles, or Kittens."

 

That's different from being upset because you were let go. That's the business. you just don't see this type of stuff with other coaches. 

 

For example, there are MANY pretty damning stories from people who know about what the Colts building was like under Frank Reich: guys falling asleep in meetings, strolling in late, being on their phones, ignoring the coaches... But people genuinely like the guy as a person (just obviously not as a HC) and he treats people well, so there's no motivation to bury the guy publicly. Jut fire him and move on. No need to humiliate the man in public. 

 

If this McDermott stuff is true. 1st, this feels like a coordinated hit in the media. 2nd, it is only going to get worse, especially if the wheels fall off this season. There are apparently many people who want to destroy McDermott's reputation.